The Trinity is an inherently Pagan Concept

Hapsburg

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In post-Nicean Christianity, the trinity became the core part of theology. Now, I am not completely sure of this interpretation, but I think it sums up the overall concept:

The personalities of Father, Son, and Spirit are considered separate manifestations of an equally transcendent and immanent theos, or Deity, which exists equally on the material plane (universe) and on an immaterial plane (heaven).

The Spirit is the most raw and core manifestation of the Deity, which permeates all matter and material reality and equally exists on a separate plane of existence. A good metaphor is like sunlight going through a glass window- the sun (deity) is on the outside of the window (immaterial reality), and most of the rays of light (divinity) are blocked and absorbed by the glass (barrier between material and immaterial reality); however, some light gets through, and warms and enlightens the room (material reality).
The Father is the Deity when laying down the law and interacting with material existence abstractly, i.e Old Testament. The Son is the Deity when interacting with material existence personally, i.e New Testament.


Now, Judaism, from which Christianity developed, had a very strict view of theology. God, and even more previously the Semitic pantheon, was viewed as strictly transcendent. It existed as a concrete entity with a particular manner of acting and behaviours, and was separate from the mortal plane entirely.

Christianity, which developed later and in a much more religiously pluralist environment, seems to have picked and mixed other religious ideas. This goes beyond simple holy days and absorbing cultures. They seem to have absorbed the very Indo-European Pagan concept of a triune deity. That is, a deity figure which has three manifestations, but is part of a single One and Whole. This is almost exclusive to Indo-European religions, and is a very foreign concept to Semitic religions, including the very unitarian views of Judaism and Islam, and the highly personalised pantheons of Egyptian polytheism. Other examples of triune figures in Indo-European traditions include the trimurti godhead in Hinduism which splits into Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva; and the mother goddess of Celtic mythology, which splits into the hag Cailleach, the winter queen Beira, and the youthful Brigid.

The trinity is, therefore, an inherently Pagan concept, and is entirely irrational and misplaced in a Semitic-derived religion such as Christianity.

Opinions? Concurrences? Rebuttals?
Discuss.
 
The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126

According to the Catholics themselves....

The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”


And the Holy Spirit is not a person but a Force..or tool that is used by God, given to his servants for the purpose of righteousness. Thus you are correct the Trinity does have origins outside the Christian monotheism that it was established as.
 
Other examples of triune figures in Indo-European traditions include the trimurti godhead in Hinduism which splits into Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva; and the mother goddess of Celtic mythology, which splits into the hag Cailleach, the winter queen Beira, and the youthful Brigid.

But what knowledge of distant Hinduism or Celtic lore did a group of Judean fishermen, tent merchants and camel drivers possess?
 
But what knowledge of distant Hinduism or Celtic lore did a group of Judean fishermen, tent merchants and camel drivers possess?
They all knew that the smallest number of legs that a stool must have for stability is THREE.

The general / poor masses would probably have had an inherent, if somewhat subconscious, understanding that THREE is required for stability - but only if all three were equal.

Just a thought.
 
That, and Judaea under Roman rule was a merchant and trade centre. It's not inconceivable that fishermen, tent salesmen, and camel drivers would interact with tradesmen coming from India and Gaul, and discuss things.
I mean, their main purpose of interacting was obviously trade, but the little side-banter on religion and philosophy and ethics and the nature of existence probably generated some thoughts among them. It's not too difficult to conceive that they adopted some ideas from them.
 
That, and Judaea under Roman rule was a merchant and trade centre. It's not inconceivable that fishermen, tent salesmen, and camel drivers would interact with tradesmen coming from India and Gaul, and discuss things.

I mean, their main purpose of interacting was obviously trade, but the little side-banter on religion and philosophy and ethics and the nature of existence probably generated some thoughts among them. It's not too difficult to conceive that they adopted some ideas from them.
I stand corrected Hap.

The concept of the Christian trinity was probably developed in Alexandria a few centuries after Jesus among Christian intellectuals, not the simple folk portrayed as the followers of Christ in the Gospels.

And we know that these people were aware at least of Indian Philosophy. The lore of the 'Gymnosophists' (Naked Wisemen) had been in circulation in fact for centuries among the Greeks, since Alexander.

This from Clement of Alexandria:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnosophists

"In the 2nd century CE, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria distinguishes the Gymnosophists, the philosophers of the Indians, from the Sramanas, "the philosophers of the Bactrians":

"Philosophy, then, with all its blessed advantages to man, flourished long ages ago among the barbarians, diffusing its light among the gentiles, and eventually penetrated into Greece. Its hierophants were the prophets among the Egyptians, the Chaldeans among the Assyrians, the Druids among the Galatians, the Sramanas of the Bactrians, and the philosophers of the Celts, the Magi among the Persians, who, as you know, announced beforehand the birth of the Saviour, being led by a star till they arrived in the land of Judaea, and among the Indians the Gymnosophists, and other philosophers of barbarous nations."
 
Many fundamentalist Christians would no doubt dispute the Trinity is a pagan concept.

From an excerpt at www.carm.org:

Note: in the verses in Genesis that have God saying "Let us make..., Let us go down . . . , etc." are clues to the Trinitarian nature of God. God is a Trinity of persons: a Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. There are not three Gods, but one. There are those who insist that the Trinity is polytheistic. But it is not. Trinitarians believe in a single being who is God.

Here is the page I saw the quote.


http://www.carm.org/diff/Gen1_26.htm


Now...from an Ancient Egyptian perspective:

The Trinity principle pervaded the entire system of ancient Egyptian mythology.
The supreme being,Nebertcher,is known as the one who expresses as three.
From an inscription found in the pyramid tombs .."I became from God one,Gods three"

Three refers to the three states of consciousness..waking,dream and dreamless deep state...and the three modes of creation: consciousness,mind and matter of heaven and Earth.

The trinity emanates from the singular source of creation...the supreme being (the Neter) or manisfested as the earliest form of Goddess Aset(the divine cow who gave birth to Ra) sometimes called Goddess Net or Neith.

One symbolizes the supreme trancendental divinity and the three symbolize the multiplicity of creation which at all times is sustained by divine will.

Another classic example of the Egyptian trinity is the Ausarian resurection tale which has many parallels to the birth of Christ.Later on incorporated into the cult and mythology of Isis.
Aset (Isis) ,Asar (Osiris) and Heru (Horus) (greek names in brackets)

References:

African Religion Volume 5: The Goddess --by Muata Ashby

Isis in the Ancient World --by R.E Witt
 
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I believe that is countered by the refrence of encyclopedia's I posted.
the Trinity Doctrine is incompletely alien to the scriptures....and the Catholic Encylopedia squares that away.
 
TRINITY a modified version of TRIMURTI

Unity of three? or thrice UNITED? or Three-Knit? or thrice Knit?
Well, the shortest way of understanding TRINITY is none other than digging up the old concept of TRIMURTI.
 
Tri·mur·ti
n. Hinduism
The triad of gods consisting of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer as the three highest manifestations of the one ultimate reality.
 
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