The need of Normalization of Homosexuality: CDC & Closeted men

Tiassa

Tiassa

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'Closeted' Men May Play Key Role in STD Spread: CDC (Reuters/Yahoo)
Young black men who have sex with other men are more likely than their peers to be closeted, meaning they have not disclosed their sexual orientation to others, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

And while such closeted men don't have a higher risk of HIV (news - web sites) and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) than "out" gay and bisexual men, "nondisclosers" are less likely to know that they carry the virus that causes AIDS and are more likely to have recently had sex with a woman, the CDC survey suggests.

The findings make it clear, the report's authors say, that more effort should be made to test closeted men and their sex partners--male and female--for HIV and STDs.

Men who have sex with other men but don't disclose their sexual orientation "are thought to be at particularly high risk for HIV infection because of low self-esteem, depression or lack of peer support and prevention services that are available" to men who are more open about their homosexuality, D. A. Shehan of the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas and colleagues write.

But the risks of HIV and other STDs that such men actually face are "unknown," the researchers note in the February 7th issue of the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.
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It has long been an assertion of the homosexual community that closeting is harmful, not only to the individual but to others. Now the CDC seems to be lending weight to that notion. And so I shall take this vital moment to ask, once again, Why does homosexuality require justification?

I've been through this drill before. In Oregon, the logic went that since homosexual teenagers suffered a 10% suicide rate, homosexuality must be unhealthy. The counterpoint was that such social alienation as is visited on homosexual teenagers--bear in mind that to call a heterosexual person a homosexual is intended to be an insult--leads to depression and an increased suicide rate.

Now I'm not sure we can sweep the issue back into the closet, as such. Instead of merely harming themselves, closeted gays apparently have an elevated potential to harm others without knowing it.

The longer we keep a thing underground, the less healthy it becomes.

How long must we push on people for the gender of their sexual partners?

Think of a simple conversation:

"I can't do lunch Tuesday because I have a doctor's appointment."
--What's up? Is everything okay?
"Yeah, I just have to pop over to the Jones Center to have some blood drawn."
--Jones Center? Isn't that the one in the gay district?
"Um ...."

Now, the issue at this point should become, Why does that matter? Are you going to offer me a ride? What relevance, then, does the gay district have? It's at this street and that avenue.

But like I said, to call someone a homosexual in the American culture at least is intended as an insult. With religious groups lining up to make life hell for them, it's quite understandable how someone examining their sexuality might not wish to disclose it. And now we see that hiding is simply unhealthy for everyone, not just the closeteer.

So I ask: Come on, can we all be done being squeamish about homosexuals? Please? Do it for everyone else's sake, if not for your own.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:
 
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Good advice

Just use protection- simple
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Good advice. Now, how does that play out in relation to the psychological and social factors at hand?

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:
 
And what protection should one use Lady? Do you know HIV can pass through the tiny holes in condoms? Which is why it is strongly recommended that two condoms are worn.

The safest way is to end the bigotry towards people who are only being the way they were born. But AIDS hasn't been a gay disease for a long time. In America it is at it's most alarming rate amongst heterosexuals and more alarming in African Americans. Sigh. If it wasn't for the crap when it first came out that it was a gay disease we wouldn't be where we are today with so many people dead and dieing.
 
AIDS is Gay

But AIDS hasn't been a gay disease for a long time.
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Ok, AIDS is really a disease for people who will screw anything with a pulse. People who get AIDs are by and large sluts (either homosexual or heterosexual). Monogamous people like myself have nothing to fear. I have no pity or empathy for whoremongers who get AIDS because they had anal sex with 50 partners in a month. They got what they had coming.

If AIDs is truly not a gay disease, why has the gay lobby strong armed our government into redirecting federal research monies to AIDs research (at the great detriment of heart disease and cancer research)? Given that about 1000 times as many people die of the latter two causes in America, this appears to be almost criminal.

We have the gay lobby bullying and suing a PRIVATE organization like the Boy Scouts. We have the gay lobby attempting to demolish our military forces by allowing openly gay men in.... note to you losers, the military is for KILLING, not for validating your deviant lifestyle. Gays are actively attempting to destroy the sanctity of marriage by legalizing same-sex marriage.

The fact of the matter is that homosexuals get their jollies by sticking their penis into an orifice which was made exclusively for the purpose of expelling human waste. That is just plain gross and bizarre. It ain't normal by a country mile. The bible has some very harsh criticism for those who involve themself in homosexual activity. Some very harsh criticism indeed.

Bottom line, if a homosexual INSISTS on making their deviant lifestyle public, they deserve what they get in return.
 
Hate to disappoint you but a lot of heterosexual men are into anal sex, so guess it isn't just gays that do that.

And it is people like you who believe AIDS to be a gay disease that wonder with shock how they got it.

