What Defines 'Stealing the Oil'?

Carcano

Carcano

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Remember how so many people predicted that the US would turn Iraq into a puppet state and then proceed to 'steal the oil'...that being the supposed original intention? Actually, this line of reasoning is ongoing.

But, now that a significant amount of time has passed, maybe its time to take a look and see if this is really happening.

Is the US getting Iraqi oil for free or for less than market value? Are they even buying it in significant quantities?
 
The plan was to make billions on Iraqi oil but the civil war, failed US military policy and the exodus of contractors have put all those grand ideas into the ash heap of history.
 
Genji said:
The plan was to make billions on Iraqi oil but the civil war, failed US military policy and the exodus of contractors have put all those grand ideas into the ash heap of history.
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How do you 'know' that was the plan, or is it simply what you 'believe'?
 
Carcano said:
Is the US getting Iraqi oil for free or for less than market value? Are they even buying it in significant quantities?
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America does not own mideastern oil , nor does America get mideastern oil cheap what is implied by stealing the oil , is this . Mideastern nations own the oil wells and the oil in these wells there is no problems about this . The US petroleum corporations control the global distribution of Mid Eastern oil that is where problem comes in . The higher the oil prices go the better for American petroleum corporations . The oil wealth of Saudi Arabia , Kuwait and Iraq is distributed by the US corporations to its biggest market the EU with Japan and Asia a secondary market . Profits from global oil sales goes into the pockets of US corporations .

Iran on the other hand completely nationalized its oil industry in 1979 after ousting the Shah and Iran began to sell its oil outside of US control of distribution . The EU in the late 1990s began to make overtures to Iran in petroleum supply contracts that would make Iran its principal supplier . This would see the US lose a large share of its profits and see The EU which is Americas principal economic competitor gain a foothold in Mideast ern oil industry and become a thraet to US dominance . This is the source of the current conflict with America and Iran , America must bring Iran within its orbit of influence or lose big time .
 
Carcano said:
How do you 'know' that was the plan, or is it simply what you 'believe'?
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Do you really think the USA invaded because our govt. was concerned about the lack of democracy in Iraq?! If so why ignore over a dozen other countries with far worse human rights violations, starting with the DR of Congo and Rwanda. Was it because the USA feared that Iraq would invade the US!!! :p Or was it because the intention was to overthrow Hussein, get the oil flowing and pay for the war that way. Why else were hundreds of oil contractors from the USA living temporarily in Jordan awaiting the green light to plunder Iraq?
 
Genji said:
Do you really think the USA invaded because our govt. was concerned about the lack of democracy in Iraq?! If so why ignore over a dozen other countries with far worse human rights violations, starting with the DR of Congo and Rwanda. Was it because the USA feared that Iraq would invade the US!!! :p Or was it because the intention was to overthrow Hussein, get the oil flowing and pay for the war that way. Why else were hundreds of oil contractors from the USA living temporarily in Jordan awaiting the green light to plunder Iraq?
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No I personally DO NOT believe that the US went in there to free anybody. I suspect they went in because Israel wanted them to get rid of an enemy. Israel calls the shots on much of US foreign policy in the mid east.

I'd just like to see some evidence that the US is stealing the oil, IF that is indeed the case.
 
Genji said:
Do you really think the USA invaded because our govt. was concerned about the lack of democracy in Iraq?! If so why ignore over a dozen other countries with far worse human rights violations, starting with the DR of Congo and Rwanda. Was it because the USA feared that Iraq would invade the US!!! :p Or was it because the intention was to overthrow Hussein, get the oil flowing and pay for the war that way. Why else were hundreds of oil contractors from the USA living temporarily in Jordan awaiting the green light to plunder Iraq?
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Are you mad? Don't you know Saddam was working on a MEGA-WMD that would destroy the US? :D

Considering how "weak" the US is militarily, they had to go over and stop him before it was too late!
 
Brian Foley said:
Iran on the other hand completely nationalized its oil industry in 1979 after ousting the Shah and Iran began to sell its oil outside of US control of distribution . The EU in the late 1990s began to make overtures to Iran in petroleum supply contracts that would make Iran its principal supplier . This would see the US lose a large share of its profits and see The EU which is Americas principal economic competitor gain a foothold in Mideast ern oil industry and become a thraet to US dominance . This is the source of the current conflict with America and Iran , America must bring Iran within its orbit of influence or lose big time.
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This isn't about Iran, its about Iraq.

Is there any concrete evidence that either the US government or its corporations is getting Iraqi oil for free, or below market values?
 
Carcano said:
No I personally DO NOT believe that the US went in there to free anybody. I suspect they went in because Israel wanted them to get rid of an enemy. Israel calls the shots on much of US foreign policy in the mid east.

I'd just like to see some evidence that the US is stealing the oil, IF that is indeed the case.
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Your Israel connection has merit as well.
 
Genji said:
Your Israel connection has merit as well.
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It was a very convenient opportunity to take military action that could never have been justified otherwise.
 
Carcano said:
It was a very convenient opportunity to do so.
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I recall Saddam firing Scuds at Israel. Who is the pimp and who is the whore in the US/Israel relationship I wonder.
 
samcdkey said:
What does Israel have on the US? :confused:
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The pimp/whore analogy doesn't really fit, now that I think about it.

A whore at least keeps some of the money she makes...the US doesn't derive any benefit whatsoever from its symbiotic relationship with Israel.
 
Carcano said:
This isn't about Iran, its about Iraq.

Is there any concrete evidence that either the US government or its corporations is getting Iraqi oil for free, or below market values?
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The idea was America would sell Iraqi oil to finance the rebuilding of Iraqs infrastructure and pay for its occupation . However the EU the principal market is not buying Iraqi oil so Iraqi oil industry is remains unrepaired because the US has no money to rebuild it .
 
Brian Foley said:
The idea was America would sell Iraqi oil to finance the rebuilding of Iraqs infrastructure and pay for its occupation . However the EU the principal market is not buying Iraqi oil so Iraqi oil industry is remains unrepaired because the US has no money to rebuild it .
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Why is the EU not buying Iraqi oil?

And who are they buying from then?
 
Carcano said:
the US doesn't derive any benefit whatsoever
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If that's true, then the US government is dumber than I thought.

But US support comes with strings attached. I read somewhere that China wouldn't mind buying weapons technology from Israel, but the US wouldn't hear of it.

Probably a good thing, considering China's human rights record...
 
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