This new equation might finally unite the two biggest theories in physics, claims physicist

Yes, rhetoric dmoe, the same rhetoric you are well known for particularly with regards to myself and particularly with regards to moderators also.
Most of that baseless, inane rhetoric is in the fringes, and site feedback. :rolleyes:

Those threads/posts show that open, honest and earnest debate with yourself is nigh impossible and futile.
Finally your continued childish remarks re emojis, actually are an example of that futility, particularly in light of your own "... "replies and other less than satisfactory answers.
Obviously you like to present an air of sophistication with your posts, yet you continue with the above nonsense and of course the general inane and illogical nature of your posts.
In saying all that, I will now consider taking into account the advice of moderators that the best thing is to ignore you, considering your past history.
You have a good day, ya hear! :smile:

Again of course the fact stands...
No physicist worth his salt [even those not worth their salt] will ever claim that wormholes do categorically not exist.
The best that can be said at this stage, is that it is unknown.


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We also have a paper on supposed BNS by a god botherer , "god of the gaps" poster: That doesn't make it a work in progress.
Given that this is unpublished and unpublishable, this is a different status. And, of course, "work in progress" is vague, so free for use by everybody. So, feel free to name string theory "work in progress", but there is no reason to deny this label to others.
Between 1916 and 1919, the predictionss of GR, were hypothetical and speculative:Fact.

Hypothetical and fictional are imho different things.
Sure, so why does it still languish uncited and unknown virtually: And please do not stoop to conspiracy crap.
There is no conspiracy, as I have explained many times, in my economic explanation.
Nonsense and again obfuscating. GR could be used in many Newtonian applications and it would give far more accurate answers, but that accuracy is simply not needed.
Indeed. The point being?
Approximations do not make a theory wrong if the answers given solve a particular problem.
Nonsense. A theory which is not accurate is wrong. That it may be used as an approximation makes it nonetheless useful, even if false. To claim that flat Earth theory is true because it works fine for ball trajectories on a soccer field is nonsense.
Again just an example of you avoiding the issue re the cranks that deny spacetime curvature, gravitational lensing, gravitational redshift, gravitational radiation etc. I'm sure if I was a similar inclined god bothering, god of the gaps proposer, you would be into me like a rat up a drain pipe!
Complete nonsense.
That does not make it incorrect though, nor does it give any credibility to, or justify any ether theory.
That it is not a quantum theory makes GR wrong. What gives credibility to my ether theory is a different question. The fact that ether theory is easily compatible with quantum theory is one point which gives it credibility.
Even a QGT may not cover all contingencies, simply it is or will extend the parameters of GR is the only thing we can be sure of.
Even QGT may not be the final theory of everything, and, therefore, wrong too, and only an approximation.
The possibility even exists that we may never have one that can be validated as observations at those levels require super technically advanced technology that may be unattainable. String theory and its derivitives could be examples of applications that we simply are unable to verify due to our limitations.
That's possible. So what? If we cannot find out the true theory, we have to name some bullshit, which we know that it cannot be true because of internal inconsistencies like singularities, a true theory?
 
@ paddoboy:

All you need do ONCE is support what you claim.
You are unable to do that.


Why the emotional response? Which is a non sequitur as well. Did you not even read let alone consider what I posted for clarification of your understanding?

Here it is:
I'll try one more time.

If I want to get a realistic indication of what is or is not possible in a given scenario, I do not go and ask for the personal and/or philosophical opinions of Laymen OR Scientists; I consult THE RELEVANT OBJECTIVELY DISCOVERED CONSISTENT SCIENCE itself.

And IF THE SCIENCE indicates strongly that something has been studied exhaustively for decades and all the relevant objectively arrived at results MILITATE STRONGLY AGAINST the assumption/speculation etc that something "can exist in physical reality", I must objectively accept the science, and must therefore conclude that THAT PARTICULAR "something" CANNOT PHYSICALLY EXIST IN FACT.

I don't go and ask for the personal and/or philosophical opinions of people; be they Laymen OR be they Scientists.

I, for one, would never presume to put Laymen or Scientists themselves 'personally' on the spot; by demanding that they "categorically" rule in or out the possibility of something's existence.

I ALWAYS consult THE SCIENCE itself; and leave Laymen and Scientists to say whatever they please as to their OPINIONS and SPECULATIONS and 'science' FICTION/FANTASIES, on the understanding that it is all said in their 'personal capacity'.

