Three Claims of Uniformitarian Naturalism

[SetiAlpha6]

I started watching the video but lost interest early to be honest..perhaps and maybe..then we have a testimony from a guy dieing from a drug overdose, then an account from a guy having a heart attack presumably under anesthetic...how did Eddie know? Maybe he didn't...
In any event it boils down to this... those who want to believe will believe will believe and if you want to believe go ahead it can be your belief if that is what you want...personally I don't believe any of if cause it is based on we don't understand so let's make something up...if there is an afterlife it will happen if not it won't but I see no benefit in speculating ..is there any benefit? But all of this seems to be step one ..we can't explain it, step two there is something going on, step three let's make something up...
What is the point really what is the point...oh another thing prove it will not prove god I expect..further the video is after all entertainment nothing more so perhaps that is the level to deal with it...
Alex

John Cleese is no scientist, as you know, but the scientific method is clearly being used here by scientists to study the evidence and apparent reality of the existence of awareness and life outside of our physical existence.

According to one of the scientists on the panel, there are a number of peer reviewed papers on this topic.

On what basis does one decide to completely reject all of the scientific evidence in favor of Life After Death?

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Stop being a liar Seti! all those qualities, other then faith, are not necessarily a result or exclusive to faith or religious belief. In fact if the truth be known, and with one of your cohorts being a Trump lover, there are far more non believers that are making an effort for a better world then the opportunistic Trump and his bible thumping supporters.

I agree with you, and I did not vote.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

I noticed your verse says nothing about honesty and integrity, so it's little wonder you've destroyed those things, which would follow you would then be destroying self-control, peace and goodness as a result of lacking honesty and integrity.

I am sure you already know that Love includes both honesty and integrity, and that just as you said, self-control, peace and goodness do as well.

 

[paddoboy]

On what basis does one decide to completely reject all of the scientific evidence in favor of Life After Death?

I did not watch the video, as experience and the little I do know, tells me that science does also speculate on many things. That is not rejecting the fact of the finality of death, rather perhaps how death can be and is determined.
https://www.nyas.org/news-articles/academy-news/is-there-life-after-death/
What Can Science Tell Us About Death?

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-03/mali-npj031919.php
New peer-reviewed journal Death Research: The Last Frontier announced

https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ1181194
The present work proposes a psychological study via beliefs, about the origin of life, death, and life after death. Beliefs have played a decisive role in the development of humanity, from the primitive man who gave to the unknown divine forces, the judgments of the Holy Inquisition in the Medieval Age, the impact provoked by the conviction that the Earth was round on the belief of a flat Earth, and many other beliefs that sustain the behavior of the human being. In this context, the need arose to investigate the beliefs held by inhabitants of the Metropolitan Area of Mexico City towards the origin of life, death and life after death and with it, to know if there are differences in function of age and schooling; for this, the scale of Silva, Herrera and Corona was applied and with the purpose of obtaining the "t" of Student and ANOVAS the statistical package SPSS version 21 was used. The results show statistically significant differences between beliefs and sociodemographic variables age and schooling. Schooling: The more educated the population in general, the less likely they are to have religious beliefs. Age: The group of people between 35 and 45 years old are the ones who show a tendency to believe in scientific postulates about death, unlike those who are 60 years old and older.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

And no doubt the truth is that christianity was astrology inspired no different from many other human god cults of the time taken over and propagated by the Romans to suit their political needs.

Alex

If that is the case, Christians have been deceived.

How would the Judgement, Anger, Hate, and even Murder of Christians ever be justified by Atheists?

You know like the Romans did, and China does, and others do today? North Korea?

 

[SetiAlpha6]

I did not watch the video,

Yes, it also helps to avoid all evidence that has a chance of changing the mind.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

On what basis does one decide to completely reject all of the scientific evidence in favor of Life After Death?

Because it is not really scientific.

However cite the best paper you can use to support the notion that there is life after death and let's us look at it and determine firstly what is says and second we can look at the specific conclusions, where it was published and by who...if there is real evidence I for one certainly want to see it...so the best paper..or a couple if you think they contain good evidence.

How would the Judgement, Anger, Hate, and even Murder of Christians ever be justified by Atheists?

