US: 30 shot at school, China: 22 knifed at school

[Syzygys]

At the same time a 24 year old was shooting elementary kids (18 dead) in Connecticut, this happened in China:

"Chinese authorities have detained a man who injured 22 children in a knife attack at a primary school in Henan province, authorities told state news. Two children are in critical condition and one adult was also injured in the attack, which happened at the entrance of the school. Security at China's schools has been heightened in recent years, following a deluge of similar knife attacks in 2010 that left nearly 20 children dead. The 39-year-old male suspect was arrested on the scene and is believed to be mentally ill."

Apparently you don't need a gun to hurt dozens of people.

 

[spidergoat]

At the same time a 24 year old was shooting elementary kids (18 dead) in Connecticut, this happened in China:

"Chinese authorities have detained a man who injured 22 children in a knife attack at a primary school in Henan province, authorities told state news. Two children are in critical condition and one adult was also injured in the attack, which happened at the entrance of the school. Security at China's schools has been heightened in recent years, following a deluge of similar knife attacks in 2010 that left nearly 20 children dead. The 39-year-old male suspect was arrested on the scene and is believed to be mentally ill."

Apparently you don't need a gun to hurt dozens of people.

Many more fatalities in the US incident, not that I'm against gun ownership.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

Tragic. I'll speculate that they folks who killed these children were depressed or angry about their place / future in society so they got revenge or followed their instinct to remove future competition (much like other animals will kill young of their own species that belong to different parents).

 

[Rhaedas]

Many more fatalities in the US incident, not that I'm against gun ownership.

I agree that a blanket argument of "all guns bad" isn't attacking the root cause. But it's also true that the range of a knife is a lot less than a hail of bullets. I will add: automatic weapons are for one purpose, and that's to kill as many people as possible, so like a lot of things, there's gun control and then there's gun control.

 

[billvon]

Apparently you don't need a gun to hurt dozens of people.

But apparently (per these two stories at least) you do need a gun to kill them.

 

[Magical Realist]

I agree that a blanket argument of "all guns bad" isn't attacking the root cause. But it's also true that the range of a knife is a lot less than a hail of bullets. I will add: automatic weapons are for one purpose, and that's to kill as many people as possible, so like a lot of things, there's gun control and then there's gun control.

Right on! Over and over again we hear the same thing. Shooter in theater carried an automatic weapon. Shooter in mall carried an automatic weapon. Shooter in elementary school carried an automatic weapon. Can't we connect the dots here? How long will it be till we ban these instruments of murder?

 

[Bells]

At the same time a 24 year old was shooting elementary kids (18 dead) in Connecticut, this happened in China:

"Chinese authorities have detained a man who injured 22 children in a knife attack at a primary school in Henan province, authorities told state news. Two children are in critical condition and one adult was also injured in the attack, which happened at the entrance of the school. Security at China's schools has been heightened in recent years, following a deluge of similar knife attacks in 2010 that left nearly 20 children dead. The 39-year-old male suspect was arrested on the scene and is believed to be mentally ill."

Apparently you don't need a gun to hurt dozens of people.

Can you tell what the difference is between the mass killing in Connecticut and the knife attack in China?

I'll give you a hint. One involved over 25 people dead (at latest count) and the other, to date, involved no deaths.

Perhaps gun advocates can explain why one should be allowed to freely purchase automatic weapons...

 

[Asguard]

Yea you can kill with a knife BUT it takes a lot more determination to do so and its much harder to kill rapidly.

In spite of what people think most knife attacks are non fatal because people don't know what they are doing, they slash and tend to slash at the chest and the ribs protect the lungs and heart. Even if they slash at the abdomen your unlikely to get a fast fatal bleed. There are a few places you can slash and kill but they have to be VERY deep cuts, the femorals or the carotids. Stabbing is more likely to work but again its much harder than people think to stab someone in the chest

Bullets don't have these limitations, a bullet WILL rip through the ribs with ease and then you can move on to the next victim

When it comes down to it,

how many mass shootings have there been?
Whats the cumulative body count?
Whats the kills per min rate?

How many mass stabbings?
Whats the cumulative body count?
Whats the kills per min rate?

Personally I would rather face an amateur with a knife than one with a gun, I would have a chance with a knife (if nothing else I could try to outrun them)

 

[Saturnine Pariah]

"The killer, armed with two handguns, committed suicide at the school and another person was found dead at a second scene, bringing the toll to 28, authorities said."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-connecticut-school-shooting-20121214,0,4678476.story
Funny how all of you automatically assume (no pun intended) that the shooter used fully automatic weapons. Nowhere does it say that the shooter burst into the class room with a SAW or M60 or any other weapon that had a firing capacity of more than one round per trigger pull. Unless of course your definition of automatic entails any firearm that can fire a single round per trigger pull.:shrug:
I suppose this crime would have taken far longer to commit if the shooter had use two of these.View attachment 6031

 

[Syzygys]

But apparently (per these two stories at least) you do need a gun to kill them.

