The Romney File

Kind of. While fascism is a hard-right ideology, it seems to differ a bit from modern American conservatism in how it relates to labor. Where fascism worked by capturing and co-opting the labor unions, our conservatives seem to want to just destroy them entirely. I tend to think that makes them less threatening than the old fascists, since it's a Quixotic pursuit that means they'll never get into a position to exert totalizing influence on the polity.

Interestingly, I was actually thinking just a short while ago about how Pink Floyd (rather, Roger Waters--The Final Cut) and Crass were genuinely a thorn in M. Thatcher's side. Pink Floyd is one thing, but Crass?! And I was trying to think of American analogues: Woodie Guthrie? Phil Ochs? John Lennon? But they were more COINTELPRO or J.E. Hoover "pet" concerns, and didn't seem to register on the same level.

But what got me to thinking about this was Paul Ryan's remark about liking Rage Against The Machine--but not their politics. I mean, how do people get away with spouting such nonsense? On one level, this question invites an Adorno-esque or McCluhan-esque line of enquiry; but on another, it's about populist appeal:

How do Republicans maintain their "base"--the lower-income bracket types amongst them, that is--while openly and blatantly shitting all over them all the while? Romney "jokes" that he's also "unemployed," Ryan expresses admiration for labor activists (?! Tom Morello, that is)--every day it just becomes more and more absurd.

In some respects I find them more frightening than old-school fascists precisely because they've largely abandoned appeals to populist sentiment and yet do not seem to be hurting much by doing so.
 
Dog Throw

Pander and Pivot, or Pander Some More?

Darn it all, I missed the opening of this year's Values Voter Summit. The annual gathering of social conservatives and religious tinfoils opened yesterday, and boy howdy, what a show it's been so far:

Of particular interest, though, was a man who calls himself Kamal Saleem. The title he gave himself is "former terrorist."

He had all kinds of unique insights to share, but I found this one especially interesting. According to Saleem, whose real name is Khodor Shami, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is currently working with Islamic countries and the United Nations to "subjugate American people to be arrested and put to jail and their churches and synagogues shut down." All of this, he said, will happen early next year—March, at the latest.

Values Voter Summit attendees, instead of turning to one another and asking, "What on earth is this strange man talking about?" actually cheered Saleem's bizarre conspiracy theories.

As Rachel noted on the show last night, this is the same right-wing activist who says President Obama is secretly praying Islamic prayers when it looks like he's pledging allegiance to the American flag; insists Americans will be "wearing rag heads" is immigration reform is approved; and argues that the Roe v. Wade precedent leads to "Sharia law."

Right Wing Watch added, "We have been covering the absurd, bizarre and paranoid rantings of phony ex-terrorist Kamal Saleem as he emerged on the Religious Right scene, and today he had his biggest platform yet at the Values Voter Summit, where he was preceded by Ohio congressman Jim Jordan and a video message by Mitt Romney."

Joining this fake former terrorist on the guest list is the Republican presidential nominee, the Republican vice presidential nominee, two sitting Republican governors, two sitting Republican U.S. senators, and six sitting Republican U.S. House members, including the House Majority Leader.


(Benen)

It is easy enough to gasp at the seeming insanity of the VVS, but let us try, for the moment, to put this in the context of pander and pivot.

During the primaries, candidates frequently play (pander) to the party base in order to consolidate support for nomination. After winning nomination, these candidates usually tack (pivot) to a course intended to expand the nominee's appeal among the general electorate. It is a longstanding routine, perhaps even traditional.

This year, though, Romney advisor Eric Fehrnstrom broke one of the unwritten rules of politics—"Don't come right out and say it"—when he described Romney's campaign as an "Etch-a-Sketch". Informed voters are already instinctively aware of pander and pivot; Romney could easily have pivoted after winning enough states to secure the nomination. And, indeed, Fehrnstrom, with his clumsy analogy, announced to the world that the governor intended to do just that.

But, so far, there really hasn't been much of a pivot.

At first glance, this doesn't seem to make sense: Why restrict electoral appeal? What is the payoff?

The conventional wisdom behind pander and pivot is to secure the base by pandering and then appeal to the swing bloc with the pivot. But this year, the swing bloc is something of a question mark. Some put the number of genuinely undecided voters at around two percent. A recent battleground state poll suggested 5-6% of voters in certain, vital states are up for grabs. The difference is tremendously important:

If the number of voters in play is two percent, then the Romney campaign might well be gambling on voter turnout. The hardline right wing has always been a risk for the GOP; while few among them will vote for Democrats, there are plenty who will stay home on Election Day if they don't feel like they have a dog in the fight.

