This is too much to bear anymore!!!

I consider my self neutral on this issue (you may disagree), I believe both the Israelis and Palestinians have a right to life and land and the ideal solution would be a secular single state with religious freedom for jews and muslims (and other non-essential religions). This of course is not going to happen with the present horrific animosity that both side have for each other, and as long as BOTH sides are run by religious zealots. A two state solution is the only step toward unification but israel and palistine cannot seem to get their shit together in recognizing each other and respecting each other, every incursion Israel does only makes israel look worse and only strengthens the terrorists, the Palestinians need to know that the terrorism only increases their suffer. As is both sides are so bone headed there no way for peace, ever.
 
ElectricFetus said:
I consider my self neutral on this issue (you may disagree), I believe both the Israelis and Palestinians have a right to life and land and the ideal solution would be a secular single state with religious freedom for jews and muslims (and other non-essential religions). This of course is not going to happen with the present horrific animosity that both side have for each other, and as long as BOTH sides are run by religious zealots. A two state solution is the only step toward unification but israel and palistine cannot seem to get their shit together in recognizing each other and respecting each other, every incursion Israel does only makes israel look worse and only strengthens the terrorists, the Palestinians need to know that the terrorism only increases their suffer. As is both sides are so bone headed there no way for peace, ever.
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So I guess kill everyone?
Or at least let one side eradicate the other.
 
Roman said:
It's not like the Jews are ever going to give up killing people over that worthless peace of land, anyway. It's like one of their commandments or something.
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I would not say Jews, many Jews do not support israel. As for zionist, no, no they will never give up an inch of land they believer is theirs and will kill anyone and their infant babies for it.
 
ElectricFetus said:
I would not say Jews, many Jews do not support israel. As for zionist, no, no they will never give up an inch of land they believer is theirs and will kill anyone and their infant babies for it.
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I understand there are certain sects of Judaism that don't support Israel, but isn't zionism a big deal in Judaism? Like all the Old Testament is about killing people so God will give them their land back. And when they do get their land back, they have to continue killing people or else God will take their land from them.

I dunno though, I'm not really in touch with many members of the Jewish faith, or, if I am, I don't know about it because they don't talk about it.

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Ok, Jewish Zionists. Jews is a really broad term.
 
Roman said:
I understand there are certain sects of Judaism that don't support Israel, but isn't zionism a big deal in Judaism? Like all the Old Testament is about killing people so God will give them their land back. And when they do get their land back, they have to continue killing people or else God will take their land from them.

I dunno though, I'm not really in touch with many members of the Jewish faith, or, if I am, I don't know about it because they don't talk about it.

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Ok, Jewish Zionists. Jews is a really broad term.
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Depends on the Jew, for I would assume a large percentage of secular Jews don't give a shit about Israel these being a personal account not actual statistics. There are many open synagogues, you could always go to one on passover and get a crash course on Judaism, depending on the sect you could get served anything from an orange on the seder plate (liberal secular jews) to blood breed (passover with the 5 jewish bankers that secretly control the world).

Don't forget there are Christian Zionist too, who seek for the jews to take over biblical Israel so jews will come back and smite all disbelievers (including jews) with the coming of the apocalypse. These people are a significant reason for why the USA forks out so much to israel.
 
ElectricFetus said:
Depends on the Jew, for I would assume a large percentage of secular Jews don't give a shit about Israel these being a personal account not actual statistics. There are many open synagogues, you could always go to one on passover and get a crash course on Judaism, depending on the sect you could get served anything from an orange on the seder plate (liberal secular jews) to blood breed (passover with the 5 jewish bankers that secretly control the world).

Don't forget there are Christian Zionist too, who seek for the jews to take over biblical Israel so jews will come back and smite all disbelievers (including jews) with the coming of the apocalypse. These people are a significant reason for why the USA forks out so much to israel.
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Oh great greasy gobs of goose shit!,

The protocols of the Elders of Zion, justification, the notorious antisemitic hoax and forgery,

are you really that FRIGGING ignorant?
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Oh great greasy gobs of goose shit!,

The protocols of the Elders of Zion, justification, the notorious antisemitic hoax and forgery,

are you really that FRIGGING ignorant?
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Sarcasm is beyond you. Though blood breed is worth a try if only for that sweet flavor of Christian baby flesh.
 
ElectricFetus said:
Sarcasm is beyond you. Though blood breed is worth a try if only for that sweet flavor of Christian baby flesh.
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Well the Hamas firmly believe in the The protocols of the Elders of Zion, they use it as their justification for their endless war against Israel.

And The protocols of the Elders of Zion, identified Zionism, is used as mitigation by liberals for the actions of the Palestinians, and Arab terrorism across the world.

