Three Claims of Uniformitarian Naturalism

[SetiAlpha6]

Religion is the enemy of sanity, reason, logic, honesty, integrity and mankind.

Not even close!

Atheists are warning that Christianity may be necessary for the survival of Western civilization

https://thebridgehead.ca/2020/05/19...ary-for-the-survival-of-western-civilization/

Here is a link to the parent article...

https://stream.org/atheists-in-praise-of-christianity/

If you ever have to go to a hospital for care, you will most likely be surrounded by Doctors and Nurses who are Christian. Many, if not most, hospitals were founded by Christian Churches and are run on Christian principles.

 

[paddoboy]

So far, no one here has proven the foundational Claims of Science, which would certainly mean that they are being accepted on faith without proof.

Now you are being dishonest, after repeatedly being informed of the nature of scientific assumptions and/or theories. The main foundation of science is the scientific methodology and observational and/or experimental empirical evidence.
Does your religion condone dishonesty?

ps: You have yet to answer my return question.

And this really would also have a cascading domino effect, and would clearly mean that the conclusions based substantially on these Claims are really only faith positions without proof as well.

Which is completely fine, if that is what you want to believe in.

Your choice.

Someone want to give it a real try?

Stop acting like a fool. You know what the scientific method is and how and why scientific theories are formulated. You are obviously upset that no scientific evidence suggests that we need some supernatural sky daddy to create the universe and do your bidding. Science works...science has made any need for any deity or ID as superfluous...you would not be here but for science.
As yet we also do not yet know the actual mechanism of gravity and why spacetime warps/curves in the presence of mass. But I take it you still accept the theory of gravity.

Again...you not answered the question I asked of you. Are you going to answer and show some christian decency and honesty for a change?

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Not even close!

Atheists are warning that Christianity may be necessary for the survival of Western civilization

https://thebridgehead.ca/2020/05/19...ary-for-the-survival-of-western-civilization/

Here is a link to the parent article...

https://stream.org/atheists-in-praise-of-christianity/

Not even close!

Atheists are warning that Christianity may be necessary for the survival of Western civilization

https://thebridgehead.ca/2020/05/19...ary-for-the-survival-of-western-civilization/

Here is a link to the parent article...

https://stream.org/atheists-in-praise-of-christianity/

Sounds like the Romans who invented christianity are on the march again...you do know of the proposition that the Romans invented christianity I expect...They drew upon the various human god figures built upon astrology not only to manage the rebelious Hebrews but to cut down on the multiplicity of holidays and celebrations that arose by virtue of the variety of backgrounds of folk they needed to manage within the empire...it's history but well evidenced suggesting that the proposition I tell you about is established fact...oh silly me...belief won't allow facts to enter the story.

One can't help but think if you wanted to sell a few books all you would have to do is produce something supportive of christianity...what do you reckon..a good idea? I should write an astronomy book showing how the Bible is factually scientific because it mentions I think Orion and the Seven Sisters...well even if it doesn't no one will check they will have faith...send money and I will send by return mail a parcel of more faith.

Your basket must be full of cherries, and your pockets and I bet you have a wheel barrow full.

Could you explain to me why you happily grasp at this dubious proposition and yet when it comes to considering something as well supported as evolution you casually wave it off. No let me answer...mmm I will keep my answer to myself.

I bet a book on finding God's mountain would work..would you buy one..Dr another perhaps.
Alex

Anyways if I was in power then I am somewhat inclined to agree to promote Christianity or any religion as you know you have folk easily managed and probably will kill anyone you point out to be outside godism.

Its folk like you why they have removed the word "gullible" from all internet dictionaries.

Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

If you ever have to go to a hospital for care, you will most likely be surrounded by Doctors and Nurses who are Christian. Many, if not most, hospitals are founded by Christian Churches and are run on Christian principles.