Ifthe number of voters in play is five to six percent in battleground states, then the Romney campaign needs some sort of pivot in order to collect some of those votes.​

The nearest explanation I can suggest is that the electorate is so polarized this year that the Romney campaign is banking on voter enthusiasm among hardline conservatives. That is, losing a certain amount of the hard-right base to indifference might well be a bigger risk, in Team Romney's assessment, than losing a share of the two percent in play.

But if that number is five or six percent, they've made a really risky gamble—indeed, it might be one they cannot win.

If we stick with the idea that Team Romney is writing off its share of a small swing bloc in battleground states, the campaign starts to make a certain amount of sense. Romney's path to victory really is a state-by-battleground-state fight, and in red-leaning or toss-up states, enthusiasm among the base might well make all the difference in the world to whether or not the former Massachusetts governor has a chance in this election.

One effect of this outcome could be that Republicans are setting up for one of those elections that history will describe in legendary terms, when two paradigms came head to head against each other in the arena. But it's not so much a straight conservative-liberal divide. One risk in the calculation is that the two blocs might well be "R" and "not R". If it was simply a liberal-conservative divide in a year when the issues were so well-defined that the swing bloc settled early, Mitt Romney would win this election. If, however, it is a broader question, of those identifying with R (Republican, Romney, right-wing, &c.) and those identifying as not R, the paradigm-wedge (no-pivot) strategy will bust.

That it is not a straight-up paradigm fight, but, rather, identity-politic versus anti-identification, will temper the value of describing the election in legendary terms. The actual proportion of swing voters up for grabs in battleground states will determine the wisdom of a no-pivot Romney campaign.

And, of course, all this is largely speculative, insofar as we cannot really know what the Romney campaign is actually thinking; even when it would be to their benefit to tell us, they won't.

But Mitt Romney's determination to continue pandering to the hardline right wing and lunatic fringe actually makes sense within certain parameters, namely a tiny swing bloc in battleground states. Voter enthusiasm in hard-right communities might well be the Republican path to victory if the viable swing bloc is so small. If, however, the swing bloc in those states reaches that five or six percent, it's a dog throw.
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Notes:

Benen, Steve. "This Week in God". The Maddow Blog. September 15, 2012. MaddowBlog.MSNBC.com. September 15, 2012. http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/15/13882411-this-week-in-god
 
More on Polls, Undecided Voters

More on Polls, Undecided Voters

Liz Marlantes decodes the latest murmur about polling results:

We're kidding, of course (hold your outraged comments, Romney supporters!). But as the old saying goes, there's some truth in every jest. It now appears safe to say that Mr. Obama did, in fact, get a real bounce out of the Democratic convention – and, even more important, that bounce is showing up in key swing states. According to a new set of NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist polls, Obama is now leading Mitt Romney by 7 points in Ohio and 5 points in Florida and Virginia.

True, that's just one set of polls. But even the aggregate polling out there is in Obama's favor. The RealClearPolitics polling average right now has Obama up by 4.2 percentage points in Ohio, 1.3 points in Florida, and 0.4 points in Virginia. The last is an admittedly scant edge, but the Virginia average incorporates more outdated data, since there have been fewer recent polls to draw on ....

.... According to the NBC/WSJ/Marist polls, the number of undecided voters in the swing states at this point is downright tiny. In Ohio, for example, just 6 percent were undecided – which means that if Romney were to wind up winning every one of those undecided voters, he would still fall short.

And as MSNBC's First Read points out, a lot of those undecided voters probably aren't going to bother casting ballots in the end. They write: "These are voters who simply aren't paying attention .... they seem disengaged from the campaign, and they don't call themselves enthusiastic about the election. They are probably NOT voters."

In other words, we've now reached the point in the campaign when opinions have become fairly set. Most people who are actually going to vote already know who they're voting for – and barring some big, unexpected event, they're not going to change their minds.

As our picture of the swing bloc resolves, it may well be that Team Romney is counting more on the boost they'll receive from high turnout among the party's most conservative.
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Notes:

Marlantes, Liz. "Swing state polls: Is Mitt Romney running out of time?" The Christian Science Monitor. September 14, 2012. CSMonitor.com. September 15, 2012. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Dec...tate-polls-Is-Mitt-Romney-running-out-of-time
 
Ignorance as a Badge of Honor

Santorum: Ignorance as a Badge of Honor

"We will never have the media on our side, ever, in this country. We will never have the elite smart people on our side, because they believe they should have the power to tell you what to do. So our colleges and universities, they're not going to be on our side. The conservative movement will always be – and that's why we founded Patriot Voices – the basic premise of America and American values will always be sustained through two institutions, the church and the family."


