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UA geneticists have discovered the oldest known genetic branch of the human Y chromosome – the hereditary factor determining male sex.

The new divergent lineage, which was found in an individual who submitted his DNA to Family Tree DNA, a company specializing in DNA analysis to trace family roots, branched from the Y chromosome tree before the first appearance of anatomically modern humans in the fossil record.

The results are published in the American Journal of Human Genetics: http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297(13)00073-6

"Our analysis indicates this lineage diverged from previously known Y chromosomes about 300,000 ago, a time when anatomically modern humans had not yet evolved," said Michael Hammer, an associate professor in the University of Arizona's department of ecology and evolutionary biology and a research scientist at the UA's Arizona Research Labs. "This pushes back the time the last common Y chromosome ancestor lived by almost 70 percent."

Unlike the other human chromosomes, the majority of the Y chromosome does not exchange genetic material with other chromosomes, which makes it simpler to trace ancestral relationships among contemporary lineages. If two Y chromosomes carry the same mutation, it is because they share a common paternal ancestor at some point in the past. The more mutations that differ between two Y chromosomes the farther back in time the common ancestor lived.

Originally, a DNA sample obtained from an African American living in South Carolina was submitted to the National Geographic Genographic Project. When none of the genetic markers used to assign lineages to known Y chromosome groupings were found, the DNA sample was sent to Family Tree DNA for sequencing. Fernando Mendez, a postdoctoral researcher in Hammer's lab, led the effort to analyze the DNA sequence, which included more than 240,000 base pairs of the Y chromosome.

Hammer said "the most striking feature of this research is that a consumer genetic testing company identified a lineage that didn't fit anywhere on the existing Y chromosome tree, even though the tree had been constructed based on perhaps a half-million individuals or more. Nobody expected to find anything like this."

About 300,000 years ago falls around the time the Neanderthals are believed to have split from the ancestral human lineage. It was not until more than 100,000 years later that anatomically modern humans appear in the fossil record. They differ from the more archaic forms by a more lightly built skeleton, a smaller face tucked under a high forehead, the absence of a cranial ridge and smaller chins.

Hammer said the newly discovered Y chromosome variation is extremely rare. Through large database searches, his team eventually was able to find a similar chromosome in the Mbo, a population living in a tiny area of western Cameroon in sub-Saharan Africa.

"This was surprising because previously the most diverged branches of the Y chromosome were found in traditional hunter-gatherer populations such as Pygmies and the click-speaking KhoeSan, who are considered to be the most diverged human populations living today."

"Instead, the sample matched the Y chromosome DNA of 11 men, who all came from a very small region of western Cameroon," Hammer said. "And the sequences of those individuals are variable, so it's not like they all descended from the same grandfather."

Hammer cautions against popular concepts of "mitochondrial Eve" or "Y chromosome Adam" that suggest all of humankind descended from exactly one pair of humans that lived at a certain point in human evolution.

"There has been too much emphasis on this in the past," he said. "It is a misconception that the genealogy of a single genetic region reflects population divergence. Instead, our results suggest that there are pockets of genetically isolated communities that together preserve a great deal of human diversity."

Still, Hammer said, "It is likely that other divergent lineages will be found, whether in Africa or among African-Americans in the U.S. and that some of these may further increase the age of the Y chromosome tree."

He added: "There has been a lot of hype with people trying to trace their Y chromosome to different tribes, but this individual from South Carolina can say he did it."

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-03/uoa-hyc030413.php
 
UA geneticists have discovered the oldest known genetic branch of the human Y chromosome – the hereditary factor determining male sex.

The new divergent lineage, which was found in an individual who submitted his DNA to Family Tree DNA, a company specializing in DNA analysis to trace family roots, branched from the Y chromosome tree before the first appearance of anatomically modern humans in the fossil record.

The results are published in the American Journal of Human Genetics: http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297(13)00073-6

"Our analysis indicates this lineage diverged from previously known Y chromosomes about 300,000 ago, a time when anatomically modern humans had not yet evolved," said Michael Hammer, an associate professor in the University of Arizona's department of ecology and evolutionary biology and a research scientist at the UA's Arizona Research Labs. "This pushes back the time the last common Y chromosome ancestor lived by almost 70 percent."

Unlike the other human chromosomes, the majority of the Y chromosome does not exchange genetic material with other chromosomes, which makes it simpler to trace ancestral relationships among contemporary lineages. If two Y chromosomes carry the same mutation, it is because they share a common paternal ancestor at some point in the past. The more mutations that differ between two Y chromosomes the farther back in time the common ancestor lived.

Originally, a DNA sample obtained from an African American living in South Carolina was submitted to the National Geographic Genographic Project. When none of the genetic markers used to assign lineages to known Y chromosome groupings were found, the DNA sample was sent to Family Tree DNA for sequencing. Fernando Mendez, a postdoctoral researcher in Hammer's lab, led the effort to analyze the DNA sequence, which included more than 240,000 base pairs of the Y chromosome.

Hammer said "the most striking feature of this research is that a consumer genetic testing company identified a lineage that didn't fit anywhere on the existing Y chromosome tree, even though the tree had been constructed based on perhaps a half-million individuals or more. Nobody expected to find anything like this."

About 300,000 years ago falls around the time the Neanderthals are believed to have split from the ancestral human lineage. It was not until more than 100,000 years later that anatomically modern humans appear in the fossil record. They differ from the more archaic forms by a more lightly built skeleton, a smaller face tucked under a high forehead, the absence of a cranial ridge and smaller chins.