Actually not. In China 2 years ago the killed managed to kill 20 kids with the knife. Read the story again...

Can you tell what the difference is between the mass killing in Connecticut and the knife attack in China?

2 dozens dead in both? I know, the 2nd accident in Chine had much less or no death so far, but read the story again...

 

[Bells]

"The killer, armed with two handguns, committed suicide at the school and another person was found dead at a second scene, bringing the toll to 28, authorities said."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-connecticut-school-shooting-20121214,0,4678476.story
Funny how all of you automatically assume (no pun intended) that the shooter used fully automatic weapons. Nowhere does it say that the shooter burst into the class room with a SAW or M60 or any other weapon that had a firing capacity of more than one round per trigger pull. Unless of course your definition of automatic entails any firearm that can fire a single round per trigger pull.:shrug:
I suppose this crime would have taken far longer to commit if the shooter had use two of these.View attachment 6031

You are defending guns in a thread discussing the deaths of what twenty children and their teachers?

Really?

Police say there were very few non-fatal injuries reported, indicating that once targeted, there was rarely any chance of escape, and that the gunman was unusually accurate in his fire.

[Source]

That is the reality of what those children faced. Now, do you wish to continue to defend guns some more?

 

[Bells]

Actually not. In China 2 years ago the killed managed to kill 20 kids with the knife. Read the story again...



2 dozens dead in both? I know, the 2nd accident in Chine had much less or no death so far, but read the story again...

Now imagine if the guy in China had a gun.

It never ceases to amaze me how people slither out of the woodwork to defend guns each time there is a mass shooting.

A guy walks into a primary school and murders up to 20 children aged between 5 and 10 and their teachers and other staff who tried to protect them and you come out with that OP.

The US has more mass shootings than I think any country and you all still think that having free and easy access to guns is acceptable and a good thing. It defies logic.

 

[Asguard]

As i said it comes down to easy of killing and kills per min

Which do you think has a higher body county and more kills per min? guns or knives?

The kills per min is sadly important because the slower the kill rate the less will die before the police arrive and can detain or kill the offender

 

[Syzygys]

All it takes is imagination...

"25-year old Tomohiro Kato rams a truck into a crowd of shoppers and proceeds to stab the run-down victims, killing six men and one woman, and injuring 11 others. The perpetrator is currently sentenced to death."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_crimes_in_Japan

"Taiwan - Police in Taiwan say a nursing home resident has confessed to setting a fire that killed 12 people and injured 70 at the facility. Police have not identified the man, who was arrested after the fire devastated the nursing home at 3 a.m. "

http://article.wn.com/view/2012/10/...nursing_home_resident_confesses_to_setting_e/

"Budapest (CNN) -- Police in Hungary say a 24-year-old man killed four people with a sword and injured three others after a family argument."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.363930-Killing-spree-in-Hungary-with-a-twist

 

[Syzygys]

A guy walks into a primary school and murders up to 20 children aged between 5 and 10 and their teachers and other staff who tried to protect them and you come out with that OP.

By the way I am for gun control. Nevertheless the parallels are striking... Here have some more:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010–2011)


" murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping"

"47-year-old Xu Yuyuan went to Zhongxin Kindergarten[9] and stabbed 28 students, two teachers and one security guard;[4] most of the Taixing students were 4 years old"

"Just a few hours after the execution of Zheng Minsheng in neighboring Fujian Province,[5] in Leizhou,[6] Guangdong another knife-wielding man named Chen Kangbing, 33 (陈康炳)[7] at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher"

"An attacker named Wu Huanming (吴环明), 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong,"

"26-year-old Fang Jiantang (方建堂) slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher"

" a young girl and three adults taking their children to nursery school were killed in Gongyi,[19] Henan by 30-year-old Wang Hongbin with an axe"

 

[Asguard]

All it takes is imagination...