It is the most basic of confessions: Social conservatives will never have smart people on their side. We already know this because social conservatism is rooted in superstition and ignorance. Former U.S. senator Rick Santorum, however, looks at this lack of intellect as a badge of honor. After all, smart people don't really know anything. The American identity, according to Santorum, is rooted in superstition, and a superstitious assessment of family. No wonder Rep. Paul Ryan thinks the United states is "on a path to decline".

After all, if your standard for progress is the triumph of superstition over reality ....
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Notes:

Santorum, Rick. "Rick Santorum Values Voter Summit speech transcript". Politico. September 15, 2012. Politico.com. September 16, 2012. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81256.html

Benen, Steve. "Optimism vs. pessimism". The Maddow Blog. September 11, 2012. MaddowBlog.MSNBC.com. September 16, 2012. http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/11/13804494-optimism-vs-pessimism
 
Kansas: Objections Board Approves Obama's Place on Ballot After Complaint Withdrawn

Kansas: Romney Advisor, Objections Board Approve Obama's Place on Ballot After Complaint Withdrawn

The Kansas Objections Board accepted an objector's request to withdraw his complaint against President Barack Obama's place on the state's November ballot:

The Manhattan Republican who posed a formal challenge to President Barack Obama's place on the Kansas general election ballot Friday requested immediate withdrawal of the appeal due to an avalanche of criticism.

The Kansas Objections Board had taken the complaint filed by Joe Montgomery under advisement Thursday, pending requests for authenticated copies of Obama's birth records. The ballot issue was tied to Montgomery's assertion Obama wasn't qualified due to uncertainty about his U.S. citizenship and because his father was from Kenya.

"There has been a great deal of animosity and intimidation directed not only at me, but at people around me," Montgomery said in the formal request to Secretary of State Kris Kobach. "I don't wish to burden anyone with more of this negative reaction."


(Carpenter)

The all-Republican board had planned to meet on Friday last in order to consider evidence related to the complaint.

Kay Curtis, a spokeswoman for Secretary of State Kris Kobach, called the withdrawal "unprecedented".

In an interesting note, the "liberal media bias" conspiracy theorists ought to move to Kansas. The Capital Journal article describes the Birther conspiracy theory as follows:

On Thursday, Kobach was the most prominent advocate on the Kansas Objections Board for issuing a request to Hawaii, Arizona and Mississippi for birth records on Obama.

Obama and the White House previously released documents pointing to Hawaii as the president's place of birth. Arizona officials conducted an investigation of Obama's citizenship, while litigation in Mississippi put that state's inquiry under a spotlight.

In the complaint submitted by Montgomery, he asserted Obama had to be born of two U.S. citizens to be eligible for a presidential ballot in Kansas. He said Obama's father was from Kenya. The president's mother was born in Kansas.

Montgomery, who works as a communications coordinator for the College of Veterinary Medicine at Kansas State University, also expressed doubt Obama was born in Hawaii.

While the article quotes politicians from both sides of the aisle, including Democratic criticism of the inquiry, author Tim Carpenter and his editors did not see fit to include the point that Arizona has accepted Obama's citizenship, and Hawaii vociferously and unyieldingly asserts Obama's citizenship. There is no mention that the "previously released documents pointing to Hawaii as the president's place of birth" are legal and proper. That is, The Capital-Journal appears to be trying to play up the idea that there really is a controversy to settle.

Then again, it is Kansas. It's not like Obama is going to win the state. The risk assessment comparison between kicking a sitting president off the ballot for a tinfoil hate-fantasy and leaving President Obama to lose the state fairly ought to be obvious.

But this also seems to be more along the lines of what conservatives consider fair media; that is, if the facts favor the other side, a proper journalist has a duty to pretend the facts aren't really facts. By misrepresenting the situation as one of mere competing claims instead of a factually settled question, The Capital-Journal—part of Morris Communications, which runs a number of small newspapers in a handful of southern states—willfully tanked the story for Republicans.

One might also notice the lack of any specifics about the "intimidation" Mr. Montgomery alleged. It would be interesting, at least, to know the approximate shape and scale of that "intimidation". To the one, threats are inappropriate. To the other, conservatives have a long history of feeling antagonized and intimidated when other people laugh them off as ridiculous and delusional. And, well, who at The Capital-Journal wants to admit that Republicans are intimidated by reality?
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Notes:

Carpenter, Tim. "Kansan seeks end to Obama ballot challenge". The Capital-Journal. September 14, 2012. CJOnline.com. September 17, 2012. http://cjonline.com/news/2012-09-14/kansan-seeks-end-obama-ballot-challenge
 
Betting On the Base

Betting On the Base

As the horserace move to the stretch, the Romney campaign strategy crystallizes. McKay Coppins explains:

Mitt Romney's campaign has concluded that the 2012 election will not be decided by elusive, much-targeted undecided voters — but by the motivated partisans of the Republican base.

