US warships frightened by Iranian boats; War of Terror; US foreign policy, etc...

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sandy said:
The USA is NOT the one who openly declared that they want to "wipe the USA and Israel off the map". That was your little terrorist puke Iminajihad. :mad:
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Mine? Thinking in black and white like a true american, well done!

At least whoever said that had the balls to come out and say it rather than lying like us "good guys".
 
There is much for the US Navy to fear in the Persian Gulf. The mission of the Iranian fast boats was probably a tickle, where shore stations monitored the visible and electronic response that US warships in the channel made to the patrol-boat display. Should Iran ever engage the US Navy in the straits and/or decide to blockade the Gulf, their arsenal includes extremely fast and lethal weapons systems, and the Iranians tasked with targeting need intelligence to best prepare.

Just as we routinely do in the US Navy, potential adversaries are periodically prodded for initial threat-response for intelligence and targeting purposes by Iranian forces. The Strait of Hormuz is a particularly dense shooting-gallery, and Iran has for many years been purchasing and developing at great cost its own fast torpedos (Shkval variants), fast missiles (such as Sunburn and Silkworm) and stealthy seabed-deployed mines. In such close quarters bristling with advanced and hardened shore and seabed batteries, all ships are vulnerable, as are US shore installations across the Gulf.

Iran is not likely to initiate hostilities with the US Navy. But Iran has made Hormuz a potentially deadly gauntlet for any ships squeezing through. It's a reasonable assumption that no serious U.S. provocations will occur while there is a carrier battle group, or any concentration of naval assets vulnerably filing through the Hormuz shooting-gallery. Likewise, Iran is unlikely to wastefully accept retaliatory US strikes that would neutralize many, if not all of the Iranian batteries. Even then, "Many destroyed" would be cold comfort for the first vessels running the gauntlet after opening hostilities.

With these realities in mind, it is sheer bravado to say that the Navy has nothing to fear from Iran. It is foolish to dismiss Iranian naval capabilities as inept, unimpressive, or laughable. Battle groups are always vulnerable in confined waters, and US Sailors are particularly under the gun in the Persian Gulf.
 
Good post, hype.
But I think Iran will piss off not only the US, but its neighbours too, if it screws with Hormuz. So Iran will face a strong coalition of countries all around it to clear the passage.

It's a very high stakes game for Iran. And because it's such a tight spot, it'd be relatively easy to patrol.
 
joepistole said:
SAM when I see you and Buffy go at it. It reminds me of an old quotation from the Jesus, "truth will make you free". The truth is somewhere between the two extremes. But I am starting to get the feeling that you just like to pull Buffy's strings. :)
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Thats not what you should be thinking.

You should be thinking:

"The truth will set you free" requires first that lies, secrecy, intimidation and coercion are not allowed to flourish. If there is suppression of teh truth, how can it set you free.:)
 
sandy said:
The USA is NOT the one who openly declared that they want to "wipe the USA and Israel off the map". That was your little terrorist puke Iminajihad
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First sighting of that misquote expansion.

Anybody seen where that comes from? Sandy seldom invents.
 
S.A.M. said:
Thats not what you should be thinking.

You should be thinking:

"The truth will set you free" requires first that lies, secrecy, intimidation and coercion are not allowed to flourish. If there is suppression of teh truth, how can it set you free.:)
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But is your truth reality? or just bigotry.
 
reality is dead children in Haditha and elsewhere

reality is cluster bombing civilians

reality is "we don't do body counts"

reality is missing money and oil

reality is contracts

reality is privatisation of Iraqi assets with profits going to US.

reality is Abu Ghraib and Gitmo

reality is Iraq today
 
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S.A.M. said:
reality is dead children in Haditha
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Reality is the Video, that shows it was your terrorist heros who were the cause of the action and using the houses cover in a ambush.

I would have loved for the investigation to have been able to autopsy the bodies, and see exactly what caliber the bullets in them were, I'm willing to bet that more than a few 5.45mm 50 gr., or 7.62, 123 gr., and we don't use those caliber or weight of bullet.
 
Interesting that you would even make the marines out to be complete liars, especially when the official story by the US has changed every time a piece of evidence was put forward. Until they took control of the trial and decided what the evidence should be.
 
S.A.M. said:
reality is Iraq today
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And the reality of today is that the biggest generator of casualties among civilians are the al Queda and the terrorist that you love and respect so much, after all they are killing in the name of Allah and Mohammad, so that make it just dandy, huh SpAM?

Here is the reality from Iraq Body Count;

131 murdered by Terrorist SpAM :bravo:

07 killed by U.S.