This is true. I just believe it is most unfortunate that it is all built on a lie.
Can you understand why that upsets me?
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Is it unreasonable to expect people to believe in themselves and to accept personal responsibility for their action rather than believing they are miserable sinners dependant upon their very existence to a mythical, unestablished entity? Is it unreasonable to state that it is our judgement that determines our morals, and to this point note how a believer picks and chooses from the various propositions that this mythical God expects..like why won't you kill your neighbour if you catch him working on the Sabbath or why you don't own slaves etc etc etc.
Alex

 

[paddoboy]

If you ever have to go to a hospital for care, you will most likely be surrounded by Doctors and Nurses who are Christian. Many, if not most, hospitals were founded by Christian Churches and are run on Christian principles.

Yep, so? Most doctors and nurses are incredible human beings out to help....There are also many doctors and nurses who do not believe in your mythical stories that are just as helpful, and kind...there would also be many christians who are pure arseholes that one wouldn't piss on if they were on fire....and probably a few nonbelievers who are just as big arseholes as the christian variety arsehole....You get my drift?

 

[SetiAlpha6]

A particular method of investigation that works well, does not prove even one of the foundational Claims that Science makes.

I do not think it is unreasonable to require proof for a system of thought, at the foundational level, that so often claims to be vastly superior to faith. For it to be superior to faith it would have to not be faith itself. But it truly is only faith at its foundation, and so very plainly, it is not superior.

Why then would you or anyone else blindly accept these Claims without any proof? Or, if there is proof, why not use the Scientific Method to provide it?

If you cannot provide proof, it is only faith.

Isn’t that the same exact standard you use against all Religion?

I really, honestly, do see the foundational Claims of Science as just another set of faith Claims, that are without proof. I am not being dishonest, that is the reality, regardless of my opinion about it.

If not, prove me wrong.

 

[paddoboy]

I do not think it is unreasonable to require proof for a system of thought, at the foundational level, that so often claims to be vastly superior to faith. For it to be superior to faith it would have to not be faith itself.

Why then would you or anyone else blindly accept these Claims without any proof? If there is proof, why not use the Scientific Method to provide it. If you cannot provide proof, it is only faith.

What claims? Please list the claims you see the need to prove [ a test of your honesty] What is the scientific method? in your opinion of course? Obviously you have reverted to trolling now, after being told many times.

Isn’t that the same exact standard you use against all Religion?

Give me proof of god, that science has not given a reasonable evidenced backed explanation? Your dishonesty again will be tested.

I really, honestly, do see the foundational Claims of Science as just another set of faith Claims, that are without proof. I am not being dishonest, that is the reality, regardless of my opinion about it.

Prove me wrong.

Well let's me frank, if you are simply not trolling, and not being dishonest, you must be mighty ignorant.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

What claims? Please list the claims you see the need to prove...

• All phenomena have natural causes. ...

Please prove this Claim for starters. OK?

Otherwise, I will continue to regard it as only a faith position.

I see nothing that is dishonest or unreasonable about this request. This is a basic Proof of Claim request that everyone on Earth should be asking.

If I am ignorant, simply prove me wrong, by proving the Claim. That should be really easy!

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Sounds like the Romans who invented christianity are on the march again...you do know of the proposition that the Romans invented christianity I expect...They drew upon the various human god figures built upon astrology not only to manage the rebelious Hebrews but to cut down on the multiplicity of holidays and celebrations that arose by virtue of the variety of backgrounds of folk they needed to manage within the empire...it's history but well evidenced suggesting that the proposition I tell you about is established fact...oh silly me...belief won't allow facts to enter the story.

One can't help but think if you wanted to sell a few books all you would have to do is produce something supportive of christianity...what do you reckon..a good idea? I should write an astronomy book showing how the Bible is factually scientific because it mentions I think Orion and the Seven Sisters...well even if it doesn't no one will check they will have faith...send money and I will send by return mail a parcel of more faith.

Your basket must be full of cherries, and your pockets and I bet you have a wheel barrow full.