This shifting campaign calculus has produced a split in Romney's message. His talk show interviews and big ad buys continue to offer a straightforward economic focus aimed at traditional undecided voters. But out stumping day to day is a candidate who wants to talk about patriotism and God, and who is increasingly looking to connect with the right's intense, personal dislike for President Barack Obama.

Three Romney advisers told BuzzFeed the campaign's top priority now is to rally conservative Republicans, in hopes that they'll show up on Election Day, and drag their less politically-engaged friends with them. The earliest, ambiguous signal of this turn toward the party's right was the selection of Rep. Paul Ryan as Romney's running mate, a top Romney aide said.

"This is going to be a base election, and we need them to come out to vote," the aide said, explaining the pick.

Another adviser, who also discussed strategy on the condition of anonymity, described the campaign's key targets as Republican activists: "The people who are going to talk to their neighbors, drive them to the polls on Election Day, and hold their hands on the way in to vote."

This discussion is almost unavoidable for the Romney campaign in light of recent polling suggesting an extraordinarily high number of voters already settled on who they will vote for. With various data suggesting between two and six percent of the electorate still in play as a swing bloc, and Romney trailing in battleground states like Virginia, Ohio, and Florida, the Republican presidential campaign appears to have decided that voter enthusiasm among hardline conservatives will yield better returns than alienating that base bloc by playing to the swing vote.

So the plan, now, as one Republican strategist explained, is to "nuke Barack Obama into radioactive sludge" with a shockwave of television adverts in battleground states. "With 3000-4000 points of TV in September," explained Rick Wilson, who already knows what Karl Rove's superpac, as well as the unofficial "official" Romney superpac, will be doing: "It's going to be hitting in concert with terrible economic news, and it'll strike a chord."

Coppins notes:

That leaves Romney to spend most of his time on the trail delivering narrowly-focused messages meant to excite conservatives who weren't always behind him in the Republican primaries. (Ironically, what eventually won many of them over was Romney's argument that he would be the best candidate to win over moderate voters who traditionally decide the election.)

Setting the irony aside, it is a very interesting gamble. Apparently, Team Romney thinks it can win a head-to-head showdown between the right wing and pretty much everyone else.
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Notes:

Coppins, McKay. "Romney's New Strategy Turns Right". BuzzFeed. September 17, 2012. BuzzFeed.com. September 17, 2012. http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/romneys-new-strategy-turns-right
 
Pander and Pivot, or Pander Some More?

Darn it all, I missed the opening of this year's Values Voter Summit. The annual gathering of social conservatives and religious tinfoils opened yesterday, and boy howdy, what a show it's been so far:

Of particular interest, though, was a man who calls himself Kamal Saleem. The title he gave himself is "former terrorist."

He had all kinds of unique insights to share, but I found this one especially interesting. According to Saleem, whose real name is Khodor Shami, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is currently working with Islamic countries and the United Nations to "subjugate American people to be arrested and put to jail and their churches and synagogues shut down." All of this, he said, will happen early next year—March, at the latest.

Values Voter Summit attendees, instead of turning to one another and asking, "What on earth is this strange man talking about?" actually cheered Saleem's bizarre conspiracy theories.

As Rachel noted on the show last night, this is the same right-wing activist who says President Obama is secretly praying Islamic prayers when it looks like he's pledging allegiance to the American flag; insists Americans will be "wearing rag heads" is immigration reform is approved; and argues that the Roe v. Wade precedent leads to "Sharia law."

Right Wing Watch added, "We have been covering the absurd, bizarre and paranoid rantings of phony ex-terrorist Kamal Saleem as he emerged on the Religious Right scene, and today he had his biggest platform yet at the Values Voter Summit, where he was preceded by Ohio congressman Jim Jordan and a video message by Mitt Romney."

Joining this fake former terrorist on the guest list is the Republican presidential nominee, the Republican vice presidential nominee, two sitting Republican governors, two sitting Republican U.S. senators, and six sitting Republican U.S. House members, including the House Majority Leader.


(Benen)

It is easy enough to gasp at the seeming insanity of the VVS, but let us try, for the moment, to put this in the context of pander and pivot.

During the primaries, candidates frequently play (pander) to the party base in order to consolidate support for nomination. After winning nomination, these candidates usually tack (pivot) to a course intended to expand the nominee's appeal among the general electorate. It is a longstanding routine, perhaps even traditional.

This year, though, Romney advisor Eric Fehrnstrom broke one of the unwritten rules of politics—"Don't come right out and say it"—when he described Romney's campaign as an "Etch-a-Sketch". Informed voters are already instinctively aware of pander and pivot; Romney could easily have pivoted after winning enough states to secure the nomination. And, indeed, Fehrnstrom, with his clumsy analogy, announced to the world that the governor intended to do just that.