I don't think one would have to dig too deep to find various reasons why you may find Judgement, Hate and Anger for Christians if you want to be honest in your consideration of the matter however murder has no justification as all wrongs should only be judged by the proper authority which clearly is the law of the land which also interestingly defines the crime of murder so rather than simply murder a Christian if they are guilty of a crime they should go before the court and it is up to the court to deal out punishment.

You know like the Romans did, and China does, and others do today? North Korea?

I don't know why the Romans killed early Christians but I think they killed folk because they were troublesome for the Empire..What are your thoughts..does China kill folk because they are Christian? It would not surprise me given the horrors of the early days experienced by China..same for anyone else ..do they kill Christians because they are Christians.. and why? What did the Christians do to cause such strong retribution?

Alex

Also many Christians, indeed many folk, have been killed believing their death was due to their religion..most often this is not the case but they get killed because they are perceived as a threat to the state.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

If that is the case, Christians have been deceived.

That is what the evidence points to in my view.
All christianity was Roman Catholic for near 2000 years all power was from Rome ... anyways it's just history ignore it if you will but the truth is out there ...
Alex

 

[paddoboy]

Yes, it also helps to avoid all evidence that has a chance of changing the mind.

Like I said, I know enough to understand your interpretation is wrong. We have a real raving nutbag on the forum at this time...do you believe I, or anyone else should read his continuing nonsense? The OP's in those threads, say it all.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Like I said, I know enough to understand your interpretation is wrong. We have a real raving nutbag on the forum at this time...do you believe I, or anyone else should read his continuing nonsense? The OP's in those threads, say it all.

I don’t think that you or I should presume to decide for other people in this forum. That might be considered to be a bit arrogant and condescending.

I have come to expect, character assassination, slander, humiliation tactics, name calling, disrespect, and “blow torching”, as you put it, as the standard go to response here.

I forgive you for your disrespect and name calling.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

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[paddoboy]

I don’t think that you or I should presume to decide for other people in this forum. That might be considered to be a bit arrogant and condescending.

I have come to expect, character assassination, slander, humiliation tactics, name calling, disrespect, and “blow torching”, as you put it, as the standard go to response here.

I forgive you for your disrespect and name calling.

I call bullshit on that Seti. The two threads I'm talking about are....http://www.sciforums.com/threads/ru...me-the-real-matrix.163243/page-3#post-3638020

and...http://www.sciforums.com/forums/ufos-ghosts-and-monsters.108/

Now would you like to revise your comment?

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Let us all settle down and be kind to each other...Seti believes one thing Paddo, I and others believe different..let us look upon this opportunity to find opposites in discussion as precious and let each side be tolerant of the other..at least UNTIL set I agrees with us...Now Set I you are here and I must say it is nice to have you present the various things you believe...Obviously some of us who are atheists consider your beliefs just make believe..it's not a case of hating Christians although I hope you can understand why I could hate them..I do not..neither does Paddo he is extremely tolerant if you don't try to push stuff down his throat..me I want to hunt down believers and educate them and have them accept personal responsibility and stop giving control to an unevidenced entity..now I offered you opportunity to present some papers on this after life thing, and I promise to resist the coming opportunity to ridicule but hopefully show you how we really dont have evidence for an after life,...now this is your opportunity to show me to be a fool, that requires so little work, but by presenting a scientific paper we can, all of us, somewhat peer review it...if it's lacking I for one will jump on the inadequate features but honest if it's valid I will give it credit.. We believe different things but maybe each of us can benefit from understanding how the other constructs their reality..I like decent people..well all people..I am the first to make excuses for some one who stuffs up..I am tolerant but I am dedicated to seeking and finding the truth..can we find it together? Let us try. I understand the importance of religion I just feel that it is wrong to present good behaviour as dictated by these Gods that I believe are invented..I want good behaviour but also that it in some way is based on truth and reality. Maybe we can together work it out...
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