Actually refrain that line would you, because it is only the Boy Scouts of America that does not allow Homosexuals, and America's military is one of the few that does not allow homosexuals.

The people that I know who got aids didn't screw around. Grow up and learn something instead of spouting off your hatred.
 
"Monogamous people like myself have nothing to fear."

Wow, you couldn't be much more wrong. Obviously any sexually transmitted disease is more likely to be found in someone who's had more sexual partners, but this is a gross generalization you've just made. And my cousin is a perfect example of why you're wrong.


"If AIDs is truly not a gay disease, why has the gay lobby strong armed our government into redirecting federal research monies to AIDs research (at the great detriment of heart disease and cancer research)?"

In the 1960s-70s it was found largely in the gay population and ignored. So the gay population fought for awareness. Now it's found in straight folk, gays and needle drug users.
If AIDS is a gay disease, is everyone in Africa gay???


"We have the gay lobby bullying and suing a PRIVATE organization like the Boy Scouts."

Boy Scouts aren't private. They receive funding from the government.


"We have the gay lobby attempting to demolish our military forces by allowing openly gay men in.... note to you losers, the military is for KILLING, not for validating your deviant lifestyle"

What makes you think gay men or women can't do just as good a job in the military as straight men or women?

Actually, you know what, you proved your not going to learn with one comment here; "the military is for KILLING". Thanks, I thought it was for defence. Maybe the name should be changed to Ministry of KILLING?

How does allowing gays into the military demolish it, by the way?


"Gays are actively attempting to destroy the sanctity of marriage by legalizing same-sex marriage"

How would this destroy the sanctity of marriage in any way?


"The fact of the matter is that homosexuals get their jollies by sticking their penis into an orifice which was made exclusively for the purpose of expelling human waste."

So then I take it you've never participated in or fantasized about oral sex. I mean, I think the last stats I saw (and these are Canadian) said that 95% of sexually active people have participated in oral sex.


"The bible has some very harsh criticism for those who involve themself in homosexual activity"

And the law/government should be run by the bible?
 
Good advice. Now, how does that play out in relation to the psychological and social factors at hand?





*** Honestly, no body cares, but I'll elaborate, a little...think of the psych of genuinely oppresed people, look around you.. contemplate what these individuals think and feel... imagine the thoughts and question that perplex blacks," what kinda evil inslaves millions, torments, and kills while using skin color as justification for actions? Who doesn't have psychological problems? Or perhaps the slaughterd Indian's will get justice? And the circle comes full this land taken or destroyed? And the list goes on... and on.. everybody wants justice.. But when it comes to groups dividing themselves up over sexuality it becomes stupid...anyways Normalizing homsexuality or any sexuality....... is no protection against disease.
 
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How interesting

Lady

I am intrigued by a combination of factors:
- Honestly, no body cares

- Normalizing homosexuality..another kinda sex...won't protect us against disease
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The second is presumptuous, and somewhat dependent on the presumptuousness of the first.

Closeted men are under greater stress and suffer greater alienation; whereas openly gay men have the "gay community" to fall back on, closeted homosexual men are in the closet, and not out in the community. They tend to take greater chances as a result, perhaps even acting recklessly in order to seize an opportunity; this circumstance would not exist were they out of the closet. This basic psychological pattern will play out to be a significant factor in the transmission of HIV to the closeted men. The article itself speaks well enough of what happens next.

Normalizing homosexuality will help protect the community at large for disease. A closeted gay man does not go through the standard preparations of buying condoms, toys, or whatever else he wants to go along with a comfortable situation. Less closeted men means more men willing to go through the normal preparations of sexuality.

It's a very basic set of factors to consider.
But when it comes to groups dividing themselves up over sexuality it becomes stupid.
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I'm glad you agree, for after all, that is the point of the homosexual advocates.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:
 
And what protection should one use Lady? Do you know HIV can pass through the tiny holes in condoms? Which is why it is strongly recommended that two condoms are worn.




** Then perhaps you should abstain or heed the instruction
 
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Re: How interesting

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Lady

I am intrigued by a combination of factors:The second is presumptuous, and somewhat dependent on the presumptuousness of the first.

Closeted men are under greater stress and suffer greater alienation; whereas openly gay men have the "gay community" to fall back on, closeted homosexual men are in the closet, and not out in the community. They tend to take greater chances as a result, perhaps even acting recklessly in order to seize an opportunity; this circumstance would not exist were they out of the closet. This basic psychological pattern will play out to be a significant factor in the transmission of HIV to the closeted men. The article itself speaks well enough of what happens next?
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** Should the world stop spinning on it's axis because a homosexual wants the world to know? If the closet doesn't want HIV than it betta use protection.

Normalizing homosexuality will help protect the community at large for disease. A closeted gay man does not go through the standard preparations of buying condoms, toys, or whatever else he wants to go along with a comfortable situation. Less closeted men means more men willing to go through the normal preparations of sexuality.
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** So you blame the stupidity of a man on the community? The commuity just needs to protect themselves.