But, so far, there really hasn't been much of a pivot.

At first glance, this doesn't seem to make sense: Why restrict electoral appeal? What is the payoff?

The conventional wisdom behind pander and pivot is to secure the base by pandering and then appeal to the swing bloc with the pivot. But this year, the swing bloc is something of a question mark. Some put the number of genuinely undecided voters at around two percent. A recent battleground state poll suggested 5-6% of voters in certain, vital states are up for grabs. The difference is tremendously important:

If the number of voters in play is two percent, then the Romney campaign might well be gambling on voter turnout. The hardline right wing has always been a risk for the GOP; while few among them will vote for Democrats, there are plenty who will stay home on Election Day if they don't feel like they have a dog in the fight.

Ifthe number of voters in play is five to six percent in battleground states, then the Romney campaign needs some sort of pivot in order to collect some of those votes.​

The nearest explanation I can suggest is that the electorate is so polarized this year that the Romney campaign is banking on voter enthusiasm among hardline conservatives. That is, losing a certain amount of the hard-right base to indifference might well be a bigger risk, in Team Romney's assessment, than losing a share of the two percent in play.

But if that number is five or six percent, they've made a really risky gamble—indeed, it might be one they cannot win.

If we stick with the idea that Team Romney is writing off its share of a small swing bloc in battleground states, the campaign starts to make a certain amount of sense. Romney's path to victory really is a state-by-battleground-state fight, and in red-leaning or toss-up states, enthusiasm among the base might well make all the difference in the world to whether or not the former Massachusetts governor has a chance in this election.

One effect of this outcome could be that Republicans are setting up for one of those elections that history will describe in legendary terms, when two paradigms came head to head against each other in the arena. But it's not so much a straight conservative-liberal divide. One risk in the calculation is that the two blocs might well be "R" and "not R". If it was simply a liberal-conservative divide in a year when the issues were so well-defined that the swing bloc settled early, Mitt Romney would win this election. If, however, it is a broader question, of those identifying with R (Republican, Romney, right-wing, &c.) and those identifying as not R, the paradigm-wedge (no-pivot) strategy will bust.

That it is not a straight-up paradigm fight, but, rather, identity-politic versus anti-identification, will temper the value of describing the election in legendary terms. The actual proportion of swing voters up for grabs in battleground states will determine the wisdom of a no-pivot Romney campaign.

And, of course, all this is largely speculative, insofar as we cannot really know what the Romney campaign is actually thinking; even when it would be to their benefit to tell us, they won't.

But Mitt Romney's determination to continue pandering to the hardline right wing and lunatic fringe actually makes sense within certain parameters, namely a tiny swing bloc in battleground states. Voter enthusiasm in hard-right communities might well be the Republican path to victory if the viable swing bloc is so small. If, however, the swing bloc in those states reaches that five or six percent, it's a dog throw.
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Notes:

Benen, Steve. "This Week in God". The Maddow Blog. September 15, 2012. MaddowBlog.MSNBC.com. September 15, 2012. http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/15/13882411-this-week-in-god

Tell me you made that up. It will almost be more believable.

~String
 
Well ... er ... um ....

Superstring01 said:

Tell me you made that up.

Which part? The VVS report? I wish I could.

The strategic speculation? Well, yeah, that's my prognostication, but ... er ... um ... I had my reasons.
 
Obama still has a decent 5% lead and the 3 most important swing states are still his... The rest is just baloney.

On a side note, both parties are kind of interested in making (reporting it) as a close race. If a candidate has a decent lead, his voters might think "he is going to win without my vote anyway" and they might not turn out. So they have to make it look as a close one to ensure the voters turnout...
 
After insulting our allies, in a secret donor meeting with wealthy contributors, Romney insults the American voter.


"During a private fundraiser earlier this year, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney told a small group of wealthy contributors what he truly thinks of all the voters who support President Barack Obama. He dismissed these Americans as freeloaders who pay no taxes, who don't assume responsibility for their lives, and who think government should take care of them. Fielding a question from a donor about how he could triumph in November, Romney replied:

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

Romney went on: "[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
- Mother Jones


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

Romney's comments would seem to slander not only those who vote for Obama but all people receiving government entitlements (e.g. Social Security and Medicare). I guess the war on women wasn't big enough for him. So now he wants to declare a war on American seniors as well. According to Romney he is not going to concern himself with about half of the population - the half that doesn't support him. That is an astounding statement from a POTUS wanna be. The POTUS is supposed to be the president of all the nation, not just those who support him.
 
