Just got through reading about the creation of Eden on the Internet. There are several indications that Eden was someplace other than Earth. Yes, I know where the Tigris and Euphrates are located. Several sites said that Adam and Eve were created outside of Eden and placed there. Does anyone know anything about their creation being somewhere other than Earth?
Where did Adam come from?
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Some rabbi's say that God created the world in His mind first, and then based creation on that blueprint. Eden is often likened to Paradise, which is "heaven on earth". It might be that God chose humanity to represent Him, and that Eden was the place where the first man came to know God personally. The garden of Eden represents "life with God".
One clue is Gen.2:10 "A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters", the Tigris and the Euphrate being two of those flowing out from it. We see this river again in Rev.22. where it seems to represent heaven.
ConsequentAtheist
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M*W: "The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and THERE HE PUT THE MAN he had formed." (Gen. 2:7,8)
Where do you think he created Adam? It doesn't sound like he was created IN THE GARDEN.
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M*W: "The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and THERE HE PUT THE MAN he had formed." (Gen. 2:7,8)
Where do you think he created Adam? It doesn't sound like he was created IN THE GARDEN.
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M*W: I meant to post a message to you, but I inadvertently replied to myself. If God created Adam and PLACED him in the Garden of Eden, where was he actually created? Here's another post cited:
Parashat B'reishit
The Torah: A Modern Commentary, W. Gunther Plaut, ed.,pp.18-53
Genesis 2:4-24 tells a second creation story, different than the first. When God made heaven and earth, God formed man, Adam, from the dust of the ground and blew the breath of life into his nostrils, enabling Adam to become a living being. God planted the garden of Eden with every tree that is beautiful to look at and which bears good food to eat and PLACED (my caps) Adam in the garden.
Shabbat Family Table Talk Copyright © 2002, Union of American Hebrew Congregations
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M*W: I meant to post a message to you, but I inadvertently replied to myself. If God created Adam and PLACED him in the Garden of Eden, where was he actually created? Here's another post cited:
Parashat B'reishit
The Torah: A Modern Commentary, W. Gunther Plaut, ed.,pp.18-53
Genesis 2:4-24 tells a second creation story, different than the first. When God made heaven and earth, God formed man, Adam, from the dust of the ground and blew the breath of life into his nostrils, enabling Adam to become a living being. God planted the garden of Eden with every tree that is beautiful to look at and which bears good food to eat and PLACED (my caps) Adam in the garden.
Shabbat Family Table Talk Copyright © 2002, Union of American Hebrew Congregations
ConsequentAtheist
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And, if it wasn't "IN THE GARDEN", it could only be "someplace other than Earth". How brilliant!
The Genesis creation story was taken from earlier mythologies, mainly Babylonian and Hindu, and priestly perversions have obscured the original meanings.
But as Jenyar already hinted at, all evolutionary forms were first created in mental, astral and etheric matter as archetypes (i.e., involutionary forms) before they appeared in their physical, evolutionary forms. This is what is meant in Genesis 2:4-5:
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
The Garden was planted "eastward in Eden," according to Genesis 2:8, and was therefore just a small part of whatever this larger Eden was. The East represents "involution," while the West represents "evolution."
Gen 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
Gen 2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
Gen 2:12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
Pison means "increase," and Havilah means "circle." Here gold seems to be a figurative reference to brilliance and splendor, since it would have had no economic value at this time. "Bdellium" is gum resin, but its root word is apparently "badal," which means "to divide," "to set apart," "to sever" or "to separate." The word that was translated to "onyx" was originally "shoham," which can actually be any number of precious stones, but it comes from an unused root which means "to blanch" (to make white).
Gen 2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
Gihon means "bursting forth;" "Ethiopia" appears to symbolize the Greek Aethiopia, which is a mythic land of darkness and mystery.
Gen 2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
"Hiddekel" means "rapid;" "Assyria" means "step," and its root word, "ashar" means "to advance" or "to make progress;" and "Euphrates" means "fruitfulness."
So you get kind of a feel for the divine creation process that began with ideation in the ethereal plane (Eden), and eventually came to fruition in the physical plane (Earth).