SpAM 131

Buffalo 07



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Incidents
IBC page Latest incidents added Date
k8827 Diwaniya intelligence officer shot dead in south Najaf 1 Dec 2007
k8755 Three by roadside bomb on outskirts of Baqouba 30 Nov 2007
k8754 Two shot dead in Khalis and Muqdadiya 30 Nov 2007
k8753 Three by mortar shells in Hibhib 30 Nov 2007
k8752 Three bodies found shot dead in Baghdad 30 Nov 2007
k8751 Three Awakening Council members in clashes with gunmen, Albu Badran 30 Nov 2007
k8750 Restaurant owner shot dead in Kirkuk 30 Nov 2007
k8749 Guard of Hawijah mayor shot dead in Hawijah 29 Nov 2007
k8748 Son of sheikh shot dead on Dour – Al Bou Ajeel road, near Tikrit 29 Nov 2007
k8746 Two police in clashes with gunmen, Okasha, near Syrian border 29 Nov 2007
k8745 One by roadside bomb near Shaab Stadium, Baghdad 29 Nov 2007
k8744 Four police by car bomb in Al-Shirqat 29 Nov 2007
k8743 Six bodies found shot dead in Baghdad 29 Nov 2007
k8742 Twelve by Katyusha rockes, Al-Salam area 29 Nov 2007
k8741 0-1 by bomb in minibus in Palestine Street, Baghdad 29 Nov 2007
k8740 Man at used car dealership shot dead in Al Hawija 28 Nov 2007
k8739 Three by roadside bomb, Nafaq al-Shurta, Baghdad 28 Nov 2007
k8737 Policeman shot dead in Al-Karama, east Mosul 28 Nov 2007
k8736 Two men shot dead in Al-Wasiti, Kirkuk 28 Nov 2007
k8735 Mayor of al-Zohour district, Tikrit, shot dead 28 Nov 2007
k8734 Three bodies found shot dead in Baghdad 28 Nov 2007
k8733 Five by mortar rounds in Haqlaniya 28 Nov 2007
k8732 Five by rocket in market in Haditha 27 Nov 2007
k8731 Woman by grenade, Dora, Baghdad 27 Nov 2007
k8730 Two in clashes between police and gunmen, Masaruf , west Mosul 27 Nov 2007
k8729 One shot dead in central Tikrit 27 Nov 2007
k8728 One shot dead west of Kirkuk 27 Nov 2007
k8726 Four bodies found shot dead in Mosul 27 Nov 2007
k8725 Five bodies found shot dead in Baghdad 27 Nov 2007
k8724 Two bodies found by Al-Zab River, west Kirkuk 27 Nov 2007
k8723 Policeman shot dead in Hawijah 27 Nov 2007
k8722 One by roadside bomb in Al-Salam/Wardiya, Dali Abbas 27 Nov 2007
k8721 Two by US gunfire, nr, Ibn Hayan Bridge, Tobj, Baghdad 27 Nov 2007
k8720 Shiite tribal leader shot dead in Albu Aziz, near Baquba 27 Nov 2007
k8719 1-2 by female suicide bomber in Al-Amin, Baquba 27 Nov 2007
k8718 8-9 by suicide bomber at police HQ in Baquba 27 Nov 2007
k8717 4 bank employees, three of them women shot dead by US forces, Al-Shaab, Baghdad 27 Nov 2007
k8716 Bodies of four prisoners found shot dead, Biji to Tikrit road 26 Nov 2007-
27 Nov 2007
k8715 Member of local anti-Al Qaeda group shot dead in Kanan 26 Nov 2007
k8714 One shot dead from motorcycle in Kut 26 Nov 2007
k8713 Woman and two children from previously displaced family shot dead in Saidiya, Baghdad 26 Nov 2007
k8712 Woman shot dead in Al Banat market in Basra 26 Nov 2007
k8711 Policeman shot dead in home in Kut 26 Nov 2007
k8710 Man in car shot dead in Nadir, central Hilla 26 Nov 2007
k8709 Four bodies found tortured and shot in Baghdad 26 Nov 2007
k8708 Two men and a child by US troops near Bayji 26 Nov 2007
k8707 One by roadside bomb in Mosul 26 Nov 2007
k8706 Two bodies found in Mosul 26 Nov 2007
k8727 Fifteen kidnapped prisoners found shot dead in Ninewa 25 Nov 2007-
27 Nov 2007
k8705 Two brothers shot dead in Mandali 25 Nov 2007
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How do you tell al Qaeda (Sunni extremists) from Sunni extremists?

Which one is this? Or is he Saudi? Or Shia? Or Kurdish?

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Do you know 75-90% of deaths are not reported, like those due to cluster bombing and air raids?
 
S.A.M. said:
Interesting that you would even make the marines out to be complete liars, especially when the official story by the US has changed every time a piece of evidence was put forward. Until they took control of the trial and decided what the evidence should be.
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No SpAM, I don't make them out to be liars, that is you and you alone, the investigation took all evidence, and then walked it through the eye of the UAV video, and the video show that there were Terrorist in the houses, and that the ambush was initiated from the housing, I would love for them to release the video, but I know that isn't possible because it would reveal the total capability of the system.