It seems as if he is trying to lose the election. Granted, this latest idiocy in describing half of the population as moochers occurred a few months ago, but he hasn't improved since then. And then there was this:

In one of the other videos, Romney lamented, in a joking way, that he would have a better chance of being elected if his father had been ethnically Mexican, rather than born to white parents living in Mexico.

"My dad, as you probably, know was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company. But he was born in Mexico ... and, uh, had he been born of, uh, Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot at winning this," Romney said. "But he was unfortunately born to Americans living in Mexico. ... I mean I say that jokingly, but it would be helpful to be Latino."

What the hell?
 
Joe, Bells, Capn K:

I think this is the quintessential evil of the Republican mindset which started rolling in the civil rights revival of the 1960s (I say revival because it was the clean-up operation after the post Civil War civil rights measures largely failed. The Civil Rights Act of 1877, for example, had to be enacted to force the officials in the southern states to comply with the 14th-16th Amendments.)

I don't think there is any issue larger than this in US politics. Their view that people want to be on welfare is bad enough. But this insidious hatred and denigration of human beings is emblematic of the evil that's at the core of "conservatism". I even hate that term, it's just a euphemism for chiselers and money grubbers. Indeed, were it not for hatred this faction would not even exist. They remind me of spoiled brats in preppy designer clothes and cool expensive cars bullying the kid who comes to school by bus with clothes hand made or bought at a garage sale. Worse, they've got a lot of sons and daughters of blue-collar workers on the sidelines, kissing up and putting the bullies on pedestals.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Their party is ruled by pathological personality types. I feel very fortunate that the majority of Americans understood this in 2008. I'm also glad to read the posts by those of you overseas who are better aware of what I'm saying here that a huge segment of the US population who ought to know better because they're immersed in it.

The culture wars will not be over until someone drags the patient down to see a shrink. How the hell do we do that? If the country were a person, it would be locked in a debate with itself, like dithering back and forth between remorse and lack of remorse, enough that any third party would probably call an ambulance. As far as I'm concerned you'd have to be pretty sick to back any republican president since Eisenhower -- and he merely earned his place as the last warrior-king.

joe, you are a genius. Your post crystallizes the real problem in America better than any.
 
What the hell?

What do you don't get? He was refering to the fact that nowadays being a white politican can be hidrance.... Minorities and women are in, rich white guys are out of favour...
 
Many politicians would have said something like:

As for Obama's supporters, while most of them are hard working, tax paying Americans,
there is a hard core who will not do anything to help themselves.
I tell those who are not prepared to work, to prepare for hard times ahead.
They will not get any help from me.


With the above, unless you have appeared at least twice on Jerry Springer,
you could think "He means those other people"
No. What Romney said was, essentially:

Obama voters, 47% of the population, are free-loading lazy bums.

At least he is refreshingly honest.
 
snip

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

Indeed, as Aqueous Id touched upon and, I will try to summarize concerning, is that Romney has shown a lack of concern for universal human rights. It's shocking to hear a leader in West in the 21st century speak against food, shelter, and medical care being universally available.
 
After insulting our allies, in a secret donor meeting with wealthy contributors, Romney insults the American voter.


"During a private fundraiser earlier this year, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney told a small group of wealthy contributors what he truly thinks of all the voters who support President Barack Obama. He dismissed these Americans as freeloaders who pay no taxes, who don't assume responsibility for their lives, and who think government should take care of them. Fielding a question from a donor about how he could triumph in November, Romney replied:

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

Romney went on: "[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
- Mother Jones


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

Yes, and I'm sure that every single one of those "wealthy contributors" present--like Romney--worked their way up from nothing--that is to say, they didn't go to elite prep schools (surely Romney was cleaning toilets to pay his tuition at Cranbrook, right?), their mommies and daddies didn't pay their way through uni, etc.

Normally I hold back online, and reserve my "true" persona for face-to-face encounters, but... well... I really fucking hate the rich--not all of them, mind, just most.

I learned this at university: I went to a respected--and obscenely expensive--private uni on full scholarship (acquired by being just the right combination of really poor and (apparently) really smart) and I was the only fuckin' kid on my dorm floor (first year) on scholarship--not just full scholarship, any scholarship. These little fucks had new cars, new everything, and an overwhelming sense of ENTITLEMENT.

And, as kids are wont to do, I was given a nickname: "the terrorist" (along with the unfortunate middle eastern kid on another floor who was always studying). I won't say this was entirely undeserved, for reasons I won't go into other than my admiration for authentic persons like Ulrike Meinhof, but still... Regardless, this moniker seemed to have less to do with... certain things... and a whole lot more to do with my politics and views on social justice.

No matter which "side" one is on, "those people" always seem to be accorded some curious characterizations--and ofttimes these are largely indefensible. And I won't even bother trying to defend or "justify" my hatred of the rich. But it seems that all sides accuse "those people" of feeling "entitled." Seriously though, which is more valid: feeling entitled to food, health care, and some sort of shelter? or feeling entitled to reap profit many hundreds of times larger than your average, or lowest paid, "underlings"?
 