And you seem to totally ignore all of the concessions forwarded by the Israelis in the pursuit of Peace.

The Oslo Accords, the Palestinians would have received 95% of what they wanted, just not dismantling and the removal of Israel from the Middle East, and the Palestinians refused the agreement.

The with drawl from the Gaza, and the West Bank............
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Well the Hamas firmly believe in the The protocols of the Elders of Zion, they use it as their justification for their endless war against Israel.
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I think we both already agreed that Hamas is foaming at the mouth rabidly insane, that was simple a unstated fact to begin with.

And The protocols of the Elders of Zion, identified Zionism, is used as mitigation by liberals for the actions of the Palestinians, and Arab terrorism across the world.
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I could have a rumor that Nazism is a vampire conspiracy, just because said rumor is a fabrication does not mean Nazism is actually good. Likewise if your opponent declares 2+2 is 5, does not mean everything else they say is wrong.

And you seem to totally ignore all of the concessions forwarded by the Israelis in the pursuit of Peace.
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I never saw you state those concessions either, I could thus say your ignoring them.

The Oslo Accords, the Palestinians would have received 95% of what they wanted, just not dismantling and the removal of Israel from the Middle East, and the Palestinians refused the agreement.

The with drawl from the Gaza, and the West Bank............
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No shit, peace would be horrific for Palestinian leadership, they need strife in order to stay in power, that and any concession what so ever is politically risky for them as the Palestinian people are believed to take nothing other then death of every jew on earth.
 
John99 said:
Every country. It is called the three year plan.
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sounds good from a "The USA is broke, we are fuck royal, time to batten down all the hatches an get into a fetal position" prospective, any links or evidence to this claim though?
 
ElectricFetus said:
I think we both already agreed that Hamas is foaming at the mouth rabidly insane, that was simple a unstated fact to begin with.


I could have a rumor that Nazism is a vampire conspiracy, just because said rumor is a fabrication does not mean Nazism is actually good. Likewise if your opponent declares 2+2 is 5, does not mean everything else they say is wrong.


I never saw you state those concessions either, I could thus say your ignoring them.


No shit, peace would be horrific for Palestinian leadership, they need strife in order to stay in power, that and any concession what so ever is politically risky for them as the Palestinian people are believed to take nothing other then death of every jew on earth.
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Some times sarcasm is apparent only to the person who is trying to use it, and the debate has been heavy, abundant, meteoric.

ElectricFetus said:
I think we both already agreed that Hamas is foaming at the mouth rabidly insane, that was simple a unstated fact to begin with.
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And how do you deal with something that is Rabid? You put it down, the sad fact is that there are innocent Palestinians paying the price to put Hamas down, but you can't let the rabid insane government of Hamas continue, we couldn't do so in WWII, with the Nazis and Japanese, and the Israelis can't do so now in the Gaza.

ElectricFetus said:
I never saw you state those concessions either, I could thus say your ignoring them.
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From my perspective the concessions of Israel are abundantly apparent, so why do they have to be enumerated.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Some times sarcasm is apparent only to the person who is trying to use it, and the debate has been heavy, abundant, meteoric.
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No shit, "You keep trying to pick a fight, but I'm still just happy you're alive."

And how do you deal with something that is Rabid? You put it down, the sad fact is that there are innocent Palestinians paying the price to put Hamas down, but you can't let the rabid insane government of Hamas continue, we couldn't do so in WWII, with the Nazis and Japanese, and the Israelis can't do so now in the Gaza.
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Killing one rabid animal from a population of rabid animals is not going to do anything.

From my perspective the concessions of Israel are abundantly apparent, so why do they have to be enumerated.
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I don't know, your the one asking me to do it.
 
ElectricFetus said:
No shit, "You keep trying to pick a fight, but I'm still just happy you're alive."
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That was my thoughts about you, :D


ElectricFetus said:
Killing one rabid animal from a population of rabid animals is not going to do anything.
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Maybe I am a old softy, but I would hope there are still those, who are worth saving.


ElectricFetus said:
I don't know, your the one asking me to do it.
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What did I ask You?

Bad case of CRS occasionnaly.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Maybe I am a old softy, but I would hope there are still those, who are worth saving.
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it better to let nature take its course.

What did I ask You?
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You asked me to state concessions israel made, but you say it not relevant for you to state it.

John99 said:
made it up.
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K, by the way obama is Manchurian candidate made by aliens bent on world domination, they tried to pull the plug when they discovered the replicating machine mess up and their prefect candidate was black, but the obama was to power: he just stared at them and their heads exploded, then he begin his pre-programed but renegade quest for world domination, even the alien overlords are spiting acid in fear of him, nothing has stopped him yet, but they say fried chicken, watermellons and purple grape juice might be our only hope.
 
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