As for your saying the story changed everytime a piece was brought forward, why wouldn't it, the story that you are basing your hang em high attitude is from the news, and not from fact as reveled in the investigation.

The REALITY IS, that the U.S. has, when the fact warranted tried and convicted those of our own who have crossed the line and committed crimes, can the same be said of your Bloody Terrorist Brothers, I have seen no investigation of their actions, I have seen no charges entered against them by you or Islamic Courts, I have not even seen you post any condemnation of their actions, and they are killing according to Body Count Iraq at a rate of 131 to 7.


Here is the reality from Iraq Body Count;

131 murdered by Terrorist SpAM

07 killed by U.S.

SpAM 131

Buffalo 07
 
So, Iran sent speedboats to harrass us, because innocent people were killed in Haditha?
 
It's amusing how the folks like Buffalo Roam portray Muslims but they get a hard on wanting to invade and occupy Muslim countries.

Tell you what Buffalo Roam, you are 100% right. Your USA can keep Iraq. It's ALL yours to do with as you please. ALL yours. Your prize. You deserve the whole shebang.
 
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spidergoat said:
So, Iran sent speedboats to harrass us, because innocent people were killed in Haditha?
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If Iran had invaded and killed people in Mexico and you saw 3 Iranian warships off your coast vs Iran had done nothing and you saw...oops this does not work with Americans, does it?:)
 
Buffalo Roam said:
No SpAM, I don't make them out to be liars
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Then you're incredibly obtuse to have missed all the changed stories they made up.

So what you are saying is that a ten year old (or two) who saw her entirely family massacred in front of her eyes is lying, and the US government that invaded a country on false pretences and has secret prisons of torture is telling the truth.

Bravo!
 
S.A.M. said:
How do you tell al Qaeda (Sunni extremists) from Sunni extremists?

Which one is this? Or is he Saudi? Or Shia? Or Kurdish?

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S.A.M. said:
Do you know 75-90% of deaths are not reported, like those due to cluster bombing and air raids?
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Now you just prove that, confermable number, and citation.

There is no undereporting that approaches 75% let alone 90% in th eworld today with the transparence of the world it isn't possable to do that.

From Body Count Iraq;

Reality checks: some responses to the latest Lancet estimates
Hamit Dardagan, John Sloboda, and Josh Dougherty

Summary
A new study has been released by the Lancet medical journal estimating over 650,000 excess deaths in Iraq. The Iraqi mortality estimates published in the Lancet in October 2006 imply, among other things, that:

On average, a thousand Iraqis have been violently killed every single day in the first half of 2006, with less than a tenth of them being noticed by any public surveillance mechanisms;
Some 800,000 or more Iraqis suffered blast wounds and other serious conflict-related injuries in the past two years, but less than a tenth of them received any kind of hospital treatment;
Over 7% of the entire adult male population of Iraq has already been killed in violence, with no less than 10% in the worst affected areas covering most of central Iraq;
Half a million death certificates were received by families which were never officially recorded as having been issued;
The Coalition has killed far more Iraqis in the last year than in earlier years containing the initial massive "Shock and Awe" invasion and the major assaults on Falluja.
If these assertions are true, they further imply:

incompetence and/or fraud on a truly massive scale by Iraqi officials in hospitals and ministries, on a local, regional and national level, perfectly coordinated from the moment the occupation began
bizarre and self-destructive behaviour on the part of all but a small minority of 800,000 injured, mostly non-combatant, Iraqis;
the utter failure of local or external agencies to notice and respond to a decimation of the adult male population in key urban areas;
an abject failure of the media, Iraqi as well as international, to observe that Coalition-caused events of the scale they reported during the three-week invasion in 2003 have been occurring every month for over a year.
In the light of such extreme and improbable implications, a rational alternative conclusion to be considered is that the authors have drawn conclusions from unrepresentative data. In addition, totals of the magnitude generated by this study are unnecessary to brand the invasion and occupation of Iraq a human and strategic tragedy
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No SpAM, I don't make them out to be liars, that is you and you alone, the investigation took all evidence, and then walked it through the eye of the UAV video, and the video show that there were Terrorist in the houses, and that the ambush was initiated from the housing, I would love for them to release the video, but I know that isn't possible because it would reveal the total capability of the system.

As for your saying the story changed everytime a piece was brought forward, why wouldn't it, the story that you are basing your hang em high attitude is from the news, and not from fact as reveled in the investigation.

The REALITY IS, that the U.S. has, when the fact warranted tried and convicted those of our own who have crossed the line and committed crimes, can the same be said of your Bloody Terrorist Brothers, I have seen no investigation of their actions, I have seen no charges entered against them by you or Islamic Courts, I have not even seen you post any condemnation of their actions, and they are killing according to Body Count Iraq at a rate of 131 to 7.
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