Could you explain to me why you happily grasp at this dubious proposition and yet when it comes to considering something as well supported as evolution you casually wave it off. No let me answer...mmm I will keep my answer to myself.

I bet a book on finding God's mountain would work..would you buy one..Dr another perhaps.
Alex

Anyways if I was in power then I am somewhat inclined to agree to promote Christianity or any religion as you know you have folk easily managed and probably will kill anyone you point out to be outside godism.

Its folk like you why they have removed the word "gullible" from all internet dictionaries.

Alex

Thanks for your thoughts Alex!

I accept Evolution!

Evolution is going on everywhere, but everyone knows that it normally works in reverse and destroys more than it builds and improves. This was shown a long time ago.

Everyone knows that harmful mutations are much more common, by far, than beneficial mutations are.

Harmful mutations are the majority. Beneficial mutations are extremely, extremely, extremely rare. In some cases, a “Beneficial” mutation in one area can even break down the genetic code in another area of the functionality of the body. And in reality, there is no guarantee that a rare “Beneficial” mutation will ever even be passed on at all. It could be selected out.

So it is plain that over thousands of years, many more harmful, than beneficial mutations will occur, degrading the genetic code of the species tiny bit by tiny bit over time until it becomes less adaptable, can no longer survive, and eventually goes extinct. Extinction is all over the fossil record, and is still going on today.

We are only able to slow it down in our own species a tiny bit by using our own intelligence. By using Intelligent Design ourselves.

That is my hypothesis and I am sticking to it like glue until proven otherwise.

Best Wishes Alex!

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Yep, so? Most doctors and nurses are incredible human beings out to help....There are also many doctors and nurses who do not believe in your mythical stories that are just as helpful, and kind...there would also be many christians who are pure arseholes that one wouldn't piss on if they were on fire....and probably a few nonbelievers who are just as big arseholes as the christian variety arsehole....You get my drift?

Yes, I agree, everyone can be incredibly great or incredibly bad on either side. It is a free choice we all make.

So please make the choice to stay incredibly great, like you already are paddoboy, OK?

 

[foghorn]

I accept Evolution!

Evolution is going on everywhere, but everyone knows that it normally works in reverse and destroys more than it builds and improves. This was shown a long time ago.

Everyone knows that harmful mutations are much more common, by far, than beneficial mutations are.

I don't know exactly know what your trying to say there? You seem to be suggesting evolution has a purpose to reach.
Nature is just doing its thing.
What is the purpose of iron rusting?

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Evolution is going on everywhere, but everyone knows that it normally works in reverse and destroys more than it builds and improves. This was shown a long time ago.

Evolution is not about that at all and you are making assertions that you can not support and there is good reason why you can not....and I suspect you know as well as me.

Everyone knows that harmful mutations are much more common, by far, than beneficial mutations are

Logical fallacy and wild generalisation does not a valid arguement make. Your approach is condescending.

Harmful mutations are the majority. Beneficial mutations are extremely, extremely, extremely rare. In some cases, a “Beneficial” mutation in one area can even break down the genetic code in another area of the functionality of the body. And in reality, there is no guarantee that a rare “Beneficial” mutation will ever even be passed on at all. It could be selected out.

The question is ..are you aware that you are talking nonsense, I expect that you do so I will say this ...we both know you are talking nonsense...mutations, as you selectively call them, but really no more than slight changes, neither good or bad, are the key to evolutionary change.
You use a very tired approach wore out by apologists.

So it is plain that over thousands of years, many more harmful, than beneficial mutations will occur, degrading the genetic code of the species tiny bit by tiny bit over time until it becomes less adaptable, can no longer survive, and eventually goes extinct. Extinction is all over the fossil record, and is still going on today.

Dribble and reveals your delusions of grandeur...and you smugly think ...well we both know..shame on you..dishonest arguement I know it and you know it.
Do you honestly think for one moment that I am not on to you...my main stay saying..never over estimate an opponent or underestimate them for either approach is folly as only balanced respect can produce victory. You just lost big time. Good bye.
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

I don't know exactly know what your trying to say there? You seem to be suggesting evolution has a purpose to reach.
Nature is just doing its thing.
What is the purpose of iron rusting?

