Three Claims of Uniformitarian Naturalism

[Xelasnave.1947]

How is it possible that two of the most influential historical people the world has ever known, Moses and Jesus, never existed?

How it is possible really is for you to consider and bear in mind why hearsay evidence is not addmissssable in court.

there are records of the Flood found in many cultures around the World.

I believe there was a flood approx 13 or 14 thousand years ago, the ice cores show a sudden rise over three or four years of 400 feet and I suspect that is the foundation of the myth in the bible. Look up Younger Dryas ..lots to read but it will be worth it..... There is support for a notion that a cosmic impact was the reason and research is ongoing but the evidence is near conclusive..a impact crater has been found but they have to date it..it is under lots of ice and if confirmed we will need to reconsider some of our current history.

I tried to address some of your questions, but I do not at all expect to convince you with my “make believe” ramblings.

I think you will benefit from investigating the history of religion..religions..I am convinced there was a flood that set the world back but it does not fit the time frame for the Biblical flood, ... If you investigate the Summarians you will get some surprises..they had Adam and he lived in paradise, which translated apparently to " where the animals are kept" and they had the flood...also investigate how important astronomy was , we call it astrology, but so different to reading your stars in the paper.
They looked to the heavens as the realm of gods and then some enterprising humans got a the idea to claim a relationship with the Sun, so this is where the idea of twelve followers came from and the idea of dieing on the cross and rising again after three days..it is all there..it was always about the Sun..who was seen as god..so we find multiple human god cults back then of which Christianity was just one..but if you like this sort of thing follow up on what I point to and at least you will get some more understanding of how humans invented gods even JC.
Nice chatting..have a great day.
Alex

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Of course you understand it! Let me put it to you..What natural phenomena that you know of is not caused by natural causes?
And also it is an assumption based on the fact that all natural phenomena are explainable, and any that science is at present unable to explain, maybe explainable one day in the future by science and the scientific methodology.
We have absolutely know reason to believe that any unexplained natural phenomena is caused by any unscientific supernatural event.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_phenomena

All it would take is one miracle, one real supernatural act of God, just one to falsify the assumptions of Naturalism.

And I see no way to falsify all reports of miracles throughout all of human history, so that leaves the door open to that possibility.

 

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I used or restated Claims made by others, even to start with in the original thread Post.

I really did not invent And I did not invent

So, you didn't make up the claims yourself, you stole them from another theist who made them up?

And, then you try and pass the buck to someone else, not even then taking responsibility for your deceptions?

Dishonesty double down. This is what religions teach people.

 

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All it would take is one miracle, one real supernatural act of God

Tenuous doesn't even begin to describe the grip you have on reality if that's what it's going to take to convince anyone of your beliefs.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

How it is possible really is for you to consider and bear in mind why hearsay evidence is not addmissssable in court.

Life is not Court.

And hearsay evidence can also be accurate to the smallest detail.

It is not automatically wrong or biased, but it can be.

Unless we are to assume that all testimony and historical documentation is false.

Doubt you would do that.

Accounts with multiple independent witnesses can help. And a hostile witness can sometimes really lend credibility to an account.

But even in Courts today, the testimony of an eye witness or two, can get people executed.

 

[paddoboy]

All it would take is one miracle, one real supernatural act of God, just one to falsify the assumptions of Naturalism.

Yep, and I'll wait.

And I see no way to falsify all reports of miracles throughout all of human history, so that leaves the door open to that possibility.

I have yet to see any extraordinary evidence validating any supposed miracle, that can be explained by any other number of natural means or reasons.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Life is not Court.

Certainly not..imagine just how little you could present given the court requires evidence or it just did not happen.
Would you like to be tried having a prosecuted tied to your loose requirements of evidence..think about it..does not "life" require reasonable rules to establish what is real and what is mere speculative fabrication with nothing in support but "faith"..would you be comfortable on the prosecutor saying he is guilty I have faith that he is guilty..I bet you would not like that and yet you seem to think "faith" is the answer..faith is belief without evidence or as I rightfully observe the ultimate cop out to finding truth...

And hearsay evidence can also be accurate to the smallest detail.

You reckon?
But it is not reliable..do you get that..I say that an alien parked his space craft in my yard and told me he had a six leg horse on board... really that is hearsay...but the resurrection..that is taking hearsay to lengths not know before or since...how many generations between the story and recording..mmm..yet that's good evidence for you? And yet such an event was not recorded by any historian of the day? Why is that? Such and event would be told and retold through out the then known world..is there any question on that score? But no only recorded ..what two generations, three generations later..hmmmm...and you don't see a problem? You don't want to see a problem because like any mark in a con the prize is so big you will not question the story...the con is complete.

It is not automatically wrong or biased, but it can be.

And why can it be..none of this let's slip it in as it could be..tell me..how many cases of resurrection have been recorded..you know that could add to the "can be".
And given all the zombies that were also running around why is there no record of that..no poems, no songs

Unless we are to assume that all testimony and historical documentation is false.

