Vaccine related autism study?

Magical Realist said:
I said it was in some vaccines and we need to get rid of it.
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Why? You get more methylmercury (the bad stuff) from one can of tuna than you get of the less-bad stuff (ethylmercury) from a flu vaccine containing thimerosal. (60 ug vs 50 ug.) So eat one less can of tuna a year, get one vaccine a year (if you can find one made of thimerosal, that is) and you still come out ahead.
 
Magical Realist said:
I merely stated the obvious fact that antivaxxers aren't causing measles deaths in third world countries. Does such even need to be said? Apparently here it does.
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Oh, they aren't? How do you come to that conclusion?
 
billvon said:
Why? You get more methylmercury (the bad stuff) from one can of tuna than you get of the less-bad stuff (ethylmercury) from a flu vaccine containing thimerosal. (60 ug vs 50 ug.) So eat one less can of tuna a year, get one vaccine a year (if you can find one made of thimerosal, that is) and you still come out ahead.
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I already cited a study showing how ethyl mercury metabolizes into methylmercury and then into the really bad inorganic mercury. Do I need to repost it? Seems half the time I'm repeating the same posts here for those who forget.
 
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Kittamaru said:
Oh, they aren't? How do you come to that conclusion?
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"Measles is still common in many developing countries – particularly in parts of Africa and Asia. The overwhelming majority (more than 95%) of measles deaths occur in countries with low per capita incomes and weak health infrastructures.

Measles outbreaks can be particularly deadly in countries experiencing or recovering from a natural disaster or conflict. Damage to health infrastructure and health services interrupts routine immunization, and overcrowding in residential camps greatly increases the risk of infection."

That's not being caused by upper middle class ideological antivaxxers. That's being caused by lack of access to health care in poor countries.
 
Magical Realist said:
"Measles is still common in many developing countries – particularly in parts of Africa and Asia. The overwhelming majority (more than 95%) of measles deaths occur in countries with low per capita incomes and weak health infrastructures.

Measles outbreaks can be particularly deadly in countries experiencing or recovering from a natural disaster or conflict. Damage to health infrastructure and health services interrupts routine immunization, and overcrowding in residential camps greatly increases the risk of infection."

That's not being caused by upper middle class ideological antivaxxers. That's being caused by lack of access to health care in poor countries.
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So you are proposing that arguing against vaccinations in general wouldn't result in a lower availability of vaccinations in general?
How does that work?
 
Magical Realist said:
I merely stated the obvious fact that antivaxxers aren't causing measles deaths in third world countries. Does such even need to be said? Apparently here it does.
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Anti-vaxxers are indeed causing avoidable measles deaths in third world countries. Kenya sees about 60 measles deaths a year.

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Fear mongering about vaccines as “racist population control” in Kenya
Posted by David Gorski on November 15, 2014

There are many conspiracy theories about vaccines, and they circulate almost continuously. Some are relatively new, but most are at least a few years old. They all tend to fall into several defined types, such as the “CDC whistleblower” story, which posits that the “CDC knew” all these years that vaccines cause autism but covered it up, even going so far as to commit scientific fraud to do so. Of the many other myths about vaccines that stubbornly persist despite all evidence showing them not only to be untrue but to be risibly, pseudoscientifically untrue, among whose number are myths that vaccines cause autism, sudden infant death syndrome, and a syndrome that so resembles shaken baby syndrome (more correctly called abusive head trauma) that shaken baby syndrome is a misdiagnosis for vaccine injury, the antivaccine conspiracy theory that vaccines are being used for population control is one of the most persistent. In this myth, vaccines are not designed to protect populations of impoverished nations against diseases like the measles, which still kills hundreds of thousands of people a year outside of developed countries. Oh, no. Rather, according to this myth, vaccines are in fact a surreptitious instrument of population control designed to render people sterile, for whatever nefarious reasons the powers that be have to want to control the population.
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Some people are seen to exhibit circular reasoning. Others, it's more like a Möbius strip...
 
Magical Realist said:
I already cited a study showing how ethyl mercury metabolizes into methylmercury and then into the really bad inorganic mercury. Do I need to repost it? Seems half the time I'm repeating the same posts here for those who forget.
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Uhm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylmercury

Unlike methylmercury, ethylmercury has not been found to bioaccumulate.[2] The toxicity of ethylmercury is not well studied - exposure standards based on methylmercury (such as those currently recommended by theUnited States Environmental Protection Agency) have not been demonstrated to be equivalent for ethylmercury.[3] Ethylmercury clears from blood with a half-life of about 18 days in adults. Ethylmercury is eliminated from the brain in about 14 days in infant monkeys. Risk assessment for effects on the nervous system have been made by extrapolating from dose-response relationships for methylmercury.[4] Methylmercury and ethylmercury distribute to all body tissues, crossing the blood–brain barrier and the placental barrier, and ethylmercury also moves freely throughout the body.[5] Concerns based on extrapolations from methylmercury caused thimerosal to be removed from U.S. childhood vaccines, starting in 1999. Since then, it has been found that ethylmercury is eliminated from the body and the brain significantly faster than methylmercury, so the late-1990s risk assessments turned out to be overly conservative.[4] Though inorganic mercury metabolized from ethylmercury has a much longer half-life in the brain, at least 120 days, it appears to be much less toxic than the inorganic mercury produced from mercury vapor, for reasons not yet understood.[4]

http://www.epa.gov/teach/chem_summ/mercury_org_summary.pdf

I would like to see these studies showing ethylmercury being metabolized into methylmercury...
 