"25-year old Tomohiro Kato rams a truck into a crowd of shoppers and proceeds to stab the run-down victims, killing six men and one woman, and injuring 11 others. The perpetrator is currently sentenced to death."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_crimes_in_Japan

"Taiwan - Police in Taiwan say a nursing home resident has confessed to setting a fire that killed 12 people and injured 70 at the facility. Police have not identified the man, who was arrested after the fire devastated the nursing home at 3 a.m. "

http://article.wn.com/view/2012/10/...nursing_home_resident_confesses_to_setting_e/

"Budapest (CNN) -- Police in Hungary say a 24-year-old man killed four people with a sword and injured three others after a family argument."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.363930-Killing-spree-in-Hungary-with-a-twist

So you have found 3 incidents over an unknown time frame across 3 different countries where guns weren't used which killed a total of 22

Compare that to:

February 22, 2012—Five people were killed in at a Korean health spa in Norcross, Georgia, when a man got into an argument and opened fire inside the facility.

February 26, 2012—Multiple gunmen began firing into a nightclub crown in Jackson, Tennessee, killing one person and injuring 20 others.

February 27, 2012—Three students at Chardon High School in rural Ohio were killed when a classmate opened fire.

March 8, 2012—Two people were killed and seven wounded at a psychiatric hospital in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, when a gunman entered the hospital with two semiautomatic handguns and began firing.

March 31, 2012—A gunman opened fire on a crowd of mourners at a North Miami, Florida, funeral home, killing two people and injuring 12 others.

April 2, 2012—A 43-year-old former student at Oikos University in Oakland, California, walked into his former school and killed seven people, “execution-style.” Three people were wounded.

April 6, 2012—Two men went on a deadly shooting spree in Tulsa, Oklahoma, shooting black men at random in an apparently racially motivated attack. Three men died and two were wounded.

May 29, 2012—A man in Seattle, Washington, opened fire in a coffee shop and killed five people and then himself.

July 9, 2012—At a soccer tournament in Wilmington, Delaware, three people were killed, including a 16-year-old player and the event organizer, when multiple gunmen began firing shots, apparently targeting the organizer.

July 20, 2012—James Holmes enters a midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises and opens fire with a semi-automatic weapon; twelve people are killed and fifty-eight are wounded.

August 5, 2012—A white supremacist and former Army veteran shot six people to death inside a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee, Wisconsin, before killing himself.

August 14, 2012—Three people were killed at Texas A&M University when a 35-year-old man went on a shooting rampage; one of the dead was a police officer.

September 27, 2012—A 36-year-old man who had just been laid off from Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, Minnesota, entered his former workplace and shot five people to death, and wounded three others before killing himself.

October 21, 2012—45-year-old Radcliffe Frankin Haughton shot three women to death, including his wife, Zina Haughton, and injured four others at a spa in Brookfield, Wisconsin, before killing himself.

December 11, 2012—A 22-year-old began shooting at random at a mall near Portland, Oregon, killing two people and then himself.

December 14, 2012—One man, and possibly more, murders a reported twenty-six people at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, including twenty children, before killing himself.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/171774/fifteen-us-mass-shootings-happened-2012-84-dead#

At least 88 dead in ONE YEAR (which isn't even over yet) in ONE country (as far as I saw)

Which are more lethal?

 

[Asguard]

I don't know how well this will work but here goes, Note the letter for each entry

F – Firearms and other ranged weapons, especially rifles and handguns, but also bows and crossbows, grenade launchers, flamethrowers, or slingshots
M – Melee weapons, like knives, swords, spears, machetes, axes, clubs, rods, stones, or bare hands
O – Any other weapons, such as bombs, hand grenades, Molotov cocktails, poison and poisonous gas, as well as vehicle and arson attacks
A – indicates that an arson attack was the only other weapon used
V – indicates that a vehicle was the only other weapon used
E – indicates that explosives of any sort were the only other weapon used
[edit]

The first number is the dead, the second the injured (if you dont like the table here you can read it directly)

