The Nonsense of Atheists

[RenaissanceMan]

Atheists have only a few fundamental points.

1. They're smarter than anyone else. Just ask them.

2. Read Item #1.

3. You're stupid if you're not an atheist.

4. A corollary of Item #1 is that atheists are "rational" and "scientific."
Ask them.

Of course history belies atheist lies. Take Copernicus, please. Or Isaac Newton. Or Francis Collins. Brilliant scientists and discoverers and Christians all.

Don't bother arguing with an atheist, however. It's simply futile.

Just read the excellent book, Answering the New Atheism: Dismantling Dawkins' Case Against God , by Hahn and Wiker.

Truly outstanding and now available in paperback.

 

[James R]

Atheists have only a few fundamental points.

1. They're smarter than anyone else. Just ask them.

Nah. Probably just smarter than you.

3. You're stupid if you're not an atheist.

Are you an atheist, then?

4. A corollary of Item #1 is that atheists are "rational" and "scientific."
Ask them.

Nah. Atheists can be as irrational as everybody else, yourself included.

Of course history belies atheist lies. Take Copernicus, please. Or Isaac Newton. Or Francis Collins. Brilliant scientists and discoverers and Christians all.

What atheist lies are you talking about? Nobody has denied that these men were Christian. Have they?

What discoveries has Francis Collins made, by the way?

Don't bother arguing with an atheist, however. It's simply futile.

Too smart for you?

Just read the excellent book, Answering the New Atheism: Dismantling Dawkins' Case Against God , by Hahn and Wiker.

Truly outstanding and now available in paperback.

Can you briefly summarise its arguments - or just the best one or two if you like.

Thanks.

 

[krreagan]

Atheists have only a few fundamental points.

At least we have "a few fundamental points". Theists on the other hand have no points at all. It's just faith and no substance!

KRR

 

[woowoo]

At least we have "a few fundamental points". Theists on the other hand have no points at all. It's just faith and no substance!

KRR

is this another "Pointless" thread?

 

[gmilam]

is this another "Pointless" thread?

We do seem to be lost in the pointless forest.

 

[Gremmie]

We do seem to be lost in the pointless forest.

Good point.

 

[gmilam]

Good point.

:cheers:

 

[JuNie]

Atheists have only a few fundamental points.

Of course history belies atheist lies. Take Copernicus, please. Or Isaac Newton. Or Francis Collins. Brilliant scientists and discoverers and Christians all.

http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/universe/211420/the-perimeter-of-ignorance

 

[Blindman]

Well done..

You're stupid if you're not an atheist.

Angels, devils, gods, magic. Thousands on competing religions. War and violence.. Yes you are stupid for following a religion. All of which where invented by mankind to control the masses for the benefit of the power hungry few.

Once again each religion is sure of the others untruth. You would have to be very stupid to believe all religions are right...

 

[Mr MacGillivray]

Just read the excellent book, Answering the New Atheism: Dismantling Dawkins' Case Against God , by Hahn and Wiker.

What I find 'stupid' about creationists is that they think Dawkins is the scientific community.

 

[Blindman]

I love the fact that religions have to write books against a wise proactive atheist. They are obviously threatened by a great mind. The loss of power is what religions fear not souls.

 

[lightgigantic]

I love the fact that religions have to write books against a wise proactive atheist.

its called philosophical discourse, and has a rich history before the new atheists and even a broader application beyond mere a/theistic ideologies

They are obviously threatened by a great mind. The loss of power is what religions fear not souls.

If that is what you think it kind of makes us wonder obvious threat and loss of power was biting at the heels of dawkins et al to inspire them to voice their opinion

 

[Jan Ardena]

We do seem to be lost in the pointless forest.

You said it little brother.
Nevermind, there is hope for you yet.

jan.