Which personal capacity is NOT THE BUSINESS OF SCIENCE METHODOLOGY (nor mine) to demand OR accept from them, any "categorical" personal/philosophical based assertions or beliefs about anything. That is their own personal business; which is irrelevant to what the objective science itself has to inform us on the relevant matter.

I trust that is clear. Thanks. Best.
That was post was to observe some points for your consideration before you continued in your previous vein.

Did you even consider the distinction made between "consulting the strong science indications for or against something" rather than merely "consulting the personal/philosophical opinion of laymen or scientists themselves"?

The former is scientifically relevant. The latter not so.

If you haven't read and considered those observations made for your benefit, then please do so before replying again; preferably without emotionally driven misunderstandings and irrelevancies. Thanks. Best.
 
Yes, rhetoric dmoe, the same rhetoric you are well known for particularly with regards to myself and particularly with regards to moderators also.
Most of that baseless, inane rhetoric is in the fringes, and site feedback. :rolleyes:
Empty allegations, paddoboy...ad hominems...

Those threads/posts show that open, honest and earnest debate with yourself is nigh impossible and futile.
I never debate with myself, paddoboy.
I prefer Open, Earnest and Honest Discussions...with other Open, Earnest and Honest people, that is why I joined SF.

Alas, there can be no Open, earnest and Honest discussions with you, paddoboy.
You choose not to participate in any discussions, for whatever reason.
All you want to do is argue and cast aspersions at other members.
You troll these Forums with accusations of "Agendas", "God Botherers" "Anti-Science" and other Ad Hominems - you can only attack other Members because evidently you have nothing to add to any truly intelligent discussions.
You give cursory scans, at best, to Posts - or flat out admit that you refuse to read them - and then attack...attack...attack...

You claim that you follow "Mainstream Science" and practice the "Scientific Method"- you claim...you do not exhibit...you merely claim...
Finally your continued childish remarks re emojis, actually are an example of that futility, particularly in light of your own "... "replies and other less than satisfactory answers.
Obviously you like to present an air of sophistication with your posts, yet you continue with the above nonsense and of course the general inane and illogical nature of your posts.
In saying all that, I will now consider taking into account the advice of moderators that the best thing is to ignore you, considering your past history.
You have a good day, ya hear! :smile:

Again of course the fact stands...
No physicist worth his salt [even those not worth their salt] will ever claim that wormholes do categorically not exist.
The best that can be said at this stage, is that it is unknown.

So, more ad hominems...more empty allegations...ad nauseum...

But no real attempt at any truly scientific d i s c u s s i o n...just nothing...Post after Post after Post of...nothing...

And why do you continue to refuse to acknowledge, paddoboy, that actually many Scientists have "categorically" claimed that wormholes do exist...in Science Fiction ; for fun or for curiosity ; in wild speculative science ; in hypothetical constructs ; in Mathematical exercises...
....just not in Reality?
 
Paddoboy,

You know that wormhole is a dicey stuff.

So do you have any reason to believe, like your personal analysis, other that that it is not denied by mainstream guys, that worm holes exist. I am interested to know about your critical views on the topic.
 
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Your usual erratic post ignored.
Let me say dmoe, I'll put my credibility with regards to any quality you can name , up against your own, and I believe your peers on this forum and mine will be the judge of that.:rolleyes:
And all I have said is factual and in threads in the fringes and site feedback.
Finally, ... ;)
 
Hypothetical and fictional are imho different things.
For someone that is a professional, sometimes you are so unprofessional.
I'm not sure though if its your maverick science views that spill over into your political opinion, or your weird political opinion that spills over into science! :rolleyes:
There is no conspiracy, as I have explained many times, in my economic explanation.
Your explanation is full of holes.
Nonsense. A theory which is not accurate is wrong. That it may be used as an approximation makes it nonetheless useful, even if false. To claim that flat Earth theory is true because it works fine for ball trajectories on a soccer field is nonsense.
Rubbish, and many real professionals would agree with me as I have shown previously whenever you are confronted with this.
Newtonian, and GR are both correct within their parameters of applicability.
Which leaves your ether out in the cold.


That it is not a quantum theory makes GR wrong. What gives credibility to my ether theory is a different question. The fact that ether theory is easily compatible with quantum theory is one point which gives it credibility.

