To males....

Would anyone call me a sexist, or a stalker, or whatever... if I suggest that Whitewolf post a picture of herself? Then we could all decide whether we would pass lecherous comment in her presence?

... and I'd tell her whether it is safe for her to run in the presence of men.
 
If I do not initiate a conversation with a woman I meet, there seems to be little chance that she will actually make the first move instead. Yet often enough, me trying to break the metaphoric ice (with or without whistling and leering) is seen as threatening and strange. So what should a man do?

Most girls accept the passive role. I don't. I hate the passive role, I end up with the most boring suckers that way. What I personally want from a guy is for him to show that he's interesting, and then I'll do the rest. WIth most women.... Someone told me that when seducing someone, you should go in small, smooth steps, slowly, and see what the person does.

there was a debate on the radio about wolf whisling the other day and every female who rang up said they LOVE it when a guy whisled at them. that it made them feel flattered and atractive, and that they secretly like it while they sue the pants off the guy for harassment

Back when I was younger, I found it necessary. Now, it's pointless and annoying.

Would anyone call me a sexist, or a stalker, or whatever... if I suggest that Whitewolf post a picture of herself?

:p

Hmmm.... Well, judging from the way I sound in my posts, how do you think I look?

Then we could all decide whether we would pass lecherous comment in her presence?

:p

that's a myth, it actually takes 5 to tango.

Mmmm... the number of people should be even. 4.

I AM a watcher though.

We all watch. Even when I'm committed, I watch.

"holy fuck, I wonder what that means? is she just being friendly? could she tell I'm the nerd overlord?

hahaha.... /rolls

and I'd tell her whether it is safe for her to run in the presence of men.

Running is so usual in New York.... Everyone able does it. Heck, we run All the time! If you're not running in this city, you've better be riding or driving, and if you're standing in one place, you're seriously late for... for something.
 
spuriousmonkey said:
I don't know about whistling because it seems a waste of time, but flirting is good (mind you, you cannot flirt alone, because it takes two to tango).
Yes, very true. Flirting is really good. But it is annoying when girls keep flirting and flirting and never get any further... :rolleyes: :p
 
whitewolf said:
Hmmm.... Well, judging from the way I sound in my posts, how do you think I look?
:p

I imagine you as fairly tall, trim but curvaceous, Caucasian - probably dark-haired, with startling eyes and sharp features. You are likely athletically-inclined and radiate vitality. I should think you dress in close-fitting clothes and enjoy drawing men's gazes. ;)
 
I live on the west coast of Scotland and if a guy wolf whistles at a girl he is more likely to get his balls handed to him than anything else.
 
whitewolf
i am wondering about your comment regarding how a man shows you he is interesting in the first place?
do you wait to see some type of demonstration of something ?
do you wait for him to make some witty introduction?
do you see where i am going with this question ?

Rosamajica
unfortunately the more likely reason for the men whistling at you is to show the other men in the group they are hetrosexual and is a show of power in a caveman like manner.

That TLC "scrub" song makes me wanna puke it says if you dont have your own house car and job then dont talk to me ... its reinforcement of women prostituting their attention for money and power status.

Whitwolf , Rosamajica.. remeber this ..
if a man is sucure about his own sexuality then he is not going to wolfe whistle at you
or make some lewd comment.
although there is still a majority of women who feel the need for constant reasurance that they look sexualy attractive to men as they lack self esteem, and self confidence, which is why they relentlessly ask others opinions on how they look, they do not dress the way they like!!!
they dress the way they think others will like them!!!
big difference
we still have a long way to go before women get enough self esteem and confidence to make the first move, and for men to be able to accept the idea also without the man or the other women watching calling the women making the first move a slut.
its all a level of evolution
:)
 
If there is no one else around and a guy whistle at a good looking lady, then he might be in a horny status.

If there is another or more people around, then the guy might just want to show off.

Either way, this seems to me that the whistling behavior is like showing respect to beauty in an disrespectful way.
 
whitewolf:

Go to Greece. Come back. American men will seem like the suavest, most courteous, most respectful motherfuckers who ever walked the earth.

mickeyboy:
I live on the west coast of Scotland and if a guy wolf whistles at a girl he is more likely to get his balls handed to him than anything else.

Ta - da!

Of course the behaviour would more or less cease if it wasn't for the "tee-hee, they're looking at me!" responses.

Ignore what you don't like, take an Uzi to what you can't ignore.
 