 

[birch]

Of course history belies atheist lies. Take Copernicus, please. Or Isaac Newton. Or Francis Collins. Brilliant scientists and discoverers and Christians all.

this is like deja vu.

christians use this (pathetic) same line often as if it's evidence. it's akin to 'probably they are right? i really don't know but since they are such brilliant scientists, that must validate christianity too. i will trust that it's true since they are validating my beliefs and they are so good at xyz.'

it's also pathetic and poor reasoning, as is typical. it's like claiming that if one is successful or right about one thing, then they must be right in all areas.

if i'm white and successful, then it must be that all whites are successful. if i am an accomplished musician, then i must also be an awesome athlete. if i am a good father, then it must be that i'm a good husband.

if i get one correct answer on a test, it is an indication that i will get everything on the test correctly. if i am an awesome mathmetician, then it must mean i am an awesome dancer.

piss-poor reasoning and not only that, unrealistic reasoning.

 

[Blindman]

If that is what you think it kind of makes us wonder obvious threat and loss of power was biting at the heels of dawkins et al to inspire them to voice their opinion

Atheists are not under threat of loss of power. We do not strive for money or power. We do not create organizations to extort income. The tything is a religious invention to maintain power. You are so typical in misrepresenting an imaginery atheist agenda

We seek nothing but freedom from religouse doctrine, a freedom not to brainwash the young into magical mumbo jumbo.

 

[birch]

Atheists are not under threat of loss of power. We do not strive for money or power. We do not create organizations to extort income. The tything is a religious invention to maintain power. You are so typical in misrepresenting an imaginery atheist agenda

We seek nothing but freedom from religouse doctrine, a freedom not to brainwash the young into magical mumbo jumbo.

heh. not only that, the OP missed a crucial difference. those scientists he is referring to in the past would be rolling in their graves that people like them would take liberties in misrepresenting them.

those scientists knew it was a "faith", even if they were christian. they knew they did not have evidence or proof.

if they were here today to speak to us all, it would probably shock the op to know they still could NOT validate christianity in the sense the op is claiming.

 

[lightgigantic]

Atheists are not under threat of loss of power. We do not strive for money or power. We do not create organizations to extort income. The tything is a religious invention to maintain power. You are so typical in misrepresenting an imaginery atheist agenda

actually my agenda was to press on a sore point in your presentation.
You cite the instance of coming forward with a critique as evidence of wallowing in the fear of a potentially insurmountable challenge.
You seem to forget that Dawkins et al atheistic work is a critique.
:shrug:

We seek nothing but freedom from religouse doctrine, a freedom not to brainwash the young into magical mumbo jumbo.

Don't hold your breath.
The new atheists narrow-minded fanatcism shares a remarkable parallel to the narrow minded theistic fanaticism it sets itself up to challenge.

Such is the cruel irony of extreme diametrically opposed ideologies.

 

[gmilam]

Don't hold your breath.
The new atheists narrow-minded fanatcism shares a remarkable parallel to the narrow minded theistic fanaticism it sets itself up to challenge.

Such is the cruel irony of extreme diametrically opposed ideologies.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

 

[lightgigantic]

this is like deja vu.

christians use this (pathetic) same line often as if it's evidence. it's akin to 'probably they are right? i really don't know but since they are such brilliant scientists, that must validate christianity too. i will trust that it's true since they are validating my beliefs and they are so good at xyz.'

it's also pathetic and poor reasoning, as is typical. it's like claiming that if one is successful or right about one thing, then they must be right in all areas.

actually what is pathetic is the attempt to pose science as something diametrically opposed to religion, which is of course the party line of the new atheists.

IMHO, citing various scientists of good standing in their profession who also happen to be fixed in their theistic world view is simply done to highlight the nonsense of atheists.

 

[gmilam]

actually what is pathetic is the attempt to pose science as something diametrically opposed to religion, which is of course the party line of the new atheists.

Many moons ago when I was in elementary school in Texas (the 1960s) it was the party line of the conservative Christians.