What are the conflicts between atheism and science?

Dywyddyr said:
I agree (in general).
And scientifically there's no evidence to suggest that Zeus, Osiris, Mithras and unicorns don't exist.
Presumably, therefore you accept and worship those too?

As I have stated more than once in threads in which you yourself have taken part - since there is no evidence to support god's existence there is no reason to subscribe to the belief in god. That seems to the point you constantly miss. Or ignore.
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What more evidence do you need? The ancient peoples did not possess video cameras to record angels or any of the other religious phenomena that occurred at the time. However there are still many "Holy books" which can be analyzed and any archaeological evidence uncovered so far. It's not the fault of religion that it goes beyond science as to defy our sense of logic however still remaining logical.
 
Jan Ardena said:
There is no evidence to suggest stuff just upped and happened creating itself, all by itself.
Do you believe it did?

jan.
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I can't speak for every atheist but I doubt that many of them are proposing any such thing. Many people believe instead that the existence of something is the natural state of affairs; that it is impossible for there not to be something. And they're right. The idea that it is possible for nothing to be "here" instead of something is monumentally illogical.
 
Anti-Flag said:
Except the parts that disprove the claims of existance, of which the burden of proof is on the claimant. Otherwise we could claim all manner of crazy things as truth.
This is not contrary to science.
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An extremely rational, objective and open-minded scientist needs to find these proofs because being part of the scientific community it is his/her responsibility to prove or disprove.
 
phlogistician,


No, he accused scientists of committing fraud for personal gain, and implied this happened often.
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I can understand you disagreement, but why describe someones opinion as heinous (evil)?


Jan, he called all atheists chickens. I got an infraction for saying I'd never met an honest theist. If that was infraction worthy, calling atheists chickens certainly is.
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I don't know the context of your infraction, but this may or may not be one.
Which is why I said, why not wait for a response.

jan.
 
Dywyddyr said:
I agree (in general).
And scientifically there's no evidence to suggest that Zeus, Osiris, Mithras and unicorns don't exist.
Presumably, therefore you accept and worship those too?
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There is no debate and no controversy in the examples you provided and it’s unfair to use them to exemplify your point.
 
Rav said:
I can't speak for every atheist but I doubt that many of them are proposing any such thing. Many people believe instead that the existence of something is the natural state of affairs; that it is impossible for there not to be something. And they're right. The idea that it is possible for nothing to be "here" instead of something is monumentally illogical.
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Rav, there is no evidence (scientific) of anything which can be said to have caused the universe from scratch. It all boils down to what one believes.
I'm merely pointing that out.

Carrying on from your statement, how can nothing exist?
There has to be an observer.

jan.
 
phlogistician said:
Yes there is, the Big Bang theory. Stop ignoring the evidence.
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It's not by accident that the Father of the big bang theory was a Catholic Priest
A Univerise with a specific begining is very uncomfortable for Athesist
Also the Theory that time does not exist outside of our Universe. First suggested by Augustine.
Finally the big bang started with a flash of light (sound familar)
 
Mind Over Matter said:
It's not by accident that the Father of the big bang theory was a Catholic Priest
A Univerise with a specific begining is very uncomfortable for Athesist
Also the Theory that time does not exist outside of our Universe. First suggested by Augustine.
Finally the big bang started with a flash of light (sound familar)
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And exactly why do you believe the unknown is uncomfortable for an atheist?

You really don't have any basis for any of this spewage do you?
 
Mind Over Matter said:
What more evidence do you need? The ancient peoples did not possess video cameras to record angels or any of the other religious phenomena that occurred at the time. However there are still many "Holy books" which can be analyzed and any archaeological evidence uncovered so far.
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Right. There are "holy" books.
So, presumably, you also accept Zeus, Osiris and the rest since they equally well documented.
Why, specifically is your book holy and not the others?

It's not the fault of religion that it goes beyond science as to defy our sense of logic however still remaining logical.
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Goes beyond science? Sure it does. Into fantasy.
Logical? Hardly.
How do you know it's logical if it "defies our sense of logic"?

One more time:
And scientifically there's no evidence to suggest that Zeus, Osiris, Mithras and unicorns don't exist.
Presumably, therefore you accept and worship those too?
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And your answer:
There is no debate and no controversy in the examples you provided and it’s unfair to use them to exemplify your point.
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Is not an answer.
Why is there no debate?
Why is it (according to you) "unfair"?
Do you believe in them or not? There is no evidence to say they don't exist, and "no proof he doesn't exist" is, at least in part, your professed "rationale" for your belief in that particular god.
 
phlogistician said:
You just claimed he doesn't exist. Where your proof he doesn't exist?
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Sorry, but no. You really ought to read more closely. Here is what I said. The quote from my below post is evidence that you are yet again mistaken.
Dywyddyr said:
I agree (in general).
And scientifically there's no evidence to suggest that Zeus, Osiris, Mithras and unicorns don't exist.
Presumably, therefore you accept and worship those too?
Mind Over Matter said:
There is no debate and no controversy in the examples you provided and it’s unfair to use them to exemplify your point.
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Mind Over Matter said:
The ball's in your court. I never claimed Zeus existed. Yes he's popular too, and yet his popularity does not elevate him beyond a mere work of fiction.
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Mind Over Matter said:
Sorry, but no. You really ought to read more closely. Here is what I said. The quote from my above post is evidence that you are yet again mistaken.
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Wrong again.
You specifically wrote "yet his popularity does not elevate him beyond a mere work of fiction".
That wording states categorically that Zeus is a work of fiction: i.e. he doesn't exist.
Maybe you should read (or think about) what you write.
So why do think Zeus is fiction and not your god?
 
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