US warships frightened by Iranian boats; War of Terror; US foreign policy, etc...

[Buffalo Roam]

 

[iceaura]

But not with out a victory,

Too late.

It's damage control, from here on out.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Too late.

It's damage control, from here on out.

Yes, the Democrats are working over time on Damage Control, they screwed the pooch on this one big time.

They guessed wrong on the surge, and they pissed of their Moveon.org, cut and run crowd by not being able to out maneuver the President of the withdrawal.

 

[S.A.M.]

B

I am not aware of us funding any extremists. So if you can provide detail, it would be appreciated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KjS_nzoRYU

Do some reading SAM, most Americans want our troops out of there.

Fat lot of good that does these people

Witnesses said the Marines fired indiscriminately at pedestrians and people in cars, buses and taxis in six locations along a 10-mile stretch of the road, according to a report issued by Afghanistan's Independent Human Rights Commission.

An Army brigade commander, 10th Mountain Division Col. John Nicholson, apologized in May, saying he was "deeply, deeply ashamed and terribly sorry that Americans have killed and wounded innocent Afghan people." Initial reports pegged the number of dead at 10 or 12, but Nicholson said officials had concluded 19 died and 50 were injured.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Jan07/0,4670,AfghanMarinesShooting,00.html

http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm

"What causes the documented high level of civilian casualties -- 3,000 - 3,400 [October 7, 2001 thru March 2002] civilian deaths -- in the U.S. air war upon Afghanistan? The explanation is the apparent willingness of U.S. military strategists to fire missiles into and drop bombs upon, heavily populated areas of Afghanistan."

Three weeks before the 2006 midterm elections gave Democrats control of Congress, a shocking study reported on the number of Iraqis who had died in the ongoing war. It bolstered criticism of President Bush and heightened the waves of dread -- here and around the world -- about the U.S. occupation of Iraq.

Published by The Lancet, a venerable British medical journal, the study [PDF] used previously accepted methods for calculating death rates to estimate the number of "excess" Iraqi deaths after the 2003 invasion at 426,369 to 793,663; the study said the most likely figure was near the middle of that range: 654,965. Almost 92 percent of the dead, the study asserted, were killed by bullets, bombs, or U.S. air strikes.

http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/databomb/index.htm

SAM, when I said with draw troops, I was refering to troops in Iraq. As Buffalo points out, our Naval vessels are in the Gulf at the request of the Gulf States. So they will continue to patrol the Gulf as long as the Gulf States want them.

You mean the democratic governments of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait?

 

[Buffalo Roam]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KjS_nzoRYU



Fat lot of good that does these people


http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Jan07/0,4670,AfghanMarinesShooting,00.html

http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm


http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/databomb/index.htm



You mean the democratic governments of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait?

Mr. Moreno-Ocampo rejected complaints activists had filed with the ICC accusing the U.S. of atrocities in Iraq. "The death of civilians during an armed conflict, no matter how grave and regrettable, does not in itself constitute a war crime," Mr. Moreno-Ocampo wrote, absent such factors as the deliberate targeting of civilians.

 

[S.A.M.]

Mr. Moreno-Ocampo rejected complaints activists had filed with the ICC accusing the U.S. of atrocities in Iraq. "The death of civilians during an armed conflict, no matter how grave and regrettable, does not in itself constitute a war crime," Mr. Moreno-Ocampo wrote, absent such factors as the deliberate targeting of civilians.

Yup, that's right.

Deliberate targeting of civilians.

Like in Haditha

Except that the CIA will probably burn all the evidence if there is any, the US will whisk people off to secret prisons and no one is doing body counts.

Aren't you proud of your country?

/spits

 

[spidergoat]

I'll give you the benefit and assume you are using humour. No provocation? The USA has provoked Iran ever since the crazies overthrew the American's thug puppet over thirty years ago.

Iranian warships off Long Island would not be provocation? Americans just don't get it and how hypocritical the rest of the world sees them. :bugeye: Whose troops are on who's border....thousands of miles away from their own borders. hint:...Iran didn't invade Canada and Mexico.

Long Island isn't the same kind of international shipping route. It's more like the Panama Canal.

 

[S.A.M.]

Ever hear crap like this before?

The suicides of three detainees at the US base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, amount to acts of war, the US military says.

The camp commander said the two Saudis and a Yemeni were "committed" and had killed themselves in "an act of asymmetric warfare waged against us".

Fucking a.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5068606.stm

William Goodman from the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights told AFP news agency the three dead men were "heroes for those of us who believe in basic American values of justice, fairness and democracy".

Mr Goodman, whose organisation represents some 300 detainees, said the government had denied them that.

Ken Roth, head of Human Rights Watch in New York, told the BBC the men had probably been driven by despair.

"These people are despairing because they are being held lawlessly," he said.

"There's no end in sight. They're not being brought before any independent judges. They're not being charged and convicted for any crime."

Bah!

 

[joepistole]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KjS_nzoRYU

* The clip alluded to Bush illegally funding some groups. If that is the case, he will be dealt with through due process of law...especially now that we have a Democratic controlled congress.