Every time I show up outside of my house, there are at least two strangers who whistle, yell out hello, or say "niiiiiice" when I can hear it. Those are cleches, most guys find more creative ways to "start a conversation." Sometimes, it's a compliment, sometimes it's harassment, depending on my mood. I usually gaze into horizon, but lately, I started to look around at other people, and I noticed each guy at least gives me a glance.

Is it only NY men who do that? Is it only American men? Does every guy you know do that? Do you do that?

Nobody in their right mind would jump on your neck if you're a stranger on the street, so why do you do it?

If a girl makes eye contact, what do you think? If a girl smiles back, what do you think? If a girl says hi, what does that mean to you? (Well, it doesn't get further than that, 99% of the time :p ) And, if the girl ignores you, do you find it offensive? What do you expect from a decent female after you whistle/comment?

it means you are reaaaally beautiful.
 
Do you do that?

It's biological, we (including I) enjoy looking at/watch/examine physically attractive women. If you don't like being glanced at, try not to look sexy. The best and easiest thing would be for you to change your clothing, not revealing the shape of your body (its a major part of what men find sexy about a woman, or at least a reason to look at you) if you don't like being looked at.
 
Well at least you don't get creepy men directing sexual innuendos at you and then start following you when you proceed to walk away.
 
there was a debate on the radio about wolf whisling the other day and every female who rang up said they LOVE it when a guy whisled at them. that it made them feel flattered and atractive, and that they secretly like it while they sue the pants off the guy for harassment

that says alot about females i think:p
Those women who rang up and said they LOVE it were likely trashy and suffering from low self esteem. Most women find whistles, cat calls and lewd comments from strange men irritating and annoying. We, or at least most of us, don't like being viewed as pieces of meat. I am past 40 now and so I have become invisible to men. Believe me, it is a relief to be able to walk past construction workers who don't even look up. I no longer have to dodge groups of men while I am out walking or jogging.

There is no reason why women should have to dress like frumps just to avoid stupid behavior from men. Just have some basic respect. There is nothing wrong with looking admiringly at an attractive woman or smiling at her- even saying hi in a respectful way. You may be pleasantly surprised. Women don't mind that at all. And don't think that we aren't checking out handsome men who carry themselves well and wear clothing that shows off their manly forms.:D
 
In China, I'm the one getting whistled at. Except it's not a whistle, more like an overt stare and constant chatter. A group of girls will come up to me, try their three lines of english, then walk beside me and giggle the entire time, all while telling me how handsome I am (and tall).

Or, more directly, if they know the english; "do you have a girlfriend? no? do you want a girlfriend??"

So after years of leering at girls, it's strange to see how the other half lives.
 
Those women who rang up and said they LOVE it were likely trashy and suffering from low self esteem.
Generalisation: I know a number of grown self-confident women who see "overt signals of interest" as gratifying, but only if the guy falls into the categories of "hot", "cute" or "Whooo!"
 
I'm so glad local legend Purple Acky's in jail. Once too often now has he approached muscular young men, asked them if they do weights, then insisted (rather forcefully) that they do press-ups for him. Lots of press-ups.
 
Generalisation: I know a number of grown self-confident women who see "overt signals of interest" as gratifying, but only if the guy falls into the categories of "hot", "cute" or "Whooo!"
True, I suppose it depends on the quality of the "overt signal giver". Unfortunately too many feature beer bellies and butt crack....eeeewww!
 
Unfortunately too many feature beer bellies and butt crack....eeeewww!
QED :D

True, I suppose it depends on the quality of the "overt signal giver".
That depends entirely the individual, I've seen stuff I wouldn't have believed if I hadn't seen it.. and (presumably, from the result) the guy fitted one or more of the categories given...
 
So what does one do when meeting a group of men in such circumstances who whistle and make comments?
What is one to think?

Sexist bankers (change first letter)

What do they think?
Who give s a fek but if you must have an answer:
Not very often and with their pri**s.
 
There is no reason why women should have to dress like frumps just to avoid stupid behavior from men.

While you have my sympathy, I'm sure if a man had half his penis hanging out you couldn't help but to look at it.

It's not stupid behaviour, it is entirely natural. Tell you what, as a test I'll go to work naked tomorrow and see how many women look me in the eye. A woman specifically does all she can to make men look at her and then throws a hissy fit when men look at her.. it's quite bizarre.
 
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