USA: Birthed as a Christian nation.

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Quigly

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The Mayflower Compact: We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God of Great Britain, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, etc. Having undertaken, for the Glory of God and advancement of the Christian Faith and Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the First Colony in the Northern Parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually in the presence of God and one of another, Covenant and Combine ourselves together into a Civil Body Politic, for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute and frame such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the Colony, unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names at Cape Cod, the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France and Ireland the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini 1620.


It appears that the first colony in N. America was founded upon christianity. Was it that they were going to a country to practice any religion how they wanted or was it that they were coming to America to practice christianity how they wanted to? Any thoughts.
 
An uncommitted mythopath is much better than a committed one.

At least they care less about being delusional.
 
And what a birth it was

By the end of the 17th century, the Christians would be hauling women half-naked through the streets in winter in the back of horsecarts, whipping them publicly for the simple crime of disagreeing with a Christian preacher in the abstract.

The Mayflower's pilgrims were religious refugees; I would expect their compact to reflect their faith.

We must bear in mind, though, the history of Religious Toleration. Maryland is a perfect example. By the time we reach the US Constitution, the necessity of a wall between church and state is obvious.

Anne Hutchinson may have been banished from the Massachusetts colony, but she flat-out defeated the religious heirarchy during her trial. The dissenter, the rejected, the outcast, is the bright spot of Christian faith, and the community rejects that glimmer.

I'm not sure the notion of founding a Christian nation is something modern Christians would want to celebrate. The founding and growth of this country includes a steady diet of behavior most un-Christian.

Oh, well. Not like that stopped 'em.

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Tiassa :cool:
 
Originally posted by Quigly
by the Grace of God of Great Britain, France and Ireland,
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Who said anything about America here, all I hear is a bunch of illigal immigrants praising their countries. If I saw them back then, I would tell them, Go back to Europe where you came from.
 
The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate, but only the third time a vote was unanimous (the next time was to honor George Washington). There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty. It was reprinted in full in three newspapers - two in Philadelphia, one in New York City. There is no record of public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers.
 
Originally posted by Quigly
The Mayflower Compact: We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God of Great Britain, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, etc. Having undertaken, for the Glory of God and advancement of the Christian Faith and Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the First Colony in the Northern Parts of Virginia...
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Sounds the like the birth of an English colony to me. Where exactly in the Mayflower Compact did they establish the United States of America?

~Raithere
 
Quote from Quigly:


“It appears that the first colony in N. America was founded upon christianity.”


No. Not true. Check this out.


http://www.rbls.lib.il.us/dpl/ref/hist/hid/histhidlost.htm


And this:


http://www.apva.org/history/


These earliest attempts to gain a lasting foothold in North America were driven more by profit motive than religion. The company involved with both Jamestown and the later Pilgrims was known as “The Virginia Company of London”.


http://www.nps.gov/colo/Jthanout/VACompany.html



The conclusion stated in your title is false. America was founded by a variety of immigrants with diverse cultures and religions. America has never been and will never be a xian nation.
 
Originally posted by AKA Heathen
Quote from Quigly:


“It appears that the first colony in N. America was founded upon christianity.”


These earliest attempts to gain a lasting foothold in North America were driven more by profit motive than religion. The company involved with both Jamestown and the later Pilgrims was known as “The Virginia Company of London”.
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Profit and religion go hand in hand with Jewish religions like Christianity.

http://www.fuckchrist.com/
 
hmmm, it never seems to strike the Christian right as odd that despite their claims to a Christian Nation, or the religious motives of the constitutional writers, the founding fathers were largely Deists ...Why any Deist would want a Christian nation is beyond me...
 
Things change over time. Just because we might have been founded as somthing dosn't mean we are locked in that role for eternity.
 
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