It's a very basic set of factors to consider.I'm glad you agree, for after all, that is the point of the homosexual advocates.
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** Nah.. From what I SEEN it advocates sex of all natures, likewise, despisers of those who believe God is a judge.
 
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Should the world stop spinning on it's axis because a homosexual wants the world to know?
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Should the world stop spinning because someone has a problem with the gender of another's sexual partner? Ask Lon Mabon, who spent a decade raising the issue.
If the closet doesn't want HIV than it betta use protection.
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One of the practical matters this topic seeks to address.
So you blame the stupidity of a man on the community?
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No. I blame the alienation and social bias that compels individuals toward irresponsible decisions for fear of exposure. In that sense, yes, I do blame the community. After all, to call someone a homosexual is intended as an insult. Kind of like calling a man a woman.
The commuity just needs to protect themselves.
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One of the ways a community can protect itself in any issue is through education and understanding. When people understand that homosexuals are people, too, we'll all be better off for it.

Recent public support of homosexuality--e.g. city registers, benefit extensions to partners forbidden by law to marry--is encouraging. But there still exists a divisive voice in the community, a voice fueled by narrow religious fervor, that would prefer a superstitious, frightened, angry community. Just because these religious folks can't stop obsessing on the sex lives of other people does not mean we should allow a public danger (HIV) this kind of an inroad.
From what I SEEN it advocates sex of all natures, likewise, despisers of those who believe God is a judge
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Makes me wonder what you've seen, and where you're looking. On the other hand, I probably don't want to know. Perhaps if you are just more honest with yourself about human sexuality, your need to discuss it with topic after topic of pointless propaganda, and your need to insert yourself here with nothing substantial to say, would diminish. It would save you time and effort, to say the least, and might even show you more open roads to exploring sexual issues--ones by which you can learn.

See, right now you're taking part in something you've decried as stupid. I'm pretty sure you can curb this tendency if you just open up to yourself a little more.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:
 
hasnt anyone herd of needle stick???

hep C and AID's can pass by getting stick with a needle while a child is playing on a beach or a nurse who was trying to take a blood test gets hit by a flailing arm of a sick person
 
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Makes me wonder what you've seen, and where you're looking.
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**Scifourms.com


nothing substantial to say.
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** Then why do you bother? You don't respect my opinoin? Fine.


No. I blame the alienation and social bias that compels individuals toward irresponsible decisions for fear of exposure. In that sense, yes, I do blame the community. After all, to call someone a homosexual is intended as an insult. Kind of like calling a man a woman.
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** So this means they can't go to Rite Aide and get a condom or the deviant sex alarm will go off?Nobody Cares.
 
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getting off and getting sick are apolitical acts. Judging or categorizing anyone for either is fascist.
 
I'm just wondering, am I the only one who once Lady enters a thread like this, just can't be bothered with putting up with her crap and leave that thread?

There are some religious people that disgust me completely, and who have absolutely know idea of love or compassion. These are the people who go to the funerals of people who had AIDS to protest. People who are so sick in the head they have even turned up at the funerals of children.

Can people comprehend the damage that words can do to a person? Can the comprehend what damage that actions can do to a person?

My heart continually breaks every time I talk with a teenager who is on the edge of giving up, one or both of their parents have disowned them because of their sexuality. In some cases they have been kicked out of home for being the way that they were born. Drugs and alcohol abuse is such a major problem amongst homosexual youth because the hell that so many gay youth live through no one can begin to comprehend. I am going to be honest with you Lady. People like you are the reason that people's lives are such a hell they kill themselves. I hope you never ever have children, because I would truly fear the stability of any of your children if they happen to be gay.
 
Oh Lady just believe its those kids choose that’s all :p She think God would never make something as evil as a gay man/women so she thinks their just sick in the head and that calling them names and threatening them will somehow magically fix them.

As for me: if there is a god he made Adam, Eve, Steve, Lain and oh ya Pat.
 
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Jesus hung around with 12 guys all the time and never got married. That Mary Magdalene tried to get him to nail her but he wanted no part of it. I don't know about that guy- he looks kinda effeminate too.
 
Gays shouldn't worry too much

We know that their sexuality is a genetic defect.... nature screwed up horrifibly when that person was born. The day is coming when we will be able to overcome nature and breed homosexuality out of the human race. This entire discussion will be rendered mute when that day comes. (I am not sure if homosexuality is a mental disease or a genetic disease but I do know that NOBODY want to be one.)
 
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You seem like a pretty bright boy- can you comprehend these words?





** And protection will aid in the prevention of disease. If you can't grip this- than you deserve what comes to You (hetero, homo, you name it) Futhermore normalizing deviant sex has nothing to do with the prevention of disease. It only heightens the transference- Capesh
 
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