COSTA MESA, Calif.—Mitt Romney stood by his comments captured on a hidden camera at a closed-door fundraiser earlier this year in which he called supporters of President Barack Obama "victims" and said they are reliant on government handouts.

In a hastily arranged news conference Monday night, he called his words "off the cuff" and "not elegantly stated," but given several opportunities to back off the comments, he did not.

Romney said he was merely talking about the "political process of drawing people into my own campaign." He described the incident as a "snippet of a question and answer session" and called on the full video to be released to show the question and his response in its full context.

Asked if he was worried that he had offended the 47 percent of people he mentioned in the statement, Romney did not back off his remarks.

"It's not elegantly stated, let me put it that way," Romney said. "I'm speaking off the cuff in response to a question, and I'm sure I can state it more clearly in a more effective way than I did in a setting like that and so I'm sure I'll point that out as time goes on."

But, he added, "It's a message which I am going to carry and continue to carry."

Still, Romney ignored a question about whether he really believes what he was saying. Asked if his words were reflective of his "core convictions," Romney simply walked away.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...s-were-not-elegantly-032830339--election.html

"I'm sure I can state it more clearly in a more effective way than I did in a setting like that" ... but I'm not going to right now.

What the fuck?! Is it really that hard to say whatever it is that you really meant? Cat got your tongue? Just fucking spit it out, like a normal person.
 
He continues to throw around the word 'entitlement', and this whole 47% thing is more of the same. But he and his group see entitlement, welfare, all that helping the downtrodden and unfortunates as a big moocher class. It is turning into (has been) a class warfare.

I guess he missed Obama's DNC speech, particularly the end. Where the idea that people aren't entitled to things, they should earn them with hard work, and especially the use of the word 'citizenship'. I doubt Romney would understand that whole 'helping your fellow being out' thing. Sure, welfare and other programs have their problems, but the general idea of a safety net for those in need is not some evil plot. Just like those 47% of voters aren't some outside group of non-citizens who can be shut down after the election.

I bet the Obama people are saying what comedians said when GWB got elected..."you're making our job too easy." The Obama campaign's hardest job now is reminding their voters they STILL need to turn out, no matter what else Romney does to himself. At this rate, he has a lot of time to self destruct even more.
 
A Contextual Consideration, of Sorts

Parmalee said:

"I'm sure I can state it more clearly in a more effective way than I did in a setting like that" ... but I'm not going to right now.

You know, it's just the weirdest thing. I happened to inadvertently land on page one of this thread just a couple minutes ago, and yes, the title I gave that post is, "He Has Many Supporters, or Maybe Just a Few Rich Ones, and You Don't Need to Know Who".

That was over a year ago.

The whole I'm-not-telling-you and you-don't-need-to-know thing seemed like a joke back then; that is, sure it was worth a political chuckle, but come on, if I had suggested this would still be going on, and appear a primary, first-tier tactic for the campaign, after the conventions, would that not have sounded a little partisan, ferocious, and full of crap?

With the "47%" gaffe, we get a glimpse inside the psychology of the Romney campaign.

It actually brings to mind an old line from Sir Mix A Lot:

So I say, Oogley-goo oogley-doo-doo-goo!
"What'd you say?" I ain't tellin' you.

You know, 'cause Mitt's game is laced with riddles; it ain't money, it's Mitt in the middle.

Er ... um ... right. Never mind.

But, yeah, these last couple days I keep hearing that phrase, "Oogley-goo, oogley-doo-doo-goo!" whenever Mitt hits the news cycle.

What strikes me most deeply, though, is that a big part of the 47% controversy is a non-story. There's a reason his remarks, made in May, have bounced around the internet without grabbing any attention; there are reasons Rachel Maddow didn't bite last month when someone posted them to YouTube under her name. (David Corn of Mother Jones, who broke the story for the current news cycle, conveyed that person's apology to Rachel last night, on the air.)

But now that the story has finally worked its way into the news cycle, well, what can I really say?

Without Romney's idiotic response to the scandal, it's one of those things I can certainly take with a grain of salt. As much as people lament the seeming inhumanity (or out-of-touchness, if such a phrase actually exists) of politicians, we also seem to demand it. In my own circles, I've witnessed a certain vacillation on the notion. Was a time when a generalized statement like that was taken as a colloquial expression. And then, perhaps in response to the back-and-forth petty politicking of the Clinton and Bush years, it seemed like people were willing to speak colloquially, but, even in conversations among friends, unwilling to listen colloquially. The forty-seven line can be taken colloquially, and in recent years I've known plenty of everyday people who speak so colloquially, but listen very literally; that is, they might say something so broad, and we're all expected to know what they mean, but if someone else speaks so colloquially, they take it literally.

