The two state solution fate

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quadraphonics said:
the israeli conflict is far too nuanced and complex
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This past conflict was very simple.
Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim)
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Mr.Spock said:
can fit here - nothing ever changes

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Yes because Israel has NEVER done anything to provoke the arabs residents of the region. Its people like you and their mindless one side thinking that will be the reason that this conflict will continue untill the end of time.

You like to attack sam but your exactly the same as her.
 
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Stryder said:
I was referring to blame falling on the US,
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But the US didn't bomb Gaza, they only provided the bombs and the planes, and 5b annually to Israel's war effort, how can anyone blame the US??
/sarcasm
I didn't consider however how armaments from the US used by Israeli's could point at them [ed; at who?] etc. However even then there is enough munitions floating around the world with US markers to easily get planted too.
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So the US lets its munitions "float around"? How do I get hold of an f-16 fully loaded with sidewinders and AMRAMS? How about an artillery piece and a big stack of shells labelled "US ARMY". Do you know any good second-hand shops? Can I plant some spent munitions at your place after I've used them?

/double sarcasm
 
Raise your hand if you did not know israel has been making settlements in Palestine? ...Ok so what is news here? What would be needed is that the palestinians would be given control over the land and any settlements in there since the Palestinians out number the settler by 10 to 1, the settlers could live there, they just need to live under Palestinian rule. Anyways snowball chances in hell the leaders of israel would ever allow that.
 
disease said:
But the US didn't bomb Gaza, they only provided the bombs and the planes, and 5b annually to Israel's war effort, how can anyone blame the US??
/sarcasm
So the US lets its munitions "float around"? How do I get hold of an f-16 fully loaded with sidewinders and AMRAMS? How about an artillery piece and a big stack of shells labelled "US ARMY". Do you know any good second-hand shops? Can I plant some spent munitions at your place after I've used them?

/double sarcasm
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where was your sarcasm for the past 8 years?

or should i dig up your lovely opinion on Jews?
 
ElectricFetus said:
Raise your hand if you did not know israel has been making settlements in Palestine? ...Ok so what is news here? What would be needed is that the palestinians would be given control over the land and any settlements in there since the Palestinians out number the settler by 10 to 1, the settlers could live there, they just need to live under Palestinian rule. Anyways snowball chances in hell the leaders of israel would ever allow that.
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as if the latest events arent enough. iran has made gaza their eastern outpost because of their nuclear program. while we are fighting HAMAS they laugh all the way to a nuclear bomb. i just hope theyll use it on Europe first not on us.
 
Mr.Spock said:
as if the latest events arent enough. iran has made gaza their eastern outpost because of their nuclear program. while we are fighting HAMAS they laugh all the way to a nuclear bomb. i just hope theyll use it on Europe first not on us.
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I don't see what that has to do with Israel putting settlement in Palestine?
 
But Israel is already a Jewish outpost, a frontier region for Zionist aspirations.

The great fear of Zionism, is that its neighbours will one day constitute a greater military force than they can. And that their superior bloodline will be diluted by the lowly Arabs.
Now where have we heard that storyline before?
 
disease said:
But Israel is already a Jewish outpost, a frontier region for Zionist aspirations.

The great fear of Zionism, is that its neighbours will one day constitute a greater military force than they can. And that their superior bloodline will be diluted by the lowly Arabs.
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ho god what BS :roflmao:
 
But "you" didn't leave Gaza, this is Zionist propaganda BS.
You must be getting dizzy, all that rolling around on the floor you do.
 
disease said:
But "you" didn't leave Gaza, this is Zionist propaganda BS.
You must be getting dizzy, all that rolling around on the floor you do.
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we didnt leave Gaza?

so how do you call the uprooting of 10,000 people? but whats the point arguing with a megalomaniac?
 
I think the two state solution is doomed. A viable Palestinian state would require Israel to give up land( connecting gaza and the west bank. Historically countries split like that never work) , something that's not going to happen( the pro-zionist leadership of Israel will always put its wants ahead of everything including the safety of the jewish people.) Yes spock we could let Israel keep its ill gotten gains and gerrymander the shit out of the middle east but that will just end up with a funny looking palestinian state that is guaranteed to fail; though considering your views that may very well be what you want.
 
What of Zipi's statements? It seems like moderate Israeli politicians are willing to end settlements and remove these people by force.
 
Spokk said:
we didnt leave Gaza?
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You abandoned Gaza, then surrounded and besieged it. Didn't "you"?
so how do you call the uprooting of 10,000 people?
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An evacuation to a safer place, for the poor Jewish victims of Palestinian aggression, and the subsequent collective punishment of the savage barbarians in the contained area?
How's that? Does that fit your paradigm?
 
disease said:
But the US didn't bomb Gaza, they only provided the bombs and the planes, and 5b annually to Israel's war effort, how can anyone blame the US??
/sarcasm
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If you want to you could blame all armament makers, you won't here me complain. It would cover a number of other countries however, after all were did the Uzi originate from? Or the AK for that matter?

So the US lets its munitions "float around"? How do I get hold of an f-16 fully loaded with sidewinders and AMRAMS? How about an artillery piece and a big stack of shells labelled "US ARMY". Do you know any good second-hand shops? Can I plant some spent munitions at your place after I've used them?
/double sarcasm
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Sometimes there are "Strategic withdrawals" or places that people are captured or killed. They sometimes have weapons with them that then find themselves in the wrong hands and are usually sold on or hoarded.

There is of course those that sell surplus that aren't necessarily the country of origin.
 
If you want to you could blame all armament makers, you won't here me complain. It would cover a number of other countries however, after all were did the Uzi originate from? Or the AK for that matter?
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Israel and the USSR respectively.
 
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