Even QGT may not be the final theory of everything, and, therefore, wrong too, and only an approximation.
Isn't this what I have just said? :rolleyes:
That's possible. So what? If we cannot find out the true theory, we have to name some bullshit, which we know that it cannot be true because of internal inconsistencies like singularities, a true theory?
So what???:) More unprofessional nonsense and your own admitted "tit for tat" methodology you implement both in the sciences and political threads.
Your "tit for tat" says it all re your credibility.
 
@ paddoboy:
Why the emotional response? Which is a non sequitur as well. Did you not even read let alone consider what I posted for clarification of your understanding?
Emotional? :D You mean like the recent time you lost it totally with regards to myself and Alex? :rolleyes:
Again, the reason why your posts are ignored by others, the reason why your posts lack any credibility, here and elsewhere, is simply because as a person of unknown qualifications and expertise [although the evidence of your posts reflect a negative view of that anyway] you refuse to or are not capable of supplying any link, citation to support anything you say.

Did you even consider the distinction made between "consulting the strong science indications for or against something" rather than merely "consulting the personal/philosophical opinion of laymen or scientists themselves"?

The former is scientifically relevant. The latter not so.
I consult reputable professionals and their papers to reinforce what claims that I make, and also to refute the nonsensical anti mainstream claims that yourself and the god are so driven to put as fact, driven by what I see as an obvious agenda.
If you haven't read and considered those observations made for your benefit, then please do so before replying again; preferably without emotionally driven misunderstandings and irrelevancies. Thanks. Best.
The emotion and agenda rests with you my friend as I just showed.
The fact remains that [1] The OP and following paper are a theoretical approach that if further research proves to validate, may lead to a QGT, the long sort after holy grail of physics. [2] Wormholes are a speculative prediction of GR and have never been seen or evidenced. ]3] Gravitational waves, redshift, lensing effects etc, were also at one time speculative scenarios. [4]
No physicist has ever said that wormholes categorically do not exist.
 
Paddoboy,

You know that wormhole is a dicey stuff.

So do you have any reason to believe, like your personal analysis, other that that it is not denied by mainstream guys, that worm holes exist. I am interested to know about your critical views on the topic.
Your interests do not concern me one iota.
The interesting facts are the excess baggage that you and others do have in this little charade you are carrying on with.
For someone who fails to understand the first thing about BH's, for someone that claims aLIGO and GP-B is fraudulent, for someone that denies near all aspects of GR, and then claims that some magical spaghetti monster exists, shows what that excess baggage is and why you see the need of underhandedly installing your god of the gaps argument as per other fanatics.
 
Cheap personal attacks and the 1032th repetition of presenting Flat Earth theory as true disposed.
Your explanation is full of holes.
If so, it would be easy for you to present at least one. Given that it is simple economy, accessible to everybody who has understood why giving judges safe jobs is a good idea, so that you do not need any knowledge of scientific parts of economic theory, this should be easy.

So, what is the first hole?
Isn't this what I have just said? :rolleyes:
No, it is the opposite. I say that QGT may be wrong too. You defend the position that Flat Earth theory is correct, once it works nicely on the soccer field.
 
For someone who fails to understand the first thing about BH's,


I understand thats why I question BHs very existence. It is THE spghetti monster of science.


for someone that claims aLIGO and GP-B is fraudulent,


In case of GP-B / aLIGO conclusions are questionable.


for someone that denies near all aspects of GR,


Not true, I find GR a boon for tensor maths.


and then claims that some magical spaghetti monster exists,

Not true, I never claimed that any spaghetti monster exists and he is the reason behind all this.



So, why do you think Worm Holes exist in reality ? Just because some so called scientists said it exists so it exists ?
 
No physicist has ever said that wormholes categorically do not exist.

Check the dictionary...Physicist = an expert in or student of physics.

I am a physicist by definition and I categorically state that worm holes do not exist.
 
There is a fundamental dichotomy about the concept of wormholes....rather any hole.

Worm Hole is a bridge between two points of spacetime....the concept of matter is not there...it is purely a concept of extreme distortion in spacetime. Spacetime will consist of a 3D space slice and that space has no meaning without matter

A bridge in real life has a meaning even if there is nobody to cross to....but a bridge connecting to points of spacetime, which can get created arbitrarily anywhere in the space depending on the location of BHs, has no meaning without matter. Where is the matter to form the bridge?