He is trolling big time beware. He knows opposite to what he presents and being very smug to boot much more clever than he presents but not half as clever as he sees himself...beware.
Alex

 

[paddoboy]

• All phenomena have natural causes. ...

Please prove this Claim for starters. OK?

Otherwise, I will continue to regard it as only a faith position.

You place too much importance on yourself, as did the other two creationists nuts. You see we all know, including you, that whatever you regard or disregard, means SFA in the scheme of things. And as usual like the other two, also dishonest. You do have a question to answer so stop hiding and have the balls to answer it.
I see nothing that is dishonest or unreasonable about this request. This is a basic Proof of Claim request that everyone on Earth should be asking.

If I am ignorant, simply prove me wrong, by proving the Claim. That should be really easy!

I simply don't need to prove you ignorant, you do that yourself.
You have been informed of the scientific methodology and associated theories. Far better then fabricated myths with no evidence, to hide from the finality of death, and give you that warm inner glow of relief, hope and comfort.

 

[paddoboy]

Yes, I agree, everyone can be incredibly great or incredibly bad on either side. It is a free choice we all make.

So why did you stupidly use that analogy?

So please make the choice to stay incredibly great, like you already are paddoboy, OK?

I'm not incredibly great sonny. I just try and see things as logic and the scientific method instills in some of us.
You have a question to answer my boy.

 

[(Q)]

Not even close!

Atheists are warning that Christianity may be necessary for the survival of Western civilization

https://thebridgehead.ca/2020/05/19...ary-for-the-survival-of-western-civilization/

Here is a link to the parent article...

https://stream.org/atheists-in-praise-of-christianity/

Biased articles from Christians, filled with fabrications and lies. Of course, you swallow it hook, line and sinker. You're a shining example of why religion is the enemy of sanity, reason, logic, honesty, integrity and mankind.

If you ever have to go to a hospital for care, you will most likely be surrounded by Doctors and Nurses who are Christian. Many, if not most, hospitals were founded by Christian Churches and are run on Christian principles.

Of course, you'll make that claim just like you make all sorts of loony claims without offering evidence. Again, you make my point clear.

 

[(Q)]

Thanks for your thoughts Alex!

I accept Evolution!

Evolution is going on everywhere, but everyone knows that it normally works in reverse and destroys more than it builds and improves. This was shown a long time ago.

Everyone knows that harmful mutations are much more common, by far, than beneficial mutations are.

Harmful mutations are the majority. Beneficial mutations are extremely, extremely, extremely rare. In some cases, a “Beneficial” mutation in one area can even break down the genetic code in another area of the functionality of the body. And in reality, there is no guarantee that a rare “Beneficial” mutation will ever even be passed on at all. It could be selected out.

So it is plain that over thousands of years, many more harmful, than beneficial mutations will occur, degrading the genetic code of the species tiny bit by tiny bit over time until it becomes less adaptable, can no longer survive, and eventually goes extinct. Extinction is all over the fossil record, and is still going on today.

We are only able to slow it down in our own species a tiny bit by using our own intelligence. By using Intelligent Design ourselves.

That is my hypothesis and I am sticking to it like glue until proven otherwise.

You keep making my point as a shining example of why religion is the enemy of sanity, reason, logic, honesty, integrity and mankind. Very well done. Thank you!

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Please go ahead and prove the foundational Claims of Science! All of them, or even just one of them would be Great!

Here is one of the big ones that should never be blindly excepted by anyone without proof.

• All phenomena have natural causes. ...

Please prove this Claim.

 

[(Q)]

Please go ahead and prove the foundational Claims of Science! All of them, or even just one of them would be Great!

Here is one of the big ones that should never be blindly excepted by anyone without proof.

• All phenomena have natural causes. ...

Please prove this Claim.

You keep insisting on making my point.