What makes us human..

Fafnir665

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What makes us human?

The three posts below this one are officially retarded, thoughtless, and complete bullshit, and should be deleted by the owners, if they have any respect for other human beings. This is suppsoed to be a serious discussion, and bullshit won't be tolerated.

The original question was "What makes us human?" As you can see from the various responses :

Originally posted by Xenu
No.
Originally posted by sargentlard
2 eyes, a nose, 2 ears, 2 legs, 2 arms, 10 fingers, 10 toes, billion nephrons, 2 lungs....and other stuff.
Originally posted by sparkle
First of all: to create a common basis for understanding, ;).
So which aspect do you mean? Adjective? Noun?

It wasn't taken seriously at all. Either the people were too stupid to get the point of the question, or they decided to be assholes and respond with a small minded joke. Thank you, you just prove nico's point, though expanded to cover the whole of humanity. Don't you feel special?

To rephrase the question, in hopes that it will avoid responses such as though, what makes a human, human? What made your core being choose, assuming it had a choice, to become human, rather then a simpler life form?
 
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First of all: to create a common basis for understanding, ;).
So which aspect do you mean? Adjective? Noun?
Pronunciation: (hyOO'mun or, often, yOO'-), [key] —adj.
1. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or having the nature of people: human frailty.
2. consisting of people: the human race.
3. of or pertaining to the social aspect of people: human affairs.
4. sympathetic; humane: a warmly human understanding.

—n.
a human being
 
Hey faf what do you want, humanity is as retarded and egotistical as ever clearly reflected in this post.
 
Yes.

As 3 billion (or so) base pairs of adenine, guanine, cytosine, and thymine arranged to link together a double helix shaped molecule consisting of a repeating ...sugar-phosphate-sugar-phosphate... polymer.

Otherwise known as DNA.

The DNA of the only remaining human species (homo sapiens, us) evolved over millions of years through natural selection to allow our brains to have independent awareness. We are self-aware, but also aware that we are self-aware.

In all likelihood, there is nothing magical about humans, such as the possession of a soul, but being the only conscoiusly, self-aware species that we know of, we naturally assign more importance to ourselves than all other species on the planet. Certainly, other species would have the same outlook should they develop self-awareness to the human level.

In short, what defines us is us. Often that definition is self-centered, but who's going to prove us wrong? Ants make up about 10-15% of the Earth's biomass, but their vote doesn't count... they don't have an advanced culture, language, technology, or self-awareness (that they are willing to assert anyway) and, hence, no vote.
 
i'll try, fafnir. but don't hold me accountable. ;)

What makes us human? SkinWalker gave an accurate explanation. But to go much further, we are separated from other lifeforums because we are: bipedal, brain size and our ability to communicate with speech and writing. We are mostly tribal creatures, which doesn't set us apart from animals. The oldest huminoid fossil;human & part apelike, is 4.3 million years old. the oldest fossil of the fully erect walking homo genus is 1.5 million. Homo sapien species, we have only been round a 100,000, maybe 200,000 at the most (oldest fossil is 100,000). so as far as is relevant for discussion (i would not consider communal or tribal habits of other huminoids relevant), we have only been living in tribes approx. 90,000 years. Dinosaurs were here longer. Obviously, that died out, still fascinates me as to how their extinction came about; perhaps small brain size or the theory of meteor explosions.
In evolutionary thought, humans evolved rapidly, through the change in allele frequency. A criteria for evolution is a closed population. This is not possible anymore. It is now global community where anyone anywhere we can have sex with any race and produce children like mad. Therefore we cant evolve anymore. There would have to be a huge selecting factor to cause evolution of humans to take place on a global scale.

Natural selection doesn't have an agenda like we humans seem to think or does it? Whatever means more reproduction is what is selected for. Animals are in communal groups. These make them more successfully produce. Communal groups evolved. You have safety in numbers, if you don’t get eaten, you might get to reproduce.

Take a look at the human race now. It has allowed us to feed so well that we reproduced exponentially. That is success, in terms of evolution of humans. Many populations follow some sort of sinusoidal. It goes up, it hits a top limit that the area can provide, then crashes to an acceptable level or lower, then goes up again. And repeats. Smaller animals such as fish (bottom of food chain) and our ancestors and also early us probably followed the same curve. but wait...out brains got bigger. Yes, we are complex creatures. I would have to disagree with SkinWalker about not being magical about the construct of a human. A soul is just a label that humans out of the use in a history of thinking and revision have concluded that a spirit or the psyche exists within us, a construct of what humans are suppose to possess more so than another kind of lifeform. Maybe i went too much into the reply of what is a human and further elaborated what constructs and what determines the differences.
 
The three posts below this one are officially retarded, thoughtless, and complete bullshit, and should be deleted by the owners, if they have any respect for other human beings. This is suppsoed to be a serious discussion, and bullshit won't be tolerated.

I was taking it seriously. You edited your original post, so yes now my answer seems retarted. Your original post, as I remember it, said something to the extent of "can we define humanity?" or "is it possible to define humanity?" at the end of it. My answer to that is still...

No.

