We don't know

Xmo1

Xmo1

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I was created by life. Where did life come from? We don't know. It seems to have come from mixing components of the Universe (that we know). But ultimately, we don't know. The brain is my controller. I can't call it my brain, because I didn't cause it to be. Life did. I just know that my brain controls the behavior observed by others. I control my arms and legs at times, but way slower than the level of interactivity that my brain has with it's environment. I am a biological super-organism with a mouth that speaks. That's probably as close as I can come to describing myself. _Xmo(dem)
 
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But ultimately, we don't know.
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What ever would give you the impression we have no way of "knowing" how life began nearly 4 billion years ago?
And your brain is not "your" brain because you didn't cause it to be. Can you explain what parts of your body you did "cause to be"?

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biological super-organism
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Probably safe with biological but I would lay off the super

:)
 
Michael 345 said:
What ever would give you the impression we have no way of "knowing" how life began nearly 4 billion years ago? And your brain is not "your" brain because you didn't cause it to be. Can you explain what parts of your body you did "cause to be"?

Probably safe with biological but I would lay off the super:)
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I (My conscious mind is a part of what my brain does, but it's not the only thing it does by far.) grew from DNA. DNA:life created my brain. It happened at a specific time and place. Where did DNA originate? No one knows.
Super-organism may be a technical term. I got it from Bonnie Bassler on Ted.com : How bacteria "talk"
 
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Our existence arrived within, and from (DNA, aka Life is just part of it) the universe around us. . Lots of explosions and a lot of hot stuff, and smoking stars. Reminds me of a foundry, where the cold rocks are the slag, and the craftsman is pouring water (that would be us in my imagination) on his work.

BTW, ESO Zooming into Antares - on top of the Milky Way in the red dust, the red dust looks to me like a human head, and upper torso with arms. I always thought it strange how our brains interact with pictures of smoke and fire by making and sending images to us that appear to be recognizable patterns. Clouds do it to.
 
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Our existence arrived within, and from (DNA, aka Life is just part of it) the universe around us. . Lots of explosions and a lot of hot stuff, and smoking stars. Reminds me of a foundry, where the cold rocks are the slag, and the craftsman is pouring water (that would be us in my imagination) on his work.

BTW, European Southern Observatory (ESO) Zooming into Antares - on top of the Milky Way in the red dust, the red dust looks to me like a human head, and upper torso with arms. I always thought it strange how our brains interact with pictures of smoke and fire by making and sending images to us that appear to be recognizable patterns. Clouds do it too.
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full screen, high def, around .04+ sec.; for more YT : European Southern Observatory (ESO) Zoom
 
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Our existence arrived within, and from (DNA, aka Life is just part of it) the universe around us. . Lots of explosions and a lot of hot stuff, and smoking stars. Reminds me of a foundry, where the cold rocks are the slag, and the craftsman is pouring water (that would be us in my imagination) on his work.

BTW, ESO Zooming into Antares - on top of the Milky Way in the red dust, the red dust looks to me like a human head, and upper torso with arms. I always thought it strange how our brains interact with pictures of smoke and fire by making and sending images to us that appear to be recognizable patterns. Clouds do it to.
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But you know what? I don't believe life came from the elements. I think life is or was something made by an intelligent something. So there are the elements, and intelligence that I have identified, and I separate them. The elements are visible. Intelligence is not. So it is faith that supports my belief. Statesmanship is not held in an element. I think the source of life is God. That's not saying much (tl:dw).
 
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But you know what? I don't believe life came from the elements. I think life is or was something made by an intelligent something. So there are the elements, and intelligence that I have identified, and I separate them. The elements are visible. Intelligence is not. So it is faith that supports my belief. Statesmanship is not held in an element. I think the source of life is God. That's not saying much (tl:dw).
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I think you are another person who confuses a PROCESS with a INGREDIENT

The elements are visible. Ingredient

Intelligence is not. Process

This is not a apple and orange comparison

More like a ant to the Universe. Does not work because they (ant/Universe) do not even approximate comparison

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Michael 345 said:
I think you are another person who confuses a PROCESS with a INGREDIENT

The elements are visible. Ingredient

Intelligence is not. Process

This is not a apple and orange comparison

More like a ant to the Universe. Does not work because they (ant/Universe) do not even approximate comparison

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Intelligence: 1. the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills. "an eminent man of great intelligence"
synonyms: intellectual capacity, mental capacity, intellect, mind, brain(s), IQ, brainpower, judgment, reasoning, understanding, comprehension

I can see that intelligence is process rather than ingredient.
How about life?
I haven't found a definition that would classify it into either ingredient or process. Dictionaries speak of it as the life force, or a quality distinct from death, and a principle (a principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings).
There is a difference between living and non-living things. Would you say that life is an ingredient or a process? The next question is did it arrive accidentally, or as the result of a process, or was it intentionally made. Either way, we don't know. No one to date has created life.
 
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Again, I ran out of time to edit (with other things to do in the meanwhile). So annoying.

Pull the argument into physics. Life is not one of the four fundamental forces attributable to the elements, but neither is it an element. As a force it would not be a process either. What are ideas and dreams? I would like to continue on with this post to explore what I hold to be true (my beliefs).
 
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How about life?
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Life is a PROCESS

Google life definetion. I found this

life

lʌɪf/

noun

noun: life; plural noun: lives; noun: one's life; plural noun: one's lifes

1.

the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

"the origins of life"

synonyms:existence, being, living, animation, aliveness, animateness; More
entity, sentience, creation, survival, viability;

rareesse

"only a mother can appreciate the joy of giving life to a child"

antonyms:death, non-existence

living things and their activity.

"lower forms of life"

synonyms:living things, living beings, living creatures, the living; More

human/animal/plant life, fauna, flora, ecosystems, creatures, wildlife;

human beings, humanity, humankind, mankind, man, human activity;

literary flesh

"armaments that threaten to eliminate life on the planet"

along with 4 other definetions

Google life force. I found this

life force

noun

noun: life force; noun: lifeforce

the force that gives something its vitality or strength.

"the passionate life force of the symphony"

the spirit which animates living creatures; the soul.

Note the all mysterious soul in this definition

This is the classic attempt by, usually religious persons, to construct something tangible or perhaps they do not understand the difference, from something intangible as in a PROCESS

My take on the "soul" is that it is an invented concept in order to explain what goes to heaven when you die

It's the little bloke sitting in the brain pulling the strings so to speak. And when you die it's this little fellow that packs up your life time of memories, hikes off to heaven or hell to catch up with any relatives and / or mates there

As with all metaphysical entities it does not exist

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did it arrive accidentally, or as the result of a process, or was it intentionally made
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It (life) came into being as a result of a process

It certainly was not intentionally made
(Fee fy foo rhyme
I smell the scent of
Intelligent Design)

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I am a biological super-organism with a mouth that speaks. That's probably as close as I can come to describing myself. _Xmo(dem)
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Through you the universe looks back at itself. As Carl Sagan once said: "We are made of star-stuff."
 
Wow, I nearly quoted Allan Watts with that last post...


“You are an aperture through which the universe is looking at and exploring itself.”

--Allan W Watts
 
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