~The_Chosen~
Registered Senior Member
I will break this down into two obvious categories:
I will argue for a finite universe. But read carefully at what I am exactly arguing for. Origin in this thread would mean at the point from which something derives. Existence would be an argument of semantics, and atheists (such as Teg) would fall back onto the "everything is relative" argument and avoid the direct question. Then it would lead to excoriation from such debate, which is pestiferous.
Thank You.
- Finite Universe
- Infinite Universe
I will argue for a finite universe. But read carefully at what I am exactly arguing for. Origin in this thread would mean at the point from which something derives. Existence would be an argument of semantics, and atheists (such as Teg) would fall back onto the "everything is relative" argument and avoid the direct question. Then it would lead to excoriation from such debate, which is pestiferous.
- First of all, what do you atheists (especially you Cris) believe your infinite universe warrants?
- I believe in a finite universe because at some point the stars, planets, galaxies, superclusters, to great walls all formed or originated from an earlier derived point.
- The "infinite universe" argument is a failure to answer a simple question. How did things originate? How did things come to be? How would they argue for the formation of stars and galaxies? They would fall into the pit of creationism if they were to assume that stars, galaxies, and everthing else was "just there." They had to be formed, they had to be derived from something.
- Cris, argues that the universe must be infinite, because if it were not, there would be no point of existence.
However, I can conclude that something must be infinite since if there was a time when nothing existed then there could never have been a cause for something more to exist. We know the universe exists but we don’t know if anything else exists that might have caused it to be created. In which case the most reasonable hypothesis at the moment is that the universe is infinite, i.e. has no beginning and no end.
Cris - Now this is where what I say needs to be read carefully. Cris and I could be arguing for the same idea/concept, that existence is always infinite, energy always did exist. But what formed the matter/energy together to create what we call the "universe"? This is indeed a very perplexing scenario. So the definition of finite universe here means at some point the universe was derived, came to be (arguing from a standpoint of "existence" would be a case of semantics, and that is what I want to avoid, I do not want another "Teg argument" - that was indeed frivolous and laborious). You can argue all you want about how energy is infinite, but how does that explain the formation of the universe? How? Is the question to be asked and not why.
- Thus, I am arguing that at some point, a beginning point, the universe could be derived from to its current formation. For all I care, it's highly unlikely that the stars and galaxies were "just there" to begin with.
- Lastly, sorry if I am recondite anywhere in my post. Please do not assume and ask me rhetorical questions to clarify.
Thank You.
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