What testimony? There is none..none, zip, nothing,not one single snippet..didn't you know that...and there is no documentation..none zip nothing...don't say stuff that is not t

Doubt you would do that.

You have nothing to reject..that is the point.

Accounts with multiple independent witnesses can help. And a hostile witness can sometimes really lend credibility to an account.

Sure please list the witnesses...there are none.

But even in Courts today, the testimony of an eye witness or two, can get people executed.

You don't understand the concept of corobative evidence do you...you have nothing and make unintelligent assertions that have no basis in reality..just bumping your gums only makes you look silly..if you have something tangible put it on the table..do you even u understand your waffling is incredibly naive...honestly read what you have written and ask if even you would buy it.
You seem so intelligent sometimes but other times you sound like a child...sorry...but don't take nonsense it only upsets me..and heck I am the mug here..the smart folk would tear you to bits but to them it is a no contest so they don't even post.
In an arguement if the other person has nailed you down don't dig a deeper hole.
Start studying this stuff, learn about how religion evolved etc.
Alex

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Yep, and I'll wait.

I have yet to see any extraordinary evidence validating any supposed miracle, that can be explained by any other number of natural means or reasons.

I believe you.

What would you do if a miracle happened to you?

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Certainly not..imagine just how little you could present given the court requires evidence or it just did not happen.
Would you like to be tried having a prosecuted tied to your loose requirements of evidence..think about it..does not "life" require reasonable rules to establish what is real and what is mere speculative fabrication with nothing in support but "faith"..would you be comfortable on the prosecutor saying he is guilty I have faith that he is guilty..I bet you would not like that and yet you seem to think "faith" is the answer..faith is belief without evidence or as I rightfully observe the ultimate cop out to finding truth...

Faith can be blind and faith can also be based on experience and evidence. Both kinds of faith exist in Science and in normal Life and are clearly possible.

Both can be right and both can be wrong. And even our experience and evidence can be misinterpreted wrongly, as is common both in Life and in Science. And even possible in Court.

Every human on Earth operates, on a daily basis, with faith in both forms. We switch between them all the time, perhaps without even being aware we are doing it.

I guess, if that is all crazy, then perhaps we are all crazy.

As you likely know, Intelligent Design Theory is based on common sense, the shared experience of all mankind, and overwhelming evidence.

 

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Where is the lie there?

It's so pathetic when theists try to weasel out of their lies. This continues to demonstrate how religions decay and destroy peoples minds.

 

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I used or restated Claims made by others, even to start with in the original thread Post.

Propagating lies from other theists doesn't make you any less a liar.

 

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As you likely know, Intelligent Design Theory is based on common sense, the shared experience of all mankind, and overwhelming evidence.

Lol. Wow, you just keep shoveling manure onto more manure. It's okay to believe in creationism, but to start calling it common sense and based on overwhelming evidence is dishonest and pathetic.

 

[paddoboy]

I believe you.

What would you do if a miracle happened to you?

You mean like someone parting the Pacific Ocean?

 

[SetiAlpha6]

You mean like someone parting the Pacific Ocean?

No something similar has already been done by God and I would guess that you have already rejected it.

Perhaps that is the answer...
You would just reject it?

Is that close?

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Does it mean anything that free and open discussion challenging Darwinian Evolution is so often thwarted by character assassination and intimidation?

Or is that just part of how the Scientific Method works all the time?

 

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Does it mean anything that free and open discussion challenging Darwinian Evolution is so often thwarted by character assassination and intimidation?

Or is that just part of how the Scientific Method works all the time?

Challenges against evolution are always welcome if the scientific method, or any science at all, were being used to challenge it, but that's not the case with dishonest theists who never do use any science to challenge evolution, hence the much deserved character assassinations.

Maybe you can tell us why honesty and integrity mean nothing in your world?

 

[(Q)]

No something similar has already been done by God and I would guess that you have already rejected it.

That's what sane, honest people do when ignorant theists tell tall tales and try to masquerade them as facts.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

You mean like someone parting the Pacific Ocean?

What would you do if, a part of your own body was broken, the doctors told you they could do nothing to repair the damage, your wife prayed over you, you felt an unseen hand touch that area of your body, you were instantly healed, the doctors verified that the broken part of your body had been repaired and had no explanation, and you have never had the problem return.

This is what happened to my own father.

But what would you conclude if something similar happened to you?

 

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What would you do if, a part of your own body was broken, the doctors told you they could do nothing to repair the damage, your wife prayed over you, you felt an unseen hand touch that area of your body, you were instantly healed, the doctors verified that the broken part of your body had been repaired and had no explanation, and you have never had the problem return.

This is what happened to my own father.

But what would you conclude if something similar happened to you?

There really is no boundaries on how far you'll take lying, is there. Not an honest bone in your body.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Why are Scientists afraid to speak out against the theory of Evolution, out of the fear of losing their jobs?

How is this an open system that encourages disagreement?