Hammer said the newly discovered Y chromosome variation is extremely rare. Through large database searches, his team eventually was able to find a similar chromosome in the Mbo, a population living in a tiny area of western Cameroon in sub-Saharan Africa.

"This was surprising because previously the most diverged branches of the Y chromosome were found in traditional hunter-gatherer populations such as Pygmies and the click-speaking KhoeSan, who are considered to be the most diverged human populations living today."

"Instead, the sample matched the Y chromosome DNA of 11 men, who all came from a very small region of western Cameroon," Hammer said. "And the sequences of those individuals are variable, so it's not like they all descended from the same grandfather."

Hammer cautions against popular concepts of "mitochondrial Eve" or "Y chromosome Adam" that suggest all of humankind descended from exactly one pair of humans that lived at a certain point in human evolution.

"There has been too much emphasis on this in the past," he said. "It is a misconception that the genealogy of a single genetic region reflects population divergence. Instead, our results suggest that there are pockets of genetically isolated communities that together preserve a great deal of human diversity."

Still, Hammer said, "It is likely that other divergent lineages will be found, whether in Africa or among African-Americans in the U.S. and that some of these may further increase the age of the Y chromosome tree."

He added: "There has been a lot of hype with people trying to trace their Y chromosome to different tribes, but this individual from South Carolina can say he did it."

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-03/uoa-hyc030413.php

today's truth might be different tomorrow with different findings. That is science
 
today's truth might be different tomorrow with different findings. That is science

No, that is your misunderstanding of science. Science doesn't say 'this is truth', it will say this is a theory that best explains a phenomena, that theory will stand until it is replaced by a better theory.
 
No, that is your misunderstanding of science. Science doesn't say 'this is truth', it will say this is a theory that best explains a phenomena, that theory will stand until it is replaced by a better theory.

I will take as theory you are right , but the others will take it as gospel
Bout for you and me we take things wit a grain of salt . ?
 
No, that is your misunderstanding of science. Science doesn't say 'this is truth', it will say this is a theory that best explains a phenomena, that theory will stand until it is replaced by a better theory.
Scientists are generally poor at communicating with laymen and one of the worst things they do is use terminology inconsistently. However, the least-confusing definition of "theory," which also conforms to its scientific usage in many contexts, is "a hypothesis that has been proven true beyond a reasonable doubt."

This, specifically, does not promise that the theory will never be overturned or (more likely) enhanced. It simply promises that the vast majority of the theories that comprise the canon of science are solid, so the canon can be used with confidence. The overturn rate of canonical theories is pretty low. Enhancement is more common, for example Einstein's enhancements to Newton's laws. We who will spend our entire lives in the gravity well of a large planet, and who will never travel at even one-millionth of the speed of light, can use Newton's Laws safely without even trying to understand relativity. It doesn't even affect our computers!
 
I'll just point out that whether true or not, this says nothing about society, civilization, the modern world, man getting "better", man "evolving" etc.
 
I'd like to see this compared with Neanderthal y-chromosome DNA. It appears that the Neanderthals were actually a sub-species; i.e. a variant of Homo sapiens, with some of their DNA still in some modern people.

If this is indeed the oldest (and that remains to be seen, but plausible), and m-Eve is not that old, then the parents of that boy who became the father of all men today would be the 'Adam and Eve' of our species; i.e. a single couple to which we all (male and female) can trace our ancestry.
 
I'd like to see this compared with Neanderthal y-chromosome DNA. It appears that the Neanderthals were actually a sub-species; i.e. a variant of Homo sapiens, with some of their DNA still in some modern people.

If this is indeed the oldest (and that remains to be seen, but plausible), and m-Eve is not that old, then the parents of that boy who became the father of all men today would be the 'Adam and Eve' of our species; i.e. a single couple to which we all (male and female) can trace our ancestry.

Neanderthal bones are about 400000 years old ? and have been found in Europe , that is prior the Ice age of 130000 years ago , Why could that not indicate that modern man evolved in the North and moved to North Africa to escape ice. Then slowly moved along the Nile river to Ethiopia, and an other branch to Laban.
 
Neanderthal bones are about 400000 years old ? and have been found in Europe , that is prior the Ice age of 130000 years ago , Why could that not indicate that modern man evolved in the North and moved to North Africa to escape ice. Then slowly moved along the Nile river to Ethiopia, and an other branch to Laban.

Quite plausible. Though Homo ancestors are primarily in Africa. But the Homo genus was world-wide before Homo sapiens developed, with an age estimate now pushed back to about 300,000 years ago. So it is plausible that y-Adam was from Europe, but his primary descendants moved to Africa, and removed out of Africa thereafter. mEve is dated to only about 150,000 years ago, but the dating via mitochondrial changes may not be as accurate as for y-Chromosome changes. But it is possible that m-Eve (the mother of all women alive today) lived 150 thousand years after y-Adam (the father of all men alive today). In any event, fully modern humans were living some 300,000 yeas ago. Makes ya think about all of our missing history.
 
Quite plausible. Though Homo ancestors are primarily in Africa. But the Homo genus was world-wide before Homo sapiens developed, with an age estimate now pushed back to about 300,000 years ago. So it is plausible that y-Adam was from Europe, but his primary descendants moved to Africa, and removed out of Africa thereafter. mEve is dated to only about 150,000 years ago, but the dating via mitochondrial changes may not be as accurate as for y-Chromosome changes. But it is possible that m-Eve (the mother of all women alive today) lived 150 thousand years after y-Adam (the father of all men alive today). In any event, fully modern humans were living some 300,000 yeas ago. Makes ya think about all of our missing history.

And there certainly is alot of missing history

At least that is being ignored by mainstream archaeology
 
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