Fat lot of good that does these people
* We have to follow due process of law, else we have chaos.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Jan07/0,4670,AfghanMarinesShooting,00.html

* When the enemy hides behind civilians, innocent people will get hurt. If the Marines were being fired on they have the right to return fire and defend themselves. The goodness here is that the Marines are conducting an investigation and if wrong doing is found they will take care the appropriate measures. If we Americans were as bad as you think we are, we would not take the time to do an investigation. When was the last time you saw a dictatorship conduct an open investigation like the Marine Corps..never? That gets back to my point, we try to do the right thing.

The solution is for the Taliban and others is to stop hiding behind the burkas of women and fight like men.

http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm


http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/databomb/index.htm



You mean the democratic governments of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait?

* UAR, Dubai, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar

 

[S.A.M.]

* The clip alluded to Bush illegally funding some groups. If that is the case, he will be dealt with through due process of law...especially now that we have a Democratic controlled congress.


* We have to follow due process of law, else we have chaos.

* When the enemy hides behind civilians, innocent people will get hurt. If the Marines were being fired on they have the right to return fire and defend themselves. The goodness here is that the Marines are conducting an investigation and if wrong doing is found they will take care the appropriate measures. If we Americans were as bad as you think we are, we would not take the time to do an investigation. When was the last time you saw a dictatorship conduct an open investigation like the Marine Corps..never? That gets back to my point, we try to do the right thing.


* UAR, Dubai, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar

*what laws

*what laws

*Bull. shit.

*more democracy in action.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Yup, that's right.

Deliberate targeting of civilians.

Like in Haditha

Except that the CIA will probably burn all the evidence if there is any, the US will whisk people off to secret prisons and no one is doing body counts.

Aren't you proud of your country?

/spits

Dam right I am.

Mr. Moreno-Ocampo rejected complaints activists had filed with the ICC accusing the U.S. of atrocities in Iraq. "The death of civilians during an armed conflict, no matter how grave and regrettable, does not in itself constitute a war crime," Mr. Moreno-Ocampo wrote, absent such factors as the deliberate targeting of civilians

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It was found that the Marines didn't deliberately target civilians in Haditha and charges have been dropped


On April 17, 2007, the Marine Corps dropped all charges against Sgt. Sanick P. Dela Cruz in exchange for immunity during testimony.

On August 9, 2007, all charges against Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt and Capt. Randy Stone were dropped.[34]

On September 18, 2007, all charges against Captain Lucas McConnell were dropped. [47]

The investigating officer recommended charges be dropped against LCpl. Stephen Tatum.


BLACKFIVE: Marine Cleared in Haditha Investigation
After making public charges that the U.S. Marines were guilty of war crimes at Haditha, the USMC has cleared them of these false charges according to a ...
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2007/07/marine-cleared-.html

Officer: Drop murder charges against Haditha Marine North County ...
Officer: Drop murder charges against Haditha Marine By: MARK WALKER - Staff Writer Official recommends Wuterich should be tried for negligent homicide in ...
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/10/04/military/12_03_4110_3_07.txt

 

[S.A.M.]

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It was found that the Marines didn't deleberatly target civilians in Haditha and charges have been dropped.

Yeah I bet if I murdered one year olds and was judge and jury at my trial I would get off too.

Thanks for confirming how little real respect for justice the US has.

Witnesses to the slayings of as many as two dozen Iraqi civilians, allegedly by US Marines, in the western town of Haditha in November say the Americans shot men, women, and children at close range in retaliation for the death of a Marine lance corporal in a roadside bombing.


Aws Fahmi, a Haditha resident who said he watched and listened from his home as Marines went from house to house killing members of three families, recalled hearing his neighbor across the street, Younis Salim Khafif, plead in English for the lives of himself and his family.

``I heard Younis speaking to the Americans, saying: `I am a friend. I am good,' " said Fahmi. ``But they killed him, and his wife and daughters."

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Yeah I bet if I murdered one year olds and was judge and jury at my trial I would get off too.

Thanks for confirming how little real respect for laws the US has.

BAM bigot.

 

[S.A.M.]

BAM bigot.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

Angered that a beloved member of his squad had been killed in an explosion, a U.S. Marine urinated on one of the 24 dead Iraqi civilians killed by his unit in Haditha, the Marine testified on Wednesday.

Sgt. Sanick Dela Cruz, who has immunity from prosecution after murder charges against him were dismissed, also said he watched his squad leader shoot down five Iraqi civilians who were trying to surrender.

Mendoza said Marines under Wuterich's command began clearing nearby houses suspected of containing insurgents responsible for the bombing.

At one house Wuterich gave an order to shoot on sight as Marines waited for a response after knocking on the door, said Mendoza.

"He said 'Just wait till they open the door, then shoot,'" Mendoza said.

Mendoza then said he shot and killed an adult male who appeared in a doorway.

During a subsequent search of the house, Mendoza said he received an order from another Marine, Lance Corporal Stephen Tatum, to shoot seven women and children he had found in a rear bedroom.

"When I opened the door there was just women and kids, two adults were lying down on the bed and there were three children on the bed ... two more were behind the bed," Mendoza said.