First Schools

1. Kehoe, Andrew Philip, 55* May 18 1927 Bath Township, MI U.S. 44 58 FME Committed suicide Also killed numerous animals
2. Cho, Seung-Hui, 23 April 16 2007 Blacksburg, VA U.S. 32 17 F Committed suicide
3. Lanza, Adam, 20* Dec. 14 2012 Newtown, CT U.S. 27 tbd F Dead (possible suicide) [1]
4. Hamilton, Thomas Watt, 43 March 13 1996 Dunblane U.K. 17 13-15 F Committed suicide
5. Steinhäuser, Robert, 19 April 26 2002 Erfurt Germany 16 1 F Committed suicide
6. Whitman, Charles Joseph, 25* July 31 / August 1 1966 Austin, TX U.S. 15 32 FM Shot by police Killed an unborn child
7. Kretschmer, Tim, 17 March 11 2009 Winnenden & Wendlingen Germany 15 9-13 F Committed suicide
8. Lépine, Marc, 25 Dec. 6 1989 Montreal Canada 14 14 FM Committed suicide
9. Harris, Eric David, 18 Klebold, Dylan Bennet, 17 April 20 1999 Columbine, CO U.S. 13 21 F E Both committed suicide
10. Gadirov, Farda, 28 April 30 2009 Baku Azerbaijan 12 13 F Committed suicide [2]
11. Menezes de Oliveira, Wellington, 23 April 7 2011 Rio de Janeiro Brazil 12 12 F Committed suicide
12. Bai Ningyang, 18 (白宁阳) May 8 2006 Shiguan China 12 5 MA Sentenced to death
13. Seifert, Walter, 42 June 11 1964 Volkhoven Germany 10 22 FM Committed suicide
14. Saari, Matti Juhani, 22 Sep. 23 2008 Kauhajoki Finland 10 1-3 F A Committed suicide
15. Wu Huanming, 47 (吴焕明) May 12 2010 Linchang China 9 11 M Committed suicide [3]
16. Weise, Jeffrey James, 16* March 21 2005 Red Lake, MN U.S. 9 5-7 F Committed suicide
17. Yan Yanming, 21 Nov. 26 2004 Ruzhou China 9 3 M Sentenced to death and executed [4]
18. Takuma, Mamoru, 37 June 8 2001 Ikeda, Osaka Japan 8 15 M Sentenced to death and executed
19. Ala Hisham Abu Dheim, 26 (علاء هاشم أبو دهيم) March 6 2008 Jerusalem Israel
8 9-11 F Shot by an armed student
20. Zheng Minsheng, 41 (郑明生) March 23 2010 Nanping China 8 5 M Sentenced to death and executed [5]
21. Auvinen, Pekka-Eric, 18 Nov. 7 2007 Jokela Finland 8 1 F A Committed suicide
22. U Win-maung March 26 1975 Burma 7 5 M Shot dead [6]
23. Wang Xiangjun April 1 1996 Meitian China 7 5 M Arrested [7]
24. Goh, One L., 43 April 2 2012 Oakland, CA U.S. 7 3 F Arrested
25. Li Chihang, 28* (李志衡) June 3 1982 Sham Shui Po Hong Kong 6 40 M Found not guilty by reason of insanity [8]
26. Mohammed Ahmad Misleh al-Nazari, 48 March 30 1997 Sanaa Yemen 6 12 F Sentenced to death and executed [9]
27. Donchev, Branimir, 17 Dec. 24 1974 Durvenitsa Bulgaria 6 10 F Arrested [10]
28. Lepnev, Sergei, 18 (Сергей Лепнев) March 9 1997 Kamyshin Russia
6 2 F Sentenced to death, later changed to life imprisonment [11]
29. Purdy, Patrick Edward, 24 Jan. 17 1989 Stockton, CA U.S. 5 31 F Committed suicide
30. Kazmierczak, Steven Phillip, 27 Feb. 14 2008 DeKalb, IL U.S.
5
18
F Committed suicide
31. Charva, Karel, 34 June 3 1983 Eppstein Germany
5
14
F Committed suicide
Rumored to be killed by angry parents [12]
32. Golden, Andrew Douglas, 11
Johnson, Mitchell Scott, 13 March 24 1998 Jonesboro, AR U.S.
5
10
F Both were imprisoned until their 21st birthday