The popscience depiction of wormholes is true popo, to fool around with maths and have fun sitting in plush offices in front of super computers and creating worm holes? What if we have two super highways of worm holes connecting four BHs. How do they get entagled ? What is the probablity that 2 BHs will form in such a manner that they will couple each other to form a WH? What if one more BH forms and now we have a triangular wormhole....all nonsense, isn't it?
 
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Your usual erratic post ignored.
Let me say dmoe, I'll put my credibility with regards to any quality you can name , up against your own, and I believe your peers on this forum and mine will be the judge of that.:rolleyes:
And all I have said is factual and in threads in the fringes and site feedback.
Finally, ... ;)

Again, you CLAIMED that you were going to ignore my Posts, paddoboy, but yet what you EXHIBIT is your inability to do anything other than attempt to flame, bait and troll...and of course the usual Allegations, Ad Hominems and of course your puerile use of the "Emojis".

paddoboy, you ignore the Real Science and Parrot Pop-Science Pablum to no end.

You have never attended University, paddoboy.

Yet you deign to Preach and Evangelize your completely sophomoric misunderstandings of even the most Basic tenets of the real Sciences to the Graduates of those Academics that you refuse to be properly Educated in.

Again, why do you continue to refuse to acknowledge, paddoboy, that many Scientists have "categorically" claimed that wormholes do in fact exist...in Science Fiction ; for fun or for curiosity ; in wild speculative science ; in hypothetical constructs ; in Mathematical exercises...
....just not in Reality?


D O N E !

 
No, it is the opposite. I say that QGT may be wrong too. You defend the position that Flat Earth theory is correct, once it works nicely on the soccer field.
I do nothing but defend the position of a true professional in Professor Susskind and his research into a hypothetical that could lead to a QGT, as opposed to your own simple "tit for tat" and "so what" arguments.
 
Check the dictionary...Physicist = an expert in or student of physics.

I am a physicist by definition and I categorically state that worm holes do not exist.
Yet you continue to show total ignorance in the subject.
Again no Physicist worth his salt [or even those not worth their salt] will ever say categorically that worm holes do not exist.
And that's why continued research into them is carried out.

Your own claims though are understandable: As someone with most of his threads in the fringes, after claims of aLIGO/GP-B being fraudulent, denial of gravitational waves, gravitational lensing, BH's, and anything generally accepted by 21st century cosmology.
Claims of course driven by angst in the fact that the necessity of any deity is gradually being pushed into oblivion, and all made on a public forum, that is more or less unknown in the greater scheme of things....actually even in the lesser scheme of things. :)
 
Back onto some professional science and professional scientists and their research.....in this case Professor Sean Carroll.......
http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2016/07/18/space-emerging-from-quantum-mechanics/

Space Emerging from Quantum Mechanics
Posted on July 18, 2016 by Sean Carroll
The other day I was amused to find a quote from Einstein, in 1936, about how hard it would be to quantize gravity: “like an attempt to breathe in empty space.” Eight decades later, I think we can still agree that it’s hard.

So here is a possibility worth considering: rather than quantizing gravity, maybe we should try to gravitize quantum mechanics. Or, more accurately but less evocatively, “find gravity inside quantum mechanics.” Rather than starting with some essentially classical view of gravity and “quantizing” it, we might imagine starting with a quantum view of reality from the start, and find the ordinary three-dimensional space in which we live somehow emerging from quantum information. That’s the project that ChunJun (Charles) Cao, Spyridon (Spiros) Michalakis, and I take a few tentative steps toward in a new paper.

We human beings, even those who have been studying quantum mechanics for a long time, still think in terms of a classical concepts. Positions, momenta, particles, fields, space itself. Quantum mechanics tells a different story. The quantum state of the universe is not a collection of things distributed through space, but something called a wave function. The wave function gives us a way of calculating the outcomes of measurements: whenever we measure an observable quantity like the position or momentum or spin of a particle, the wave function has a value for every possible outcome, and the probability of obtaining that outcome is given by the wave function squared. Indeed, that’s typically how we construct wave functions in practice. Start with some classical-sounding notion like “the position of a particle” or “the amplitude of a field,” and to each possible value we attach a complex number. That complex number, squared, gives us the probability of observing the system with that observed value.

