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James R.,

Let me first say I cannot attest to the qualifications of the persons involved but I have run across the "Journal of Theoretics".

It is purportedly a "Peer Review Journal" for new concepts.

One of the "Peer Group" a Dr. Siepmann has written several papers on "Time"

I just saw a topic here a few minutes ago about "Time being an illusion". It seems to have vanished. I can only suspect that it was booted.

At the same time, I would ask you to go to the following link and check out what is being said by other scientist (at least they give the impression they are scientist).

http://www.journaloftheoretics.com

click "Home Page"
"Article Archive"
"Time as a Stream of Change"
Also
"Absolute Time"

I have a print out of anotherone that is entitled "Why Time does not Exist", Vol3-1, that I didn't see there tonight.


Since "Time as a Stream of Change", is my UniKEF view. I am interested as to the crediability of this journal and if it has any crediability why the earlier mentioned topic should have been booted.

Or would it not have been better to have been placed in an "Alternative Concept" catagory?


UPDATE: Sorry found the topic I thought had been booted. But would still like your response regarding the Journal.

The Time is an Illusion string does seemed to have gone astray of any scientific discussion.

Thanks.
 
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<i>I just saw a topic here a few minutes ago about "Time being an illusion". It seems to have vanished. I can only suspect that it was booted.</i>

I haven't booted any thread. There is a recent thread in the General Philosophy forum called "That time is an illusion", however.
 
I've had a quick look at the <i>Journal of Theoretics</i>.

I would like to know who the reviewers of the articles are. Judging by the articles there, the editorial policy is not particularly discriminating.
 
Agree

James R.,

I agree in general. My concern is that some of this stuff is posted with Dr. xxxx.

The only thing it doesn't say if that is of gynocology or physics.

However the "Time as Stream of Change" was submitted by:

Dott. Ing Amrit Sorli
Miasto Institute
Italy

I don't speak Italian but my hunch is that says Dr. of Engineering?

I am going to search the "Miasto Institute" see what I can find.
 
Re: Agree

Miasto Institute
Osho Miasto Institute for Meditation and Spiritual Growth
 
Yep

Persol,

Found my answer about the same time you did.


prana has a measurable weight
From: amrit sorli
Date: 9/17/01
Time: 2:33:19 AM
Remote Name: 151.21.219.149


Comments
Dr. Amrit Sorli Osho Miasto Institute 53010 Frosini (SI) Italy tel:0039-348-8127445 fax:0039-577-960213 email: sorli_amrit@hotmail.com