Romney's choices were, literally, myriad. The best way, in my opinion, would have been to say, "You know, it was a private fundraiser, and there weren't supposed to be cameras. And hey, in those situations, we inject some colloquialism, some comedy, into our message. Nobody in that room took the forty-seven percent bit literally. But someone broke the rules, and now here we are, months later, arguing over taking it literally." As I see it, such a spin could have set the GOP up to devastate the footage; the person who shot the video has apparently said specifically that s/he isn't an infiltrator, but that wouldn't really have much effect if the GOP started yelling about dirty Democratic Party tricks and infiltration.

Instead, he made the point that we ought to take his words literally, which just reinforces his image as a rich guy with no clue about people who aren't rich.

Indeed, he went so far as to say the forty-seven crack was a more clear and effective expression than what he gives in public speeches.

Yesterday it emerged that the Romney campaign is betting on the base, trying to rally conservatives. Admittedly, by the end of the day, there were conflicting versions of the Team Romney strategy shift, but his response to the forty-seven issue seems to reaffirm the base-enthusiasm approach by which the votes lost on the hardline right wing by playing to the undecided voters is a greater number than could be won from an unusually small swing bloc.

In this sense, the forty-seven remark seems intended to rally the hardline base, which really does believe, or feel viscerally, or some such, that Obama voters really are entitlement babies who contribute nothing to society.

And, yes, if that's the case, Romney's defense of his words makes sense.

Well, sort of; I still think it's a huge gamble. The Democrats have the "Reagan Democrats" and the "Obamacans" in their camp; a better campaign might have brought the Obamacans back to the GOP, and won a decent number of Reagan Democrats, as well. Perhaps it's not a better campaign, but a better Republican Party. If Romney had some inherent credibility in the center, as he should have, then rallying the base instead of playing for the swing bloc makes better sense. But this is a dangerous, perhaps suicidal, throw of the dice.

When the books are written on the Romney campaign ... how many times have I heard that phrase lately?

There are many things people will claim should be the overriding theme of the Romney campaign, but in my opinion, this gamble ought to be the shining star. If it works, it will look genius. If it doesn't, it will be one of the worst political calculations in American history.

Meanwhile, tax returns and policy planks, Mitt ain't tellin' you. Or me. Or anybody else. And now, yes, it turns out he does have something he honestly believes, but it's not to be shared with anybody but rich donors, and only under circumstances when nobody else is supposed to hear: Mitt ain't tellin' you.

It's hard to believe this particular theme has emerged to such prominence. Then again, if the campaign is based on an anti-identification (i.e., "not Obama"), and someone has either convinced Romney or accepted his outlook that this should be sufficient to win, yes, there is a reason why Mitt is so reticent about details.

As such, it's not so hard to say what he really means, but, rather, someone has decided that the campaign will specifically avoid such statements in public.

And all of this actually ties into another point you made:

No matter which "side" one is on, "those people" always seem to be accorded some curious characterizations--and ofttimes these are largely indefensible.

In the conservative case, I would point to neocons and evangelicals. To start with the latter, it is enough to point out that evangelicals often express a very superficial comprehension of their faith that leads to a dualistic paradigm in which the armies of God are constantly at war with the legions of darkness. With the neoconservatives, though, it is the philosophical work of Leo Strauss, who actually advocates the value of identifying a society according to myth in order to create cohesion by raising devils, thus feeding a dualistic paradigm in which the good guys (i.e., American society) are constantly at war with the bad guys (i.e., communists, Muslims, labor unions, &c.). It gets so ridiculous sometimes that the party of Clint Eastwood (actor, mayor), Sonny Bono (musician, actor, congressman), and Ronald Reagan (actor, governor, president) will complain about the Hollywood elite any time a celebrity expresses a political opinion they don't like.

It's always dualistic at the core.

And Team Romney has apparently decided that the risk assessment favors playing to the base and rallying the hardline conservatives because the loss of their turnout would be greater than whatever handful of votes the GOP nominee could win from the swing bloc.

It's an interesting proposition, to be certain, and even a little worrisome in terms of concern about the outcome. They could pull this off, in the end, especially if circumstances weaken confidence in Obama. To wit, the foreign service attacks were one thing, and Romney clearly damaged his own campaign with his cold, cynical, and dishonest attack against the foreign service and the Obama administration. But as protests continue, Hizb'allah threatens the United States, and so on, the story could erode Obama's standing among what would normally be crossover voters.

It is, in my opinion, an incredibly risky—even stupid—gamble by Team Romney, but it is also one they might still win.
 
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