What others say about us and what to do with it

greenberg

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This is another interdisciplinary thread, between philosophy and psychology.

It has been said elsewhere, but without coming to practical findings:


greenberg said:
It is interesting how neither positive nor negative external definitions are appealing or fitting.

So, since we are bombarded consistantly with implicit and explicit definitions of who and what we are and aren't (and participate in this ourselves) - what is the best practical way of dealing with these (distorted) reflections of ourselves?

Can we use it to notice things we did not before? And how?
Or is it simply noise to learn how to disregard?


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What say you?
 
I really don't give a shit about what others think about me. I have to live with myself and that's all I answer to, ME!
 
I really don't give a shit about what others think about me. I have to live with myself and that's all I answer to, ME!

i'd have to agree, i did care for a long time, but now i don't they can g and take a short walk of a long pier if they don't like me!
 
This is another interdisciplinary thread, between philosophy and psychology.

It has been said elsewhere, but without coming to practical findings:





What say you?

Has it occured to you that some of the things said to you may be true ? The fact that they don't match your self image doesn't inecessarily invalidate them.
 
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Has it occured to you that some of the things said to you may be true ? The fact that they don't match your self image doesn't inecessarily invalidate them.

I certainly did. It was what I meant by this
Can we use it to notice things we did not before? And how?
which is part of what Greenberg quoted so I assume he read it and meant for this issue to be part of the discussion.
 
What say you?
I have often found it hard to separate out the qualities of the specific interaction from what the truth is 'inside' it. If the metacommunication is harsh or judgemental I have often wanted to reject, out of hand, the content of the message, even stripped of intensifiers (like 'unbelievably') and the intent of the one sending the message or offering a reflection. It seemed like an inevitably baby and bathwater kind of thing. More recently I have found that I can find the nugget in there by acknowledging all of my reactions to the message.

This has come up at work recently where I have a person who is very judgemental and seems to be angry about something having nothing to do with me - could be men. I have been receiving training from this person and, of course, they have lots of useful information about the tasks and my limitations, poor approaches, etc.

I am not in any ideal state about this kind of thing, but I notice an improvement in myself. The fact is she is right, at least sometimes, about poor 'attitudes' or learning styles on my part in relation to a couple of very complicated tasks. She is not a good teacher and she is kind of mean. So I allow myself the emotional reaction - mostly on my own - to the form of her interaction with me. In other words I vent a lot of anger and also some fears since she (and I) seems to have some judgements about even my potential competence. After this I am more ready to look at the content of her messages. Selfishly and with great lust and enjoyment I have used quite a number of her suggestions. Whereas in the past I would have shut out the whole thing because of how harsh she is.

I also can see that her harshness matches my own internal harshness toward myself in this case. So I get to double learn. I learn the specifics that help me with the tasks AND I learn that I do not like this kind of harshness even when it is me aiming it at myself.

An example of the latter. I often want to explain my thinking to her. The thinking that led me to make a bad decision. She cuts this off, and rudely. I do this, not to justify myself - I have recognized the mistake - but so she can show me where in my thinking I made the error. This is how I often learn. Not always, but often. Like a whip she cuts that off and just tells me again what I am supposed to do. The thing is the tasks are so complicated that it would be useful for me to understand more about the thinking in general so that in other similar but not the same situations I do not make mistakes when the new rule she is giving me does not fit.

In other words I want to make a bridge from my old, less effective state, to the newer effective one, by including my past errors in processing in the discussion. She just wants to tell me the right answer.

I do this to myself.

Interestingly this relates to our discussion, I think, in another thread, where one needs to meet people where they are as part of a process of change - your Dad, homosexual marriage. If you just, basically, shut them up, you are less likely to get actual change. At best you will get a surface change which will break down under stress.

So right now in relation to this trainer I privately express my full range of emotional reactions to her manner and choices. Then I can rego through her suggestions and find what is useful. Often a lot.

So I can accept the content without accepting the form. The weight of the other person being 'right' is lighter or has no weight at all.
 
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I really don't give a shit about what others think about me. I have to live with myself and that's all I answer to, ME!

I care what others think about me. If its just one person, not so much. But if a bunch feel that way, then I need to take a closer look at how I come across or how I treat others. I'm a role model for my kids and I want to be a good one. Not a bitchy one.
I have a friend who used to get called bitch quite often and she embraced it. :shrug:
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I care what others think about me. If its just one person, not so much. But if a bunch feel that way, then I need to take a closer look at how I come across or how I treat others. I'm a role model for my kids and I want to be a good one. Not a bitchy one.
I have a friend who used to get called bitch quite often and she embraced it.

I'd rather be called a bitch by others than to succumb to their wants and desires if only to placate them. ;)
 
Does that make you a Unitarian ? Can I join, it sounds like fun.

No, it makes me who I'am and what I stand for. I'm always willing to listen and try to see anothers point of view but if it conflicts with what I already believe then I will reject it and stand firm to my way of being no matter what others may say.
 
I'd rather be called a bitch by others than to succumb to their wants and desires if only to placate them. ;)

But how many others need to call you a bitch before you realize you are not a very nice person. How can a person not notice they don't have any friends?
 
But how many others need to call you a bitch before you realize you are not a very nice person. How can a person not notice they don't have any friends?

It really doesn't matter that much about friends. They usually will stab you in the back the first chance they get. If you go tthrough your life and end up with two good friends you'll be a very lucky person. Most friends are only friends until you get into a problem, you'll see one day.
 
No, it makes me who I'am and what I stand for. I'm always willing to listen and try to see anothers point of view but if it conflicts with what I already believe then I will reject it and stand firm to my way of being no matter what others may say.

Basically you are a deeply religious person; beyond reason
 
It really doesn't matter that much about friends. They usually will stab you in the back the first chance they get. If you go tthrough your life and end up with two good friends you'll be a very lucky person. Most friends are only friends until you get into a problem, you'll see one day.

I agree!!
 
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