Mathematically, wave functions are elements of a mathematical structure called Hilbert space. That means they are vectors — we can add quantum states together (the origin of superpositions in quantum mechanics) and calculate the angle (“dot product”) between them. (We’re skipping over some technicalities here, especially regarding complex numbers — see e.g. The Theoretical Minimum for more.) The word “space” in “Hilbert space” doesn’t mean the good old three-dimensional space we walk through every day, or even the four-dimensional spacetime of relativity. It’s just math-speak for “a collection of things,” in this case “possible quantum states of the universe.”

Hilbert space is quite an abstract thing, which can seem at times pretty removed from the tangible phenomena of our everyday lives. This leads some people to wonder whether we need to supplement ordinary quantum mechanics by additional new variables, or alternatively to imagine that wave functions reflect our knowledge of the world, rather than being representations of reality. For purposes of this post I’ll take the straightforward view that quantum mechanics says that the real world is best described by a wave function, an element of Hilbert space, evolving through time. (Of course time could be emergent too … something for another day.)

Here’s the thing: we can construct a Hilbert space by starting with a classical idea like “all possible positions of a particle” and attaching a complex number to each value, obtaining a wave function. All the conceivable wave functions of that form constitute the Hilbert space we’re interested in. But we don’thave to do it that way. As Einstein might have said, God doesn’t do it that way. Once we make wave functions by quantizing some classical system, we have states that live in Hilbert space. At this point it essentially doesn’t matter where we came from; now we’re in Hilbert space and we’ve left our classical starting point behind. Indeed, it’s well-known that very different classical theories lead to the same theory when we quantize them, and likewise some quantum theories don’t have classical predecessors at all.

The real world simply is quantum-mechanical from the start; it’s not a quantization of some classical system. The universe is described by an element of Hilbert space. All of our usual classical notions should be derived from that, not the other way around. Even space itself. We think of the space through which we move as one of the most basic and irreducible constituents of the real world, but it might be better thought of as an approximate notion that emerges at large distances and low energies.

So here is the task we set for ourselves: start with a quantum state in Hilbert space. Not a random or generic state, admittedly; a particular kind of state. Divide Hilbert space up into pieces — technically, factors that we multiply together to make the whole space. Use quantum information — in particular, the amount of entanglement between different parts of the state, as measured by the mutual information — to define a “distance” between them. Parts that are highly entangled are considered to be nearby, while unentangled parts are far away. This gives us a graph, in which vertices are the different parts of Hilbert space, and the edges are weighted by the emergent distance between them.

rc-graph.jpg


We can then ask two questions:

  1. When we zoom out, does the graph take on the geometry of a smooth, flat space with a fixed number of dimensions? (Answer: yes, when we put in the right kind of state to start with.)
  2. If we perturb the state a little bit, how does the emergent geometry change? (Answer: space curves in response to emergent mass/energy, in a way reminiscent of Einstein’s equation in general relativity.)
It’s that last bit that is most exciting, but also most speculative. The claim, in its most dramatic-sounding form, is that gravity (spacetime curvature caused by energy/momentum) isn’t hard to obtain in quantum mechanics — it’s automatic! Or at least, the most natural thing to expect. If geometry is defined by entanglement and quantum information, then perturbing the state (e.g. by adding energy) naturally changes that geometry. And if the model matches onto an emergent field theory at large distances, the most natural relationship between energy and curvature is given by Einstein’s equation. The optimistic view is that gravity just pops out effortlessly in the classical limit of an appropriate quantum system. But the devil is in the details, and there’s a long way to go before we can declare victory.
 
http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2016/07/18/space-emerging-from-quantum-mechanics/
Here’s the abstract for our paper:

Space from Hilbert Space: Recovering Geometry from Bulk Entanglement
ChunJun Cao, Sean M. Carroll, Spyridon Michalakis

We examine how to construct a spatial manifold and its geometry from the entanglement structure of an abstract quantum state in Hilbert space. Given a decomposition of Hilbert space H into a tensor product of factors, we consider a class of “redundancy-constrained states” in H that generalize the area-law behavior for entanglement entropy usually found in condensed-matter systems with gapped local Hamiltonians. Using mutual information to define a distance measure on the graph, we employ classical multidimensional scaling to extract the best-fit spatial dimensionality of the emergent geometry. We then show that entanglement perturbations on such emergent geometries naturally give rise to local modifications of spatial curvature which obey a (spatial) analog of Einstein’s equation. The Hilbert space corresponding to a region of flat space is finite-dimensional and scales as the volume, though the entropy (and the maximum change thereof) scales like the area of the boundary. A version of the ER=EPR conjecture is recovered, in that perturbations that entangle distant parts of the emergent geometry generate a configuration that may be considered as a highly quantum wormhole.