Additional Weight And Unknown Vacuum Energies Of Living Organisms

In 1987 I carried out experiments that demonstrate an additional weight of living organisms. Experiments were done in a closed environment that showed an increasing of weight during the growing phase of an organism and decreasing of it after its death. Therefore, there appears to be an additional weight of living organisms. This additional weight could be due to an unknown vacuum energy containment that exists in living organisms as it can not be accounted for otherwise within these closed systems. Preliminary experiments have been carried out on the Bio-technical Faculty, Ljubljana, Slovenia in June 1987. Measurements have been performed on a Mettler Zurich M5 scale. Six test-tubes were filled with three millilitres of water solution made out of meat and sugar. In four test-tubes were putted fungus in two test-tubes not. All test tubes were welded airtight. The weight difference between test-tubes was measured for ten days. In three days of growing period the weight of test-tubes with fungus increased on average for 34 micrograms in last seven days remains unchanged. The experiment was carried out in sterile circumstances. It shows that roundness of space-time around an organism is increasing during its growing period: Fg (dead) organic + dFg = Fg alive In other experiment two test-tubes were filled with 5 grams of Californian worms two with distillate water. All test-tubes were welded airtight. The weight difference between test-tubes was measured for 5 hours. First hour there was no difference second and third hour difference increased on average for 4.5 micrograms and remain stable in the last two hours. Experiment shows that the roundness of space-time around an organism decreases at the time of its death: Fg alive = Fg dead + dFg The experiment was repeated from August to September 1988 at the Faculty for Natural Science and Technology, Ljubljana. Two Mettler Zurich scales, type H20T were used in the measurements. Identical results were obtained. Experimental test-tube was filled with 70 grams of live California worms and a small test-tube, filled with 0.25 ml of 36% water solution of formaldehyde. The control test tube contained 70 ml of distilled water and a small test tube with formaldehyde. Both test tubes were welded, wiped clean with 70% ethanol, and put into the weighing chamber of the balance. Approximately one hour was allowed for acclimatisation. Later both test-tubes were measured three times at intervals of five minutes. Then the test tubes were turned upside down to spill the solution of formaldehyde and again measured seven times at intervals of fifteen minutes. The weight of the worms increases first 3 minutes after the poisoning on average for 60 micrograms and than went down. Fifteen minutes after poisoning, the weight diminished on the average by 93.6 micrograms. The entire experiment was repeated twelve times. The standard deviation amounted to 16 micrograms. The pressure in both test tubes was one atmosphere for the entire duration of the experiment, the temperature in both test tubes was the same. Neither the pressure nor the temperature could have therefore been the cause for the difference of the weight. In 1997 I published the results of the experiments in the "Newsletter" nr. 18-19 of Monterey Institute for Study of Alternative Healing Arts, California. Third of March 1998 Dr. Shiuji Inomata from Japan informs editor S. Savva that Dr. Kaoru Kavada got same results with the rats. Closed airtight in the plastic containers lose some weight at the time of death. According formula E = mcc by transforming 93,6 micrograms of matter into energy releases 2 X 10 E9 calorie of energy. In experiment no such energy release was observed. It means that energy that enters in living organisms and leaves them at the time of death does not belong to known energies that are caring electromagnetic, strong or week nuclear force. Momentary increasing of weight after poisoning shows that organism is in active relation with this unknown vacuum energy and that this energy is essential for its functioning. Such a type of energy in Indian traditional medicine is called prana, in Chinese QI. Extended research will provide more data what is unknown vacuum energy that causes additional weight.

Dr. Amrit Sorli




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Clicked on the "Home Page Button" and was looking at one big eye staring out of a triangle, lot of pretty colors though.:D :D :D

Don't think he is expert on time.
 
A little Better

Persol,

This one is a little better but I am going to do some further checking.

Sr. Siepmann, is the Director of R&D, he wrote the paper "Why Time does not Exist".





LightTime is an optoelectronic R&D company that is currently developing high-speed timing devices/clocks (LightClocks) that will have the accuracy of an atomic clock, but it will be less expensive and contained in a much smaller package. Rather than using crystal (i.e. quartz) or atomic oscillation technology, we use the speed of light to measure time with our patented technology. The LightClock can be designed to deliver either an optical or electronic output. We are currently developing customized LightClocks. We anticipate having LightClock designs for virtually any use, from a 10 GHz optical clock for an IC to a Stratum-1 optoelectronic clock for telecom use, we will have the timing technology for the future.

LightTime can work with your company to develop a LightClock that will fit your needs. If you are interested in having us design a LightClock or in licensing our technology contact us.*

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I'm going to see if I can find their patents.

Still looks like an engineer, not a physicist.
 
Re: A little Better

Originally posted by MacM
we use the speed of light to measure time with our patented technology

Still looks like an engineer, not a physicist.
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I'm not seeing why measuring light is any easier... it also seems counter productive... timing light to define time?
 
Persol,

I didn't mean to imply that the technology was some sort of key. Dr. S. resume shows him to be an expert on timing (not necessarily on time perse) but my point was it seemed a bit more applicable than the previous article written by a guy that has a large eye staring out of a triangle.
 
Originally posted by MacM
I didn't mean to imply that the technology was some sort of key. Dr. S. resume shows him to be an expert on timing (not necessarily on time perse)
My question was just on the ability to measure time by timing light.

but my point was it seemed a bit more applicable than the previous article written by a guy that has a large eye staring out of a triangle.
Lol... agreed
 
Timing Light

Persol,

That is why I want to track down their patents and see what is supposedly unique.
 
Using speed of light to define time?

using the distance traveled by light in a specified unit of time would be great for timing things, but first you need to specify your specified unit of time.... Using what? Light? The speed of light? The distance traveled by light in another specified unit of time? Thats crazy!

...guy that has a large eye staring out of a triangle.
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Like I say... crazy.
 
eye

hoodlum,

The guy with the eye is not the same guy building the timers. But still maybe crazy.
 
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