"I looked at them for a few seconds. Just enough to know they were not presenting a threat ... they looked scared."

After leaving the room Mendoza told Tatum what he had found.

"I told him there were women and kids inside there. He said 'Well, shoot them,'" Mendoza told prosecutor Lieutenant Colonel Sean Sullivan.

"And what did you say to him?" Sullivan asked.

"I said 'But they're just women and children.' He didn't say nothing."

Mendoza said he returned to a position at the front of the house and heard a door open behind him followed by a loud noise. Returning later that afternoon to conduct body retrieval, Mendoza said he found a room full of corpses.

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/spits

House #1 -- 7 killed, 2 injured (but survived), 2 escaped
1. Abdul Hamid Hassan Ali, 76 -- grandfather, father and husband. Died with nine rounds in the chest and abdomen.
2. Khamisa Tuma Ali, 66 -- wife of Abdul Hamid Hassan Ali
3. Rashid Abdul Hamid, 30.
4. Walid Abdul Hamid Hassan, 35.
5. Jahid Abdul Hamid Hassan, middle-aged man.
6. Asma Salman Rasif, 32.
7. Abdullah Walid, 4.
Injured: Iman, 8, and Abdul Rahman, 5.
Escaped: Daughter-in-law, Hibbah, escaped with 2-month-old Asia
House #2 -- 8 killed, 1 survivor: Shot at close range and attacked with grenades
8. Younis Salim Khafif, 43 -- husband of Aeda Yasin Ahmed, father.
9. Aeda Yasin Ahmed, 41 -- wife of Younis Salim Khafif, killed trying to shield her youngest daughter Aisha.
10. Muhammad Younis Salim, 8 -- son.
11. Noor Younis Salim, 14 -- daughter.
12. Sabaa Younis Salim, 10 -- daughter.
13. Zainab Younis Salim, 5 -- daughter.
14. Aisha Younis Salim, 3 -- daughter.
15. A 1-year-old girl staying with the family.
Survived: Safa Younis Salim, 13.
House #3 -- 4 brothers killed
16. Jamal Ahmed, 41.
17. Marwan Ahmed, 28.
18. Qahtan Ahmed, 24.
19. Chasib Ahmed, 27.
Taxi -- 5 killed: Passengers were students at the Technical Institute in Saqlawiyah
20. Ahmed Khidher, taxi driver.
21. Akram Hamid Flayeh.
22. Khalid Ayada al-Zawi.
23. Wajdi Ayada al-Zawi.
24. Mohammed Battal Mahmoud.
Source: United for Peace and Justice[17]

 

[Buffalo Roam]

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/spits

Sorry Bigot but the court had access to the full information about Haditha, and video from the drone on station giving live feed back to HQ, and the video didn't back up the the action as reported by Sgt. Sanick Dela Cruz,

SpAM, video, shows the whole thing, and the problem was the video had to be declassified to be used in the investigation, while that was taking place the news media, lynched the Marines in the action, it was know that there was video, and that it would be released to the Investigation, but the declassification had to go through channels, and that took time, but when the video was reviewed by the Trial Board it cleared the Marines, so sorry that your such a Bigot and don't have any use for Justice, but thank God you weren't the one judging the evidence, I doubt that you would have even believed the evidence of your own eyes in your thirst for blood.uke:

 

[joepistole]

SAM. war is hell. Unlike a lot of countries, when the United States finds its soldiers have not acted in accordance with the law, they have been punished. And it is a sad fact as Buffalo mentions civilians unfortunately do get hurt in war...especially if the enemy uses them as sheilds.

 

[one_raven]

3 US warships in the Strait of Hormuz were threatened by 5 small Iranian boats.

USS Cole

 

[S.A.M.]

Sorry Bigot but the court had access to the full information about Haditha, and video from the drone on station giving live feed back to HQ, and the video didn't back up the the action as reported by Sgt. Sanick Dela Cruz,

SpAM, video, shows the whole thing, and the problem was the video had to be declassified to be used in the investigation, while that was taking place the news media, lynched the Marines in the action, it was know that there was video, and that it would be released to the Investigation, but the declassification had to go through channels, and that took time, but when the video was reviewed by the Trial Board it cleared the Marines, so sorry that your such a Bigot and don't have any use for Justice, but thank God you weren't the one judging the evidence, I doubt that you would have even believed the evidence of your own eyes in your thirst for blood.uke:

Of course.

 

[S.A.M.]

SAM. war is hell. Unlike a lot of countries, when the United States finds its soldiers have not acted in accordance with the law, they have been punished. And it is a sad fact as Buffalo mentions civilians unfortunately do get hurt in war...especially if the enemy uses them as sheilds.

Killing a roomful of women and children (one year and three year olds) does not constitute combat.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Killing a roomful of women and children (one year and three year olds) does not constitute combat.

When that room is being use by the enemy as a ambush point, it does,

Mr. Moreno-Ocampo rejected complaints activists had filed with the ICC accusing the U.S. of atrocities in Iraq. "The death of civilians during an armed conflict, no matter how grave and regrettable, does not in itself constitute a war crime," Mr. Moreno-Ocampo wrote, absent such factors as the deliberate targeting of civilians