Like almost any physics paper, we’re building on ideas that have come before. The idea that spacetime geometry is related to entanglement has become increasingly popular, although it’s mostly been explored in the holographic context of the AdS/CFT correspondence; here we’re working directly in the “bulk” region of space, not appealing to a faraway boundary. A related notion is the ER=EPR conjecture of Maldacena and Susskind, relating entanglement to wormholes. In some sense, we’re making this proposal a bit more specific, by giving a formula for distance as a function of entanglement. The relationship of geometry to energy comes from something called the Entanglement First Law, articulated by Faulkner et al., and used by Ted Jacobson in a version of entropic gravity. But as far as we know we’re the first to start directly from Hilbert space, rather than assuming classical variables, a boundary, or a background spacetime. (There’s an enormous amount of work that has been done in closely related areas, obviously, so I’d love to hear about anything in particular that we should know about.)

We’re quick to admit that what we’ve done here is extremely preliminary and conjectural. We don’t have a full theory of anything, and even what we do have involves a great deal of speculating and not yet enough rigorous calculating.

Most importantly, we’ve assumed that parts of Hilbert space that are highly entangled are also “nearby,” but we haven’t actually derived that fact. It’s certainly what should happen, according to our current understanding of quantum field theory. It might seem like entangled particles can be as far apart as you like, but the contribution of particles to the overall entanglement is almost completely negligible — it’s the quantum vacuum itself that carries almost all of the entanglement, and that’s how we derive our geometry.

But it remains to be seen whether this notion really matches what we think of as “distance.” To do that, it’s not sufficient to talk about space, we also need to talk about time, and how states evolve. That’s an obvious next step, but one we’ve just begun to think about. It raises a variety of intimidating questions. What is the appropriate Hamiltonian that actually generates time evolution? Is time fundamental and continuous, or emergent and discrete? Can we derive an emergent theory that includes not only curved space and time, but other quantum fields? Will those fields satisfy the relativistic condition of being invariant under Lorentz transformations? Will gravity, in particular, have propagating degrees of freedom corresponding to spin-2 gravitons? (And only one kind of graviton, coupled universally to energy-momentum?) Full employment for the immediate future.

Perhaps the most interesting and provocative feature of what we’ve done is that we start from an assumption that the degrees of freedom corresponding to any particular region of space are described by a finite-dimensional Hilbert space. In some sense this is natural, as it follows from the Bekenstein bound(on the total entropy that can fit in a region) or the holographic principle (which limits degrees of freedom by the area of the boundary of their region). But on the other hand, it’s completely contrary to what we’re used to thinking about from quantum field theory, which generally assumes that the number of degrees of freedom in any region of space is infinitely big, corresponding to an infinite-dimensional Hilbert space. (By itself that’s not so worrisome; a single simple harmonic oscillator is described by an infinite-dimensional Hilbert space, just because its energy can be arbitrarily large.) People like Jacobson and Seth Lloyd have argued, on pretty general grounds, that any theory with gravity will locally be described by finite-dimensional Hilbert spaces.

That’s a big deal, if true, and I don’t think we physicists have really absorbed the consequences of the idea as yet. Field theory is embedded in how we think about the world; all of the notorious infinities of particle physics that we work so hard to renormalize away owe their existence to the fact that there are an infinite number of degrees of freedom. A finite-dimensional Hilbert space describes a very different world indeed. In many ways, it’s a much simpler world — one that should be easier to understand. We shall see.

Part of me thinks that a picture along these lines — geometry emerging from quantum information, obeying a version of Einstein’s equation in the classical limit — pretty much has to be true, if you believe (1) regions of space have a finite number of degrees of freedom, and (2) the world is described by a wave function in Hilbert space. Those are fairly reasonable postulates, all by themselves, but of course there could be any number of twists and turns to get where we want to go, if indeed it’s possible. Personally I think the prospects are exciting, and I’m eager to see where these ideas lead us.
 