You can try to define humanity in a number of ways, but you always seem to run into special cases that don't fit.

So Blow! :D
 
I opt for not wanting to be human per your definition, whatever this is.
My reply was a question. For me, if I don't understand things it is natural I ask before I answer. It's called establishing a basis for discussion.
 
Re: Re: Re: What makes us human?

Originally posted by Fafnir665
Are you a complete fuckwad?
You could just ignore the stupid posts instead of doing that which you complain about.

As for the original question, I think it is simpy that other people consider us 'one of them'. You can take any number of body parts or traits from someone, and they are still human. It's like asking how many drops of water are needed for an ocean. There is no good answer that isn't simply arbitrary.
 
what makes a human, human? What made your core being choose, assuming it had a choice, to become human, rather then a simpler life form?
Maybe I am missing some ingenious intricacy of the question but...as skinwalker said, our DNA makes us human. There is no choice. You could choose to be a sloth but you would still be human acting like a sloth. :)
 
Youve edited your original post,i dont even know what you originally asked,otherwise i might think about your question.

Seems odd to me you needed to completely ruin your original post and replace it with anger towards 3 posters below you.

It looks to me like youve gone off on one,for someone appearing to be a humanitarian then calling everyone retards and fuckwads makes you look like the antithesis of what youre trying to say,sorry thats how it looks at face value,ive not seen your original post.
 
To the people posting about DNA, and evolution, this is philosophy, not one of the science forums upstairs. Maybe I'm looking for more artistic viewpoints, maybe more on the line of souls and higher causes. I know my science, if it was meant to be that kind of question, I would have put it in "Biology and Genetics"
 
To be honest the choice stems back to my parents,they were human,so im told,and their dna and genes is what makes me human as well.

The choice was sex.

I mean are you talking biologically or psychologically or what?

What makes a monkey a monkey?

What makes a snake a snake?

Whats with humans,i mean you have different races,hair colour,facial features etc but youre still human.

Psychologically,well the biological makeup makes the psychological make up along with society,enviroment etc.

True some people dont act human,but if youre asking the question "what makes a human,human?" it would be human standards deciding another human dont act human,what if theyre acting human and we are not.

If im not acting human what am i?

Perhaps what makes us human is the fact we ask the question
what makes us human,simpler life forms dont ask the questions.
 
Originally posted by Fafnir665
To the people posting about DNA, and evolution, this is philosophy, not one of the science forums upstairs.

I thought my answer touched on a bit of both, actually. Philosophically speaking, that "humans" have some special place for themselves on our little bubble called Earth is very "self-centered." We are no more significant than the 10-15% of the Earth's Biomass called ants, as I stated. At least not to the Earth. To the Earth, we are just another species. If our species dies off, the Earth will go on. Oblivious. It will matter not.

Originally posted by Fafnir665
Maybe I'm looking for more artistic viewpoints, maybe more on the line of souls and higher causes.

And that is the great failing of the human species... wondering what our purpose is. There is no higher purpose other than survive. We either will, or we won't. We have distinct advantages offered to us by natural selection, to which Marigny went into much better detail than I. There is no evidence of any kind of soul... this is very likely just Man's wishful thinking. We do have difficulty accepting that we are so insignificant as to not have the right to eternal life. Perhaps if we, as a self-aware species, would just accept that this is all we get (this life of 70-100 years), we would live our lives a bit better and have more compassion for our fellow homo sapien.

Originally posted by Fafnir665
I know my science, if it was meant to be that kind of question, I would have put it in "Biology and Genetics"

People interject their philosophical and religious beliefs in these types of forums... just look at any discussion on the value of genetics or the processes of evolution. I see no reason why the reverse cannot hold true once in a while.
 
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What makes us Human is the fact that we are more than mere animals.

Ask the Question is a Human Being more than a mere animal.

Most will say yes, although many Humans have hardly left the
Jungle with its Survival of the Fittest, Chaos of Evolution.

A Mere animal when it is first born is completely fulfilled in its
Be-ing.

An Animal is bound to the Chaos of the Material World of Reality.

A Human Be-ing has the potentiality of being set Free from the Chaos of the Material World; Man is born a Free Spirit.


A human Be-ing when it is first born has just begun the process of
Creation; the potentiality of the Reality of a Human BE-ing is Boundless.

Freedom makes a Human BE-ing different than an Animal.


:eek:
 
There's no one answer, so...

Since this is the Philosophy forum and bending the rules is one of the rules, I'm going to give three answers. But there's continuity here, so humor me. You'll love the ending.

First, starting 60 million years ago.

A whole new class of plants sprang up. I think they're called angiosperms, but I'll let the biologists verify that. What they were was the first trees with fruit on them. The birds and the flying insects got an instant banquet. But there were no mammals that could climb a tree.

(Maybe there were predators with claws like the modern felines who could do it, but:
1. I doubt it. The sloths that are about to debut and play a key role in this story were small and slow. They'd have all been eaten.
2. Their digestion was too specialized for eating meat. They probably couldn't eat fruit anyway.)