33. Roberts, Charles Carl, 32 Oct. 2 2006 Nickel Mines, PA U.S.
5
5
F Committed suicide
34. Schmidt, Heinz Jakob Friedrich Ernst, 29 June 20 1913 Bremen German Reich
4
17-24
F Found not guilty by reason of insanity
One more died trying to escape
35. Kinkel, Kipland Philip, 15* May 20/21 1998 Springfield, OR U.S.
4
18
F Sentenced to 111 years in prison [13]
36. Liu Hongwen, 28
(刘洪文) Sep. 30 2004 Linwu County China
4
12
M Found not guilty by reason of insanity [14]
37. De Gelder, Kim, 20 Jan. 16/23 2009 Vrasene & Sint-Gillis-bij-Dendermonde Belgium
4
12
M Arrested
38. Houston, Eric Christopher, 20 May 1 1992 Olivehurst, CA U.S.
4
9-10
F Sentenced to death [15]
39. Lavrynovitch, ---
Obrapalski, --- May 6 1925 Vilnius Poland
3-6
4-11
F E Both committed suicide
40. Fang Jiantang, 26
(方建堂) Aug. 3 2010 Zibo China
3-4
7-20
M Sentenced to death and executed [16]
41. Wu Yechang, 25
(吴业昌) Sep. 21 2012 Pingnan County China
3
13
M Arrested [17]
42. Barbaro, Anthony F., 17 Dec. 30 1974 Olean, NY U.S.
3
9-11
F Committed suicide while awaiting trial
43. Unknown, 21 Nov. 13 1971 Guatemala City Guatemala
2
15
M Arrested [18]
44. Lu Xiaoxi Aug. 1998 Henan China
2
15
M [19]
45. Kausler, Robert, 27 Dec. 21 1972 Erlangen Germany
2
13
F A Perished in the fire [20]
46. Slobodian, Michael Peter, 16 May 28 1975 Brampton Canada
2
13
F Committed suicide
47. Williams, Charles Andrew, 15 March 5 2001 Santee, CA U.S.
2
13
F Sentenced to 50 years to life imprisonment
48. Mitchell, Tyrone, 28 Feb. 24 1984 Los Angeles, CA U.S.
2
12
F Committed suicide [21]
49. Gill, Kimveer Singh, 25 Sep. 13 2006 Montreal Canada
1
19
F Committed suicide
50. Xu Heping, 51
(徐和平) Aug. 4 2004 Beijing China
1
17
M Arrested [22]
51. Dong Chi July 10 1995 Meihekou China
1
16
FMA Shot by police [23]
52. Xu Yuyuan, 47
(徐玉元) April 29 2010 Taixing China
0
32
M Sentenced to death and executed [24]
53. Yang Guozhu, 41
(楊國柱) Sep. 11 2004 Suzhou China
0
28
MO Arrested [25]
54. Jia Qingyou, 36
(賈慶友) Sep. 20 2004 Ying County China
0
25
M Sentenced to death and executed [26]
55. Lin Peiqing
(林培青) Sep. 14 1998 Hejiang County China
0
23
M Sentenced to death and executed [19][27]
56. Min Yingjun, 36
(闵应军) Dec. 14 2012 Chenpeng China
0
23
M Arrested [28]
57. Bosse, Bastian, 18 Nov. 20 2006 Emsdetten Germany
0
22
F E Committed suicide [29]
58. Ouyang Songde, 40
(欧阳颂德) July 20 2007 Foshan China
0
19
M Sentenced to 3 1/2 years in prison [30]
59. Liu Shibing, 33
(刘世兵) Oct. 12 2005 Liudong China
0
18
F Arrested [31]
60. Yuan Zhangxuan, 28
(袁张选) April 29 2004 Dangchang County China
0
17
M Sentenced to life imprisonment [32]
61. Chen Kangbing, 33
(陈康炳) April 28 2010 Leizhou China
0
16-17
M Sentenced to death [33]
62. Stankewicz, William Michael, 55 Feb. 2 2001 Red Lion, PA U.S.
0
14
M Sentenced to 132 to 264 years in prison [34]
63. Liu Zhigang, 30
(刘志刚) Dec. 3 2004 Panshi China
0
12
M Found not guilty by reason of insanity [35]
64. R., Georg, 18 Sep. 17 2009 Ansbach Germany
0
10-15
MA Sentenced to 9 years in prison [36]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_School_massacres