@ paddoboy:

First of all I note that you have come across the work by Carrol's team to which I alluded earlier. So I take it that you now can see for yourself the difference between their REAL science work and mere speculation from personal/philosophical perspectives. Now compare that to Susskind's ER =EPR 'idea' in the OP of this thread). I trust that you now realize also how the ER=EPR 'idea' depends itself on further science fiction/fantasy 'wormhole' and etc 'concepts', as I pointed out earlier? Good.

Anyway:

Emotional? :D You mean like the recent time you lost it totally with regards to myself and Alex? :rolleyes:
That emotion was in re of intensive and persistent trolling and mischaracterization by yourself and others responsible for turning otherwise scientific discussion into mere ego contests and using personal tactics. That emotion came after much tolerance and forbearance was shown those who ruined said discussions. That emotion shown on that issues had nothing to do with science discussion itself; only with the problem of trolls and unscientific tactics used by certain people at that time.

Whereas your emotional responses, and personal obsession with EVERYTHING BUT the science discussion, continues unabated. That is the sort of emotional reactions that are irrelevant and unacceptable to objective science discussion.

I trust you now see the different circumstances where emotion is, and where it is not, understandable and proper.

Again, the reason why your posts are ignored by others, the reason why your posts lack any credibility, here and elsewhere, is simply because as a person of unknown qualifications and expertise [although the evidence of your posts reflect a negative view of that anyway] you refuse to or are not capable of supplying any link, citation to support anything you say.
You have this obsession re the person, source and venue etc; when all you should be concerned with is what the scientific discussion presents for your impartial consideration on its merits, and not on who has ignored or not etc. And you link profusely. It rarely is relevant; and even more rarely even understood by yourself. It isn't the links that support an argument. It is the argument logic and self-evident real facts not just claims and opinions and links which may or may not have anything to say on the matter under discussion on its present merits. It is consistent objective science arguments not links, person or source that matters.


I consult reputable professionals and their papers to reinforce what claims that I make, and also to refute the nonsensical anti mainstream claims that yourself and the god are so driven to put as fact, driven by what I see as an obvious agenda.
While your intention is creditable, the reality so far has proved (as admitted by you already) that you either misunderstand, or just outright not understand at all, what those professionals and papers have to say (assuming what they say has any relevance at all to the actual point at issue discussed).

The emotion and agenda rests with you my friend as I just showed.
The fact remains that [1] The OP and following paper are a theoretical approach that if further research proves to validate, may lead to a QGT, the long sort after holy grail of physics. [2] Wormholes are a speculative prediction of GR and have never been seen or evidenced. ]3] Gravitational waves, redshift, lensing effects etc, were also at one time speculative scenarios. [4]
No physicist has ever said that wormholes categorically do not exist.
You "just showed" nothing of the kind. It is your wishful thinking that is at play there, paddoboy.

As for the further research, that was always being done already, irrespective of Susskind's latest philosophical musing of ER=EPR. The work by Carroll and his team prove that was the case. This particular 'publish or perish' philosophical musing is neither here nor there. The actual science is what counts.

Thanks. Best.

PS: As for your insistence that "no scientist has ever categorically said that wormholes do not exist"; who cares about the personal/philosophical opinions of the persons when the objectively discovered science on the matter is in and available for consulting re the matter? So it is also neither here nor there; since it is only you that has introduced that irrelevant personal/philosophical 'motif' into the actual science discussion regarding the physical reality possibilities of wormholes etc (as I listed previously). So just because you introduce that irrelevant aside, it doesn't make any of your own personal opinions and other irrelevances any less irrelevant to the science argued points observed and made in objective relevant discussion by me and/or others. Best.
 
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Again, why do you continue to refuse to acknowledge, paddoboy, that many Scientists have "categorically" claimed that wormholes do in fact exist...in Science Fiction ; for fun or for curiosity ; in wild speculative science ; in hypothetical constructs ; in Mathematical exercises...
....just not in Reality?

Note the very words you used have dynamited your own argument:

claimed that wormholes do in fact exist


No, they do not "in fact" exist. They do "in fiction" exist.

Where I come from, fact and fantasy are distinct.

And, considering we're in one of the hard science sub-forums. let's keep it that way.

(Otherwise I'd like to disccus my thoughts on Carroll's Frumious Bandersnatch.)
 
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