The Pope speaks: Muhammad had brought the world only "evil and inhuman" things. !!!!!

leopold99 said:
wallow in your propaganda sam.
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All the sources are American, leo.

Call it whatever you will propaganda if it helps you sleep easier at night, but don't pretend there is no complicity of the US.

Remember, Nazi Germany happened because the Germans closed their eyes to reality.
 
Vega said:
Sam,

You seem to answer a question with another question! why?

This is the same question I asked you yesterday, you evaded by saying that it was al-qaeda sunni's who didn't share the same Islamic logic as others.
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I hate making absolute statements with incomplete information.

What I know, I told you.

I cannot answer what I don't know.

That is why I said sort of answer, not the answer.
 
And Islamic terrorism is happening because Moslems are turning a blind eye to what is happening in their name today, and like that same time frame, the peace in our time, at any cost is getting people killed and letting the problem grow!
 
samcdkey said:
I hate making absolute statements with incomplete information.

What I know, I told you.

I cannot answer what I don't know.
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It would be more clear if you just said you didn't know the answer instead of evading the question like a politican!
 
Vega said:
It would be more clear if you just said you didn't know the answer instead of evading the question like a politican!
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I have some ideas but not enough information to back them up.

edit: did you read the Time article?
It makes some very good points.
 
Violence in Islam, whether in the form of terrorism, or the persecution of Christians and other minorities in the Muslim world, or capital punishment for an individual who turns away form Islam or death threats on Salman Rushdie for allegedly insulting prophet Muhammad, are not simply some isolated incidents or aberrations from the true and peaceful religion of Islam. Such violence in fact goes to the very roots of Islam as found in the Qur'an and the actions and teachings of the prophet of Islam himself. Osama bin Laden, quoted some of the very same Qur'anic and hadith passages that we have documented here in order to provide religious justification of his actions (see the transcript of his video tape in the New York Times, Fri, Dec. 14, 2001, B4).

We would like to conclude this section by referring to a program produced by Frontline and shown on PBS around the country, entitled "The Saudi Time Bomb." At one point in this program we were told about the state sponsored religious education in Saudi Arabia. According to Frontline, "approximately 35% of school studies is devoted to compulsory Saudi religious education." One of these textbooks published in 2000, was a collection of prophet Muhammad's sayings, which was used by middle school students in Saudi Arabia. One lesson is entitled, "The Victory of Muslims Over Jews." According to a tradition from prophet Muhammad, "The last hour won't come before the Muslims would fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them so Jews would hide behind rocks and tress. Then the rocks and trees would call: oh, Muslim, oh, servant of God! There is a Jew, behind me, come and kill him."
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Terrorism/islam_and_violence.html
 
leopold99 said:
Violence in Islam, whether in the form of terrorism, or the persecution of Christians and other minorities in the Muslim world, or capital punishment for an individual who turns away form Islam or death threats on Salman Rushdie for allegedly insulting prophet Muhammad, are not simply some isolated incidents or aberrations from the true and peaceful religion of Islam. Such violence in fact goes to the very roots of Islam as found in the Qur'an and the actions and teachings of the prophet of Islam himself. Osama bin Laden, quoted some of the very same Qur'anic and hadith passages that we have documented here in order to provide religious justification of his actions (see the transcript of his video tape in the New York Times, Fri, Dec. 14, 2001, B4).

We would like to conclude this section by referring to a program produced by Frontline and shown on PBS around the country, entitled "The Saudi Time Bomb." At one point in this program we were told about the state sponsored religious education in Saudi Arabia. According to Frontline, "approximately 35% of school studies is devoted to compulsory Saudi religious education." One of these textbooks published in 2000, was a collection of prophet Muhammad's sayings, which was used by middle school students in Saudi Arabia. One lesson is entitled, "The Victory of Muslims Over Jews." According to a tradition from prophet Muhammad, "The last hour won't come before the Muslims would fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them so Jews would hide behind rocks and tress. Then the rocks and trees would call: oh, Muslim, oh, servant of God! There is a Jew, behind me, come and kill him."
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Terrorism/islam_and_violence.html
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Can you get anything from a neutral non vested interest source?

Do you know who Osama's mentor was ?

Try this one:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0IBS/is_3_28/ai_89646696/pg_4
 
samcdkey said:
I have some ideas but not enough information to back them up.

edit: did you read the Time article?
It makes some very good points.
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Yes Indeed! Iraq might be split into 3 countries as a result of this!

wow the biblical prophecies coming true...

Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings .

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard , and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority .
 
Vega said:
Yes Indeed! Iraq might be split into 3 countries as a result of this!

wow the biblical prophecies coming true...

Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings .

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard , and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority .
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I don't know if you are funny or strange Vega, but you're interesting. :D
 
There are many dictators propped up by the US, and that's shameful ... but are you telling me that the US supports the current Syrian and Iranian governments? Those are both on Bush's 'axis of evil'. Does that make them any less corrupt? I don't think so. But it gets them quite a bit of popular support.

So what difference does it make? Corrupt dictator, hated by the people and supported by the West - or corrupt dictator, less hated by the people and hated by the West? Corrupt is corrupt is corrupt.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's one of the reasons Israel looks askance on the idea of a one-state solution: that they're afraid with an Arab majority Israel would become just another Arab dictatorship like the many around it. And that would be the end of European style liberalism.

samcdkey said:
Can you get anything from a neutral non vested interest source?
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Sources like that exist? :eek:
 
Zephyr said:
There are many dictators propped up by the US, and that's shameful ... but are you telling me that the US supports the current Syrian and Iranian governments? Those are both on Bush's 'axis of evil'. Does that make them any less corrupt? I don't think so. But it gets them quite a bit of popular support.

So what difference does it make? Corrupt dictator, hated by the people and supported by the West - or corrupt dictator, less hated by the people and hated by the West? Corrupt is corrupt is corrupt.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's one of the reasons Israel looks askance on the idea of a one-state solution: that they're afraid with an Arab majority Israel would become just another Arab dictatorship like the many around it. And that would be the end of European style liberalism.


Sources like that exist? :eek:
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Why do the Iranian and Syrian people hate the West?
 
samcdkey said:
Why do the Iranian and Syrian people hate the West?
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Do they? And which parts of the West? I hope they don't go the route of certain African leaders and claim that "human rights" are an evil imperialist Western construct designed to further oppress poor innocent non-Western dictators...
 
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