(Sorry its taking me to long to fix the formatting so screw it)

Now for work

1. Sherrill, Patrick Henry, 44 Aug. 20 1986 Edmond, OK U.S.
14
6
F Committed suicide
2. Barton, Mark Orrin, 44° July 27–29 1999 Atlanta, GA U.S.
12
13
FM Committed suicide [1]
3. Leung Ying, 29" Aug. 22 1928 Fairfield, CA U.S.
11
0-4
FM Sentenced to death [2]
4. Tazmal Hossein Dec. 1 1914 Naihati India
10
11
M Arrested [3]
5. Unknown July 29 1982 Maputo Mozambique
9
?
F [4]
6. Moreño, Jonathan, 31^" Jan. 16 2005 Kalibo Philippines
8
29-33
F Shot by police [5]
7. Wesbecker, Joseph Thomas, 47 Sep. 14 1989 Louisville, KY U.S.
8
12
F Committed suicide
8. Mansour, Ahmed Ali, 45
(احمد علي منصور) July 31 2002 Beirut Lebanon
8
5
F Sentenced to death and executed [6]
9. Hasebeng, L. S., 27^" Aug. 25 1992 Goedemoed South Africa
8
4
F Committed suicide [7]
10. Fernandez, Edgardo, 16" Oct. 21 1995 Olongapo City Philippines
8
3
F Arrested [8]
11. Thornton, Omar Sheriff, 34 Aug. 3 2010 Manchester, CT U.S.
8
2
F Committed suicide [9]
12. Farley, Richard Wade, 39 Feb. 16 1988 Sunnyvale, CA U.S.
7
5
F Sentenced to death
13. Zoritch, Franck, 25 July 1 1992 Besançon France
7
4
F Committed suicide [10]
14. Tsui Yin, 41" Jan. 26 1962 Taipei Taiwan
7
3
F Sentenced to death and executed [11]
15. Stewart, William" June 22 1828 Brig "Mary Russell"
7
2
FM Found not guilty by reason of insanity [12]
16. Allaway, Edward Charles, 37 July 12 1976 Fullerton, CA U.S.
7
2
F Found not guilty by reason of insanity
17. Samarendra Deka, 22^ Nov. 27 2004 Baramulla India
7
2
F Shot by police [13]
18. Redureau, Marcel, 15" Oct. 1 1913 Bas-Briacé France
7
0
M Sentenced to 20 years in prison [14]
19. Uyesugi, Byran Koji, 40 Nov. 2 1999 Honolulu, HI U.S.
7
0
F Sentenced to life imprisonment [15]
20. McDermott, Michael, 42 Dec. 26 2000 Wakefield, MA U.S.
7
0
F Sentenced to seven consecutive life terms
21. San Marco, Jennifer, 44" Jan. 30 2006 Goleta, CA U.S.
7
0
F Committed suicide
22. Williams, Douglas P., 48 July 8 2003 Meridian, MS U.S.
6
8
F Committed suicide
23. Held, Leo, 40" Oct. 23 1967 Lock Haven, PA U.S.
6
6
F Shot by police [16]
24. Grace, Edwin James, 33 June 21 1972 Cherry Hill, NJ U.S.
6
6
F Committed suicide [17]
25. Cowan, Frederick William, 33 Feb. 14 1977 New Rochelle, NY U.S.
6
4
F Committed suicide [18]
26. Parish, John Felton, 49" Aug. 9 1982 Grand Prairie, TX U.S.
6
4
F V Shot by police [19]
27. Unknown Police Officer^ March 11 1971 Cavite Province Philippines
6
2
F [20]
28. Engeldinger, Andrew John, 36 Sep. 27 2012 Minneapolis, MN U.S.
6
2
F Committed suicide [21]
29. Layman, Charles N., 44 Dec. 16 1935 Los Angeles, CA U.S.
6
1
F Found not guilty by reason of insanity [22]
30. Harpinder Singh, 40^
(हरपिंदर सिंह) July 16/17 2010 Kuchai India
6
1
F Shot by police [23]
31. Surasak, Jaras, 56^
(จรัส สุรศักดิ์) Dec. 26 2011 Khuan Ma Phrao Thailand
6
1
F Committed suicide [24]
32. Vinogradov, Dmitry Andreyevich, 29
(Дмитрий Андреевич Виноградов) Nov. 7 2012 Moscow Russia
6
1
F Arrested [25]
33. Tapia, Salvador, 36 Aug. 27 2003 Chicago, IL U.S.
6
0
F Shot by police [26]
34. Ezzatullah, 23^ Nov. 29 2010 Pachir Wagam Afghanistan
6
0
F Shot by soldiers [27]
35. Cho Sang Kook^ Jan. 23 1958 Hongcheon South Korea
6
?
F Committed suicide [28]
36. Unknown Police Officer^ Nov. 12 1980 Ondangwa Namibia
6
?
F Arrested [29]
37. Gulbuddin, 25^ Nov. 3 2009 Shin Kalay Afghanistan
5
8
F [30]
38. Hiranwadee, Chaiyaworn, 50^ June 11 1997 Lang Suan Thailand
5
5
F Committed suicide [31]
39. Ahmed Mustafa Ibrahim Ali, 30^ April 17 2004 Mitrovica Serbia
3
11
F Shot by police [32]
40. Smith, Robert Kenneth, 31 May 15 1969 Twinsburg, OH U.S.
2
10
F Committed suicide [33]
41. Torrey, Leslie Bernard, 21 March 2 1978 Jackson, MI U.S.
0
17
F Arrested [34]
42. Salomon, Franco, 30 Jan. 4 1997 Taichung County Taiwan
0
14
M Arrested [35]

