This is too much to bear anymore!!!
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Call me pessimistic, but no. You'd have to change the outlook of the proliteriat, which isn't going to happen in this case.
Probably both. Anyway, I think it's that a moral sense of right and wrong is built into the question - and I'm as guilty of that as anyone, I suppose. How would we go about building on their similarities? Or: where would we start?
Ophiolite
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I believe Carter's brokering of the peace settelment between Israel and Egypt was based upon exactly this approach.
Where do we start? We are all humans. A dead child is a dead child regardless of the religion of its parents. Do we truly want to see more dead children littering the streets? If you can reach agreement on that point, you move forward.
What about all the atrocities done by the arab states on the Palestinians, to be fair it seems like everyone mistreats these people not jut Israel. I'm not saying mistreatment of Palestine is right, only that the problem is far wider then Israel and should be look at from the perspective.
Buffalo Roam
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The difference was that, Egypt was ready for peace, and wanted a end to the constant war footing, it was costing them to much in revenue, and commerce.
Even today the Egyptians don't trust the Palestinians, as show how hard they ride herd on them at the border.
The Arab governments have created a two edged sword, for all their propaganda about the plight of the Palestinians, for the consumption of their own people, they are tired of living on the edge of war because the Palestinians keep poking a stick in Israelis eye.
Iran is the biggest problem, they are the main supplier to the Gaza, but don't have a common boarder with Israel, so if the situation goes ass up, they aren't going to catch the shit, like Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, or Syria.
The Arab State want this problem ended too, in the Favor of Israel it seems, or they would already be sending in the Troops, even Fatah for all the retoric is keeping a very low profile.
I thought the expression was "tits up", not "ass up". Though I must say, I like "ass up" too. Ever seen a cat in heat? It walks around ass up 24-7 until she gets poked. It`s really quite disgusting. And now for some meaningless smilies :jason::argue:::wtf:
Buffalo Roam
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Well Hamas with their ass up in the air has just got poked, and seems to be in for a real reaming, Israel has started the ground invasion.
Challenger78
Valued Senior Member
So what ? Nuke the whole thing ?
To those that keep insisting that it was the palestinians who did this, and/or that they deserve it after <insert event here>.
This invasion is supposedly from a internationally and morally superior culture and country. Yet they broke the ceasefire.
That, to me, says more about their character than any other governmental action.
Buffalo Roam
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The reason I used Ass Up, is from a movie," Big Jake ", Jake's son was wounded in the Butt by a pattern of buckshot, during a gun fight to rescue Jake's grand son, and Jake compliments his son, James, for the fact that he kept his head down in the fight, but then goes on to explain, that he should have kept his but down in that kind of a gun fight, there is always some smart bustard out there who is will to shoot you in the butt instead of the head, just for the fun of it.
Morbid comedy?
Comedy has its place, of a sort. After a fashion, that is. A morbid fashion. But one general way of looking at one of the problems people seem to be having with the Israel-Palestine conflict is the disparity of the forces involved. Indeed, Peter Schrank, of The Independent, has depicted the question aptly.
His counterpart at that paper, Mark Steel, also sounds off on the point:
There seems something disproportionate about the Israeli response, and bombing the university is an excellent example. In addition to the attack against an ostensibly civilian institution itself, the disruption of education in Palestine will only serve to extend the conflict. Historically, the destruction of intellectual institutions reduces moderating social influences, so that extremism finds less resistance among a population. Indeed, this serves Israel well if we presume that their wish is simply to torment Palestinians. However, in terms of Israeli long-term security, it may not be a productive strike.
People will inevitably point out that Palestinian rockets do kill, and this is true. But the one thing that hitting a university doesn't seem to accomplish is the destruction of the actual enemy. On the one hand, a spokesman for the Israeli Army accused the Islamic University of manufacturing Qassam rockets. Retired U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Robert Scales, however, offered an interesting counterpoint:
One troubling aspect of the bombing is that the general public only has the Israeli government's say-so to guarantee that the target was legitimate, and that credibility runs thin. To the other, Colin Powell did go to the U.N. with alleged "proof" of Iraqi weapons programs that turned out to be bogus. Inevitably, because of Israel's conduct and its associations with the U.S., just about any proof they provide will be either accepted and celebrated on a partisan basis, or widely doubted by nearly anyone else.