Some of the mammals looked longingly up at that bounty and tried to learn to climb trees. Eventually the sloths evolved. Small, slow, weak mammals (fruit isn't exactly laden with protein), but they could climb trees, making them safe from predation, and they had all that fruit to eat. The primates are descended from the sloths.

So all of you Atkins dieters who are trying to delete fruit from your diet? You're fighting sixty million years of history.

The first thing that makes us human is our love of fruit.

Fast forward about 54 million years.

For whatever reason, and you can find a dozen threads on SciForums with suggested reasons, some of the chimpanzee-like apes decided to come down out of the trees and live on the savannah. Life was tough there for herbivores, because there were already elephants and giraffes and rhinos and buffalo. Lots of big, strong, fast mammals that already laid claim to the plants of the savannah. The apes would probably have had to go back up into the trees until one of them got a brilliant idea: Hey let's just eat the herbivores! They're everywhere! Why try to survive by eating grass when meat is so much more nutritious?

I've seen baboons on nature shows watch hyenas run into the water and catch flamingoes and then learn to do it themselves. I'm sure our ancestors did the same thing. Eventually they invented spears and learned to drive their prey into cul-de-sacs, and finally (hooray) how to cook the damn stuff. With a steady supply of meat, they were able to stay on the ground, learn to farm, build houses, and eventually computers.

So all of you PETA types that think we shouldn't eat meat? You are fighting about six million years of history.

The second thing that makes us human is our love of meat.

Now fast forward about 5,988,000 years.

Humans have spread all over the globe. There were human hunting parties everywhere. The wolves, successful pack-hunters who were also everywhere, couldn't help but notice that the humans were really good at it. They could formulate and communicate extremely complicated plans, and they could bring down unbelievably enormous prey like mastodons that wolves could only dream of. But they were extremely wasteful, inexplicably leaving pieces of perfectly good food lying all over their campgrounds. And possibly most wonderful of all, those same campgrounds also had nice warm fires.

The humans in turn couldn't help but notice that the wolves could smell prey that was much further away than they could see. With their sharp teeth and claws they could just about bother an animal to death once they got it surrounded. They were absolutely fearless protectors and would risk their lives to run off lions and bears from their own camps. And by golly, they just loved to eat garbage, which really cut down on the bug problem.

A marriage made in heaven. No one domesticated dogs, they just started hanging around and the humans let them, as long as they learned not to eat the baby humans when nobody was looking. The dogs were cool with that, considering all the free garbage to eat, and in fact they were happy to protect the baby humans and their mothers from bears and lions while the male humans and the rest of the dog pack were out hunting gigantic tasty animals together.

(I'm calling them dogs at this point instead of wolves. They are actually not two distinct species. The only real difference is that wolves are still wild. Oh yeah, and dogs have evolved slightly smaller brains so they can thrive on the lower protein diet of a scavenger. Their DNA differs less than an Irishman differs from a Maori. Wolves are really just one breed of dog: the oldest.)

Two species of animals that ran in packs, had a social hierarchy, had complementary hunting skills, and between them did a great job of running a safe, warm, clean campground. It wasn't long before they regarded each other as companions. Everybody loved puppies, and young humans would curl up with the dogs at night to keep warm. The rest is history.

And that, my esteemed fundamentalist Muslim friends, is the particular twelve thousand years of history that you guys are attempting to turn your back on, with your absolutely ridiculous ideas about dogs having no place in a human home. Our relationship with dogs goes back ten thousand years before Mohammed was a gleam in his father's eye. And it has never caused a war! In fact, the medical community continues to discover new situations in which dogs relieve stress and make us more peaceful. If you want to create a religion, it's dogs we should be worshiping.

Dogs and humans were the first multi-species community ever to occupy this planet. (I'm not counting biological relationships like parasitism -- fleas and ticks -- and symbiosis -- those birds that keep the hippos' teeth clean.) Humans learned to live with, respect, care about, and eventually love, "people" who belong to a totally different species. That was a powerful lesson to have behind us when we finally got to the point where we outgrew our tribal villages where everybody knew each other, were related, and shared the same beliefs. Could we have built cities where we had to get along with people who were different from us? Could we ever have built nations including people who are so different that they don't even speak the same language or believe in the same prophet? Could we have done any of that without the experience of learning to live with companions of a different species? Considering what a rotten job we're doing of it as things are, practically blowing ourselves off the planet every couple hundred years, I really doubt it. We have dogs to thank for the fact that civilization exists at all.

The third thing that makes us human is the multi-species community we built with our dogs.

What makes us human?

1. We love fruit.
2. We love meat.
3. We love dogs.
 
Originally posted by Fafnir665
To the people posting about DNA, and evolution, this is philosophy, not one of the science forums upstairs. Maybe I'm looking for more artistic viewpoints, maybe more on the line of souls and higher causes. I know my science, if it was meant to be that kind of question, I would have put it in "Biology and Genetics"

The sciences are really not much more than agreed upon philosophies. So why not include such responses? If you are looking for more "artistic viewpoints", maybe you should have posted this in the Arts & Culture section so we can make little inspirational poems about the human soul. ;)
 
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