we dont control rafiah crossing the Egyptians do.
The two state solution fate
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we dont control rafiah crossing the Egyptians do.
I still don't see what that has to do with settlements in Palestine.
That's complete bullshit about solders in the house with the guns. How can THAT be justified. Those poor people. Really, I'd try my hardest to move or if I couldn't move then try to legally convert to Judaism.
Again, I'm thinking, maybe (but maybe not) but maybe, trading the Temple Mount along with the rock, could possible buy all that settlement land?
The only real peaceful solution is through education. This would involve teaching people there is no God and that they shouldn't identify themselves as Muslim or Jew. But in that area, it just is never going to happen.
What I'm really worried about is that the only solution for many of the religious nut cases is genocide. When the whole of humanity is enveloped in some bio-engineered virus wiping out billions of innocent people, people that couldn't give two craps about YWHA or ALLAH, maybe then we'll think about eradicating these monotheism. It probably sounds stupid, but really, someone could be in a lab right now and tomorrow release a virus that does exactly that. We've made such viruses and it's a real possibility. I could tell, for some of these people that there isn't another solution.
All this bullshit over religion and a chunk of land the size of the Floridian pan handle.
MII
Note: I'm not advocating atheism, I can see that for many people atheism is too much of an ask. But Buddhism is harmless enough.
Again, I'm thinking, maybe (but maybe not) but maybe, trading the Temple Mount along with the rock, could possible buy all that settlement land?
The only real peaceful solution is through education. This would involve teaching people there is no God and that they shouldn't identify themselves as Muslim or Jew. But in that area, it just is never going to happen.
What I'm really worried about is that the only solution for many of the religious nut cases is genocide. When the whole of humanity is enveloped in some bio-engineered virus wiping out billions of innocent people, people that couldn't give two craps about YWHA or ALLAH, maybe then we'll think about eradicating these monotheism. It probably sounds stupid, but really, someone could be in a lab right now and tomorrow release a virus that does exactly that. We've made such viruses and it's a real possibility. I could tell, for some of these people that there isn't another solution.
All this bullshit over religion and a chunk of land the size of the Floridian pan handle.
MII
Note: I'm not advocating atheism, I can see that for many people atheism is too much of an ask. But Buddhism is harmless enough.
Hamas does not seem like the discussing type, they seem more like the "kill until our last breath" type.
No, you are incorrect. They have shown willingness to enter into dialogue. They are considered a "terrorist" organization, thus are excluded. Of course Zionism can be considered a "terrorist" organization also, if you consider the standard definition of "terrorism" and not the mythical definition created by Bush and Co.
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Really, I vote for the "kill until our last breath" type.
Israel strikes Gaza after militant rocket fire
Sunday, February 1, 2009 7:05 PM EST
The Associated Press
By MARK LAVIE Associated Press Writer
No way to get Israel to open the Boarder Crossings now is it.
It just proves that Hanas doesn't want them open.
Do you not perhaps think that the utterly disproportionate use of violence and intimidation against the people of Gaza falls into the above definition?
How is Gaza "ruled" by Hamas. They have complete control of the urban wasteland now?
How do you control a population of war refugees when there's little infrastructure, a severe shortage of housing, next to no medical facilities, and a lack of food so everyone is starving or severely undernourished? These Hamas guys must be really efficient.
Or the US-Israeli axis, is really good at repeating this mantra, the hope is that enough accepting morons in the West will believe they not only can do this, they're re-arming and training all the traumatised civilians to be terrorists.
That last option seems more believable somehow. Could the Western media be holding up a myth? "Unless we destroy terrorism and deny it all resources, by starving all the terrorists in Gaza, the world will fall apart".
How do you control a population of war refugees when there's little infrastructure, a severe shortage of housing, next to no medical facilities, and a lack of food so everyone is starving or severely undernourished? These Hamas guys must be really efficient.
Or the US-Israeli axis, is really good at repeating this mantra, the hope is that enough accepting morons in the West will believe they not only can do this, they're re-arming and training all the traumatised civilians to be terrorists.
That last option seems more believable somehow. Could the Western media be holding up a myth? "Unless we destroy terrorism and deny it all resources, by starving all the terrorists in Gaza, the world will fall apart".
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Guns, mainly.
It also helps if there are powerful external forces that you can exploit (either sponsors to give you material support, or enemies that you can use to rally the population to your side).
It's not a defeat if it advances your goals. And if your goals include staying in power, but not necessarily advancing the material interests of the people you rule over, then said urban destruction can indeed be a victory, if it leaves you with a stronger domestic political standing. Haven't you read 1984?
1. Why would your objective be to stay in power if you were democratically voted in to power.
2. How do you advance the material interest of your people under a blockade?
1. Why would your objective be to stay in power if you were democratically voted in to power.
Non sequitur. How you got into power does not have any bearing on your desire to remain in power.
Many of the history's nastiest dictators got into power through democratic means, after all.
By taking steps to end the blockade, presumably. Not sure why this is relevant, since advancing the material, and even national, interests of Palestinians is not part of Hamas's goals.
1. Hamas has more popular support now than ever before.
2. On what grounds do you make the statement: "since advancing the material, and even national, interests of Palestinians is not part of Hamas's goals" ?
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