I do think I hit on the condition of wanting an after life when I mentioned the letter from Nigeria thing.
I have seen it at play.
This guy I know, high up in one of the really top bike gangs, they smuggled him into USA via Canada for a meeting is the hearsay ..a king pin..I knew a member of another gang..the master at arms who said he was big time..I know a lot of different people I guess...and of course that could be BS that he was smuggled in..but somehow I don't think he lied to me.. but my impression of him was a decent chap, a good business man, treated his wife well, who I knew before they got together and frankly I was happy for her because he treated her very good, I had always liked her and she was hot..he was a drug dealer at a high level ..well kgs of pot oz of cocaine..maybe more but I did not want to know..if something goes wrong you need to be ignorant of their business else you get blamed for a bust or a sting..he was not violent but not to be messed with..an average guy in many respects and no fool...yet..he calls me in and shows me "the letter from Nigeria"...it goes I need to get 100 million out of the country, I don't know you from a bar of soap, but I will give you half if you help me... now what would you say..it's bullshit..sure..but he was focusing on the promise of 50 million..it was all he could think about..they asked him for ten grand to sort out some legal stuff..don't send it I said..that is the scam..but he said it's millions..forget the millions they are after ten grand...I could not convince him that he was being conned because the huge reward of the promise blinded him to the holes in the story and the little cash they were trying to take away..it's no different for believers..how can you not want the after life..it has to be true..I want it to be true so much I will overlook everything..just like old mate with the promise of fifty million..just imagine..no more drug deals in his life and freedom on the line..maybe get away from the gang..probably not but with fifty million he could employ some boys if you see what I mean..finally his ticket out of the mess of his life..after life..sure..I think one has more chance of getting fifty million from Nigeria actually...but as with the promise of fifty million who wants it to be wrong?
Did he send the money..I don't know..he was growing pot in his factory ..mega..and it was clear he was neglecting how careful you need be in that business and was a moral to get busted or worse..stung..the cops don't shoot you in the legs. No one hears of this stuff but it goes on ..by the time it goes to court there is no mark of a bike gang...I did not want to be there advising when the doors were kicked in and taken for questioning or shoot in the leg..after life, fifty million from Nigeria..sure could happen..please please please make it happen..please.
Get real.
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

It's a small world..she was "married" to the master at arms who brought me up to speed on the Nigerian beneficiary and before him she had another wild guy knew who was violent and crazy. I liked her, she liked me but with those links you just cant get involved no matter how hot they are... I saw him head butt a guy on the nose and beat him to a pulp and the victim was never seen again...I often wonder what became of him...no questions just some dead beat who must have left town...and folk wonder why I went Bush and became a hermit..it is a crazy terrible world..worse than you see on Miami Vice.
Alex

 

[SetiAlpha6]

I call bullshit on that Seti. The two threads I'm talking about are....http://www.sciforums.com/threads/ru...me-the-real-matrix.163243/page-3#post-3638020

and...http://www.sciforums.com/forums/ufos-ghosts-and-monsters.108/

Now would you like to revise your comment?

Hey,

well OK,

I give up!

but just a sec,

that guy-gal-it-UFO-thing-person,
Bless Their Heart,...

seems to really like RUSH!!!

So they are OK in my book!

See...

But I will certainly be praying for them!!!

Must hold ...on!!!

 

[(Q)]

I am sure you already know that Love includes both honesty and integrity, and that just as you said, self-control, peace and goodness do as well.

Yes, you further demonstrate your lack of honesty and integrity by lying about simple definitions of words. There doesn't seem to any boundaries on how far you'll go to be dishonest.

 

[(Q)]

I don’t think that you or I should presume to decide for other people in this forum. That might be considered to be a bit arrogant and condescending.

I have come to expect, character assassination, slander, humiliation tactics, name calling, disrespect, and “blow torching”, as you put it, as the standard go to response here.

I forgive you for your disrespect and name calling.

Yet, you're free to openly lie to us and we're not expected to call you out on it, and then you'll find yourself to be the victim here. What a tool.

 

[(Q)]

If that is the case, Christians have been deceived.

Yes. Yes, they have been deceived. It's no one's fault but their own.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

RUSH!

That was amilenitrate back in the day...you would dip a cigarette in it and draw...you did not see god but you were sure he was there...that's what you talking about?
How is it you fail to comment on the issues I raise..too difficult? Too disturbing?
Too truthful that you just ignore.
Where is the paper? Still looking no doubt.
Have you given consideration as to why some of the world do not like Christians and what behaviour of Christians has brought this situation about.
What have you found out?
Alex