Magical Realist said:
"Measles is still common in many developing countries – particularly in parts of Africa and Asia. The overwhelming majority (more than 95%) of measles deaths occur in countries with low per capita incomes and weak health infrastructures.

Measles outbreaks can be particularly deadly in countries experiencing or recovering from a natural disaster or conflict. Damage to health infrastructure and health services interrupts routine immunization, and overcrowding in residential camps greatly increases the risk of infection."

That's not being caused by upper middle class ideological antivaxxers. That's being caused by lack of access to health care in poor countries.
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Well thank God for poor health care, otherwise your stupidity ignorance would make a real difference.
 
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Kittamaru said:
Uhm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylmercury

Unlike methylmercury, ethylmercury has not been found to bioaccumulate.[2] The toxicity of ethylmercury is not well studied - exposure standards based on methylmercury (such as those currently recommended by theUnited States Environmental Protection Agency) have not been demonstrated to be equivalent for ethylmercury.[3] Ethylmercury clears from blood with a half-life of about 18 days in adults. Ethylmercury is eliminated from the brain in about 14 days in infant monkeys. Risk assessment for effects on the nervous system have been made by extrapolating from dose-response relationships for methylmercury.[4] Methylmercury and ethylmercury distribute to all body tissues, crossing the blood–brain barrier and the placental barrier, and ethylmercury also moves freely throughout the body.[5] Concerns based on extrapolations from methylmercury caused thimerosal to be removed from U.S. childhood vaccines, starting in 1999. Since then, it has been found that ethylmercury is eliminated from the body and the brain significantly faster than methylmercury, so the late-1990s risk assessments turned out to be overly conservative.[4] Though inorganic mercury metabolized from ethylmercury has a much longer half-life in the brain, at least 120 days, it appears to be much less toxic than the inorganic mercury produced from mercury vapor, for reasons not yet understood.[4]

http://www.epa.gov/teach/chem_summ/mercury_org_summary.pdf

I would like to see these studies showing ethylmercury being metabolized into methylmercury...
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http://www.activistpost.com/2011/09/vaccine-establishments-safety-debate.html
 
Kittamaru said:
Interesting... though I have to question the authenticity of it given the source... however, even assuming it to be true:

http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodborneIllnessContaminants/Metals/ucm115644.htm

So, once again, we are back to a simple issue - why are we making a big deal of this? Give the youngins the Thimersal free vaccinations and be done with it...
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It's like talking to a wall. I already told you why. Thimersol is still being used in other countries, and is still being used in multidose vaccines in the U.S. And as I have already pointed out several times here, the aluminum aduvants they now use in vaccines can produce toxic levels of aluminum. I'm not repeating all those posts here. It's all in this thread for those who wish to read it.
 
Magical Realist said:
Reported for insult..
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You have to understand when you are on the side of a movement that could result in a health crisis, people get a little annoyed at the irresponsiblity of it all. I would hazard a guess that most people find your attitude and posts insulting.
 
Magical Realist said:
It's like talking to a wall. I already told you why. Thimersol is still being used in other countries, and is still being used in multidose vaccines in the U.S. And as I have already pointed out several times here, the aluminum aduvants they now use in vaccines can produce toxic levels of aluminum. I'm not repeating all those posts here. It's all in this thread for those who wish to read it.
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Again, we are back to a simple issue: Give the people who cannot have the normal vaccines the "clean" ones, and be done with it...

Why are you making a fuss over this? If you don't' want Thimersol, don't get a vaccine with it. You'll still end up getting more mercury in you from fish than you will from a vaccine...

You sound like an angry Vegan who thinks that because they don't' want to eat meat, NOBODY should eat meat...
 
Why are you making a fuss over this? If you don't' want Thimersol, don't get a vaccine with it. You'll still end up getting more mercury in you from fish than you will from a vaccine...
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Why are YOU making a fuss over it? People need to be informed of the toxic effects of Thimerasol before they can opt for Thimerasol-free vaccines, assuming its even an option at the doctor's office. I would guess it isn't, especially in other countries. Then there's the issue of the aluminum in vaccines too. Is that even safe? Studies suggest it isn't. See previous posts on this.
 
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You have to understand when you are on the side of a movement that could result in a health crisis, people get a little annoyed at the irresponsiblity of it all. I would hazard a guess that most people find your attitude and posts insulting.
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An insult is a particular remark or statement. Quote the insult I made against "most people"..
 
Magical Realist said:
Why are YOU making a fuss over it? People need to be informed of the toxic effects of Thimerasol before they can opt for Thimerasol-free vaccines, assuming its even an option at the doctor's office. I would guess it isn't, especially in other countries. Then there's the issue of the aluminum in vaccines too. Is that even safe? Studies suggest it isn't. See previous posts on this.
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Except studies suggest that it is...

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxic-myths-about-vaccines/

also

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/ScienceResearch/ucm284520.htm

There are plenty of countries with NO vaccination program... and countries with much BIGGER issues to deal with (lookin at you, Africa)... do you suggest the USA goes and fixes their issues as well?

I would also hazard a guess that, due to your fear of Aluminium, you don't' use antiperspirant / deodorant...
 
Magical Realist said:
Why are YOU making a fuss over it? People need to be informed of the toxic effects of Thimerasol before they can opt for Thimerasol-free vaccines, assuming its even an option at the doctor's office. I would guess it isn't, especially in other countries. Then there's the issue of the aluminum in vaccines too. Is that even safe? Studies suggest it isn't. See previous posts on this.
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You get more mercury in a tuna sandwich.
 
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