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Notes:
Steel, Mark. "So what have the Palestinians got to complain about?". The Independent. December 31, 2008. http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...lestinians-got-to-complain-about-1218135.html
Freid, Stephanie L. "Bombing of Islamic University: Strategic Target or War Crime?". FOX News. December 30, 2008. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,474084,00.html
See Also:
Schranck, Peter. "The Daily Cartoon". The Independent. January 4, 2009. http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/the-daily-cartoon-760940.html
Comedy has its place, of a sort. After a fashion, that is. A morbid fashion. But one general way of looking at one of the problems people seem to be having with the Israel-Palestine conflict is the disparity of the forces involved. Indeed, Peter Schrank, of The Independent, has depicted the question aptly.
His counterpart at that paper, Mark Steel, also sounds off on the point:
There seems something disproportionate about the Israeli response, and bombing the university is an excellent example. In addition to the attack against an ostensibly civilian institution itself, the disruption of education in Palestine will only serve to extend the conflict. Historically, the destruction of intellectual institutions reduces moderating social influences, so that extremism finds less resistance among a population. Indeed, this serves Israel well if we presume that their wish is simply to torment Palestinians. However, in terms of Israeli long-term security, it may not be a productive strike.
People will inevitably point out that Palestinian rockets do kill, and this is true. But the one thing that hitting a university doesn't seem to accomplish is the destruction of the actual enemy. On the one hand, a spokesman for the Israeli Army accused the Islamic University of manufacturing Qassam rockets. Retired U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Robert Scales, however, offered an interesting counterpoint:
One troubling aspect of the bombing is that the general public only has the Israeli government's say-so to guarantee that the target was legitimate, and that credibility runs thin. To the other, Colin Powell did go to the U.N. with alleged "proof" of Iraqi weapons programs that turned out to be bogus. Inevitably, because of Israel's conduct and its associations with the U.S., just about any proof they provide will be either accepted and celebrated on a partisan basis, or widely doubted by nearly anyone else.
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Notes:
Steel, Mark. "So what have the Palestinians got to complain about?". The Independent. December 31, 2008. http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...lestinians-got-to-complain-about-1218135.html
Freid, Stephanie L. "Bombing of Islamic University: Strategic Target or War Crime?". FOX News. December 30, 2008. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,474084,00.html
See Also:
Schranck, Peter. "The Daily Cartoon". The Independent. January 4, 2009. http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/the-daily-cartoon-760940.html
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
Some sling shots,
Buffalo Roam,
Those are some cute rockets, no wonder the Palestinians managed 4 kills out of 400 loses.
Those are some cute rockets, no wonder the Palestinians managed 4 kills out of 400 loses.
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
Still those are no sling shots, and it isn't due to lack of trying or will to do so.
Still Tiassa right , the Israelis have far superior military force.
and with neighbors like chuuush for a damned good reason.
they are terrorists.
dixonmassey
Valued Senior Member
Israel engages in ethnic cleansing and state terrorism to secure extra few dozen square miles of turf. After all, Jehovah gave them that land and Palestinians are not the first ones to be exterminated (according to the well known Holy book). Would Palestinians do the same had they been in the place of Jews? Most certainly. It's hard to put garbs of higher moral purpose on turf/extermination wars. Whoever prevails will become automatically a beacon of morality and divine providence.
Perpetuation of your own kind on the expense of strangers is what is life about. Survival is the prize. Who are you to judge nature's ways? Survival for what purpose exactly is the biggest unanswered question. Life is quite pointless, so is survival.
Perpetuation of your own kind on the expense of strangers is what is life about. Survival is the prize. Who are you to judge nature's ways? Survival for what purpose exactly is the biggest unanswered question. Life is quite pointless, so is survival.
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