And lastly solders

1. Sanurip, 36" April 15 1996 Timika Airport Indonesia
16
11
F Sentenced to death [36]
2. Hasan, Nidal Malik, 39 Nov. 5 2009 Fort Hood, TX U.S.
13
30
F Arrested
Killed an unborn child
3. Kim Won-jo, 25 May 1 1974 Kimpo South Korea
10
3
F Committed suicide [37]
4. Vaganov, Artur, 22 June 1 1997 Sida Abkhazia
10
3
F Committed suicide
5. Lee Wei, 41 April 5 1962 Patch Taiwan
10
0-2+
F A Arrested [38]
6. Ahmed Gul, 46
(أحمد غول) April 27 2011 Kabul Afghanistan
9
1-6
F Committed suicide [39]
7. Smith, William Vincent, 19 April 23 1946 LST 172 U.S.
9
1
F Committed suicide while awaiting trial [40]
8. Ranjith, G. H. G. March 2 1988 Athurugiriya Sri Lanka
8
9
F Shot by soldiers [41]
9. Madubela, Sibusiso, 28 Sep. 16 1999 Bloemfontein South Africa
8
4
F Shot by soldiers [42]
10. Kim Dong-min, 22
(김동민) June 19 2005 Yeoncheon South Korea
8
4
F E Sentenced to death [43]
11. Madaminov, Anvar Feb. 22 1998 Surxondaryo Province Uzbekistan
8
2+
F Arrested [44]
12. Unknown Soldier, 20 March 26 1992 Buryatia Russia
8
2
F [45]
13. Sakalauskas, Artūras Feb. 23 1987 Leningrad Oblast Soviet Union
8
0
F Found not guilty by reason of insanity [46]
14. Kuzminykh, Alexander, 19
(Александр Кузьминых) Sep. 10 1998 Severomorsk Russia
8
0
FM Committed suicide
15. Bozhkov, Nikolai, 20
(Николай Божков)
Khismatulin, Oleg, 22
(Олег Хисматулин) Aug. 23 2002 Ingushetia Russia
8
0
F Both were arrested [47]
16. Mansour Ali Doais, 30
(منصور علي الدعيس) Dec. 13 2009 Ta'izz Yemen
7
6
F Sentenced to death
Wounded 14 people in a grenade attack on Dec. 3, 2008 [48]
17. Aliyev, Ramazan, 31
(Рамазан Алиев) Aug. 28 2012 Belidzhi Russia
7
6
F Shot by soldiers [49]
18. Meneder, Jozef, 19 June 3 1993 Vranje Serbia
7
4
F Committed suicide
19. Dost Muhammad Nov. 24 1938 Kanwali India
7
2
F Shot by soldiers [50]
20. Naumov, Oleg, 20
(Олег Наумов) Jan. 26 1998 Sakhalin Russia
7
1
FM Sentenced to life imprisonment [51]
21. Chkheidze, Zurab"
(ზურაბ ჩხეიძემ)
Kamkamidze, Petre"
(პეტრე კამკამიძემ) June 24 1997 Gamardjveba Georgia
7
0
F Both were sentenced to life imprisonment [52]
22. Unknown Soldier Dec. 13 1884 Purworejo Indonesia
6-7
2-3
M Arrested [53]
23. Unknown Soldier Feb. 20 2011 Murovdag Azerbaijan
6-7
0-1
F [54]
24. Guercif el Hadi" March 29 1961 Constantine Province Algeria
6
14
F Died [55]
25. Fungabelo, Shaweleka" Aug. 11 1955 Kuala Lumpur Malaysia
6
12-14
F Committed suicide [56]
26. Unknown Soldier Oct. 22 1876 Makassar Indonesia
6
8
M Shot by soldiers [57]
27. Unknown Soldier Sep. 1978 Philippines
6
7
Committed suicide [58]
28. Gomez Romero, Johnny Jose, 19 Jan. 19 1987 Cumaná Venezuela
6
3
F [59]
29. Belkov, Dmitry
(Дмитрий Бельков)
Bogdashin, Andrei
(Андрей Богдашин) March 8 1994 Tanfilyeva Russia
6
3
F Both were sentenced to death [60]
30. Ohanyan, Mkrtich, 22
(Մկրտիչ Օհանյան) Feb. 11 1998 Armavir Armenia
6
2
F Committed suicide [61]
31. Unknown Soldier April 13 1914 Tank India
6
1
F Shot by soldiers [62]
32. Sheneyi Mede-O, 23
(शिनी मेदियो) Jan. 21 2009 Awang Kasom Khullen India
6
0-3+
F [63]
33. Gorbunov, Yevgeny, 20
(Евгений Горбунов) May 29 1997 Gusinoozyorsk Russia
6
0
F Arrested [64]
34. Bucal, Olegario, 35 Oct. 24 2010 Palid Philippines
6
0
F Shot by soldiers [65]
35. Unknown Soldier July 11 1976 Pagadian City Philippines
6
?
F Killed [66]
36. Labor, Jaime Oct. 20 1985 Pamplona Philippines
6
?
F Committed suicide [67]
37. Vásquez Mojomboy, Jaime, 24 Jan. 14 2005 Pasto Colombia
5-6
4-5
F Arrested [68]
38. Abdul Sabor, 21 Jan. 20 2012 FOB Gwan Afghanistan
5
14
F Sentenced to death [69]
39. Fichtner, Leopold" April 17 1916 Vienna Austria-Hungary
5
7
F Found not guilty by reason of insanity [70]
40. Unknown Soldier Dec. 25 1996 Sopore India
5
7
F Arrested [71]
41. Bugakov, Vyacheslav, 19
(Вячеслав Бугаков) July 30 1995 Popov Island Russia
5
6
F Arrested [72]
42. Solovyev, Denis, 18
(Денис Соловьев) Nov. 29 2002 Ptysh Russia
5
6
F Sentenced to 20 years in prison [73]
43. Unknown Soldier Jan. 27 2005 Gerishk District Afghanistan
5
6
F Shot by soldiers [74]
44. Yun Sang-tai, 22 June 5 1969 Wonju South Korea
5
5-6
F Committed suicide [75]
45. Saraiva Antunes, Antonio Manuel, 27 Nov. 23 1988 Ajuda Portugal
4
14
F Committed suicide or shot by soldiers [76]
46. Darwish Khan, 25 Oct. 29 2011 FOB Pacemaker Afghanistan
4
10-11
F Shot by soldiers [77]
47. Hernandez, Jose Ovidio Sep. 17 1993 La Unión El Salvador
4
6
F Shot by soldiers [78]
48. Kondi Ouatara, 32 April 21 1923 Camp De Sainte Marthe France
3
10
M Arrested [79]
49. Green, Napoleon, 21 Aug. 24 1955 Manston U.K.
3
9
F Committed suicide [80]
50. Tsalapatanis, Basileios, 23
(Βασιλειος Τσαλαπατανης) June 8 1965 Kilkis Greece
2
20
F E Committed suicide [81]
51. Hasan Karim Akbar, 31 March 23 2003 Camp Pennsylvania Kuwait
2
14
F E Sentenced to death
52. Unknown Soldier Sep. 12 1877 Boekit Daroe Indonesia
2
12-13
FM Arrested [82]
53. Paul, James E., 22 May 16 1970 Tay Ninh Vietnam
2
10
F Sentenced to 22 years in prison [83]
54. Kreutzer, William Joseph, 26 Oct. 27 1995 Fort Bragg, NC U.S.
1
18
F Death Sentence commuted due to mental illnesses [84]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Workplace_killings

How many of them have F vs how many have an M and which ones have more deaths?

 

[Magical Realist]

Leave it to the gun nuts to think only about how this will effect their right to have guns. For the record:

"Two 9mm handguns, one made by Glock and the other by Sig Sauer, were recovered inside the school. An AR-15-type rifle also was found at the scene, but there conflicting reports Friday night whether it had been used in the shooting.."---NBC News

 

[Repo Man]

For pity's sake please educate yourselves. Saying automatic, without the prefix of semi in front of it, implies a fully automatic weapon. Fully automatic weapons are severely restricted in the U.S., and are involved in a vanishingly small percentage of crimes. Please look up the crucial difference here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_firearm

You're free to advocate the banning and confiscation of semi auto weapons (there is absolutely no chance of that happening here), but please take the time to know what exactly you are advocating.

 

[Tiassa]

Ethics and Integrity

Leave it to the gun nuts to think only about how this will effect their right to have guns.

In its most basic terms, this is understandable, just as I used to wince every time I heard about a cop getting shot in a pot raid.

But what bothers me is the disparity. After a mass shooting, conservatives become outraged if anyone raises the issue of gun control; you know, how dare they exploit a tragedy like that.

But, of course, as with so many conservative codes of conduct, it only works in one direction:

Hours after the terrible shooting in a Newtown, Connecticut elementary school, the Michigan House Republicans issued demanded that Governor Rick Snyder (R) sign a bill that would make it easier for people to receive a gun permit and open up “gun free zones,” including schools.

(Beuchamp)​

I guess I'm just an unethical bastard for thinking principles shouldn't be so selectively applied.
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Notes:

Beauchamp, Zack. "Hours After Connecticut Kindergarten Shooting, Michigan GOP Calls For Allowing Guns In Schools". ThinkProgress. December 14,2012. ThinkProgress.org. December 14, 2012. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...higan-gop-calls-for-allowing-guns-in-schools/