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Lets hear the science. How did they determine genetic closeness? What was the sample? How was the sampling done? What statistical analysis was used? How did they reach their conclusions? Could you point to the original paper and data?
I've read similar studies before and they always fail on one or the other. Besides, its from Israel - they do nothing else more consistently than lie even if its by omission.
He never said they were Jewish, just the last defenders of Masada, the porcine ones, one imagines.
Is there any non-Israeli non-Jewish study with similar conclusions? Or do we have to wait for 50 years for some unpublished stuff to come to light?
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I’m acting on complaints I received regarding the above thread. Here are my findings and actions:
If only you had done so, S.A.M. Your supposed refutation seems to be nothing but your own subjective interpretations and the wholly unscientific premise that the findings can’t be correct simply because the authors are Jewish.
There have been two recent publications on the genetic relatedness of the Jewish diaspora.
S.A.M., if you wish to participate in the original thread you are required to address the specific data contained within either, or both, of these papers with referenced counter arguments.
I have moved the entire former content of that hijacked thread to this new thread. I've also moved it to Pseudoscience as I don’t believe the content constitutes a scientific discussion, and outrageous unsupportable nonsense like this...
...doesn’t deserve to reside in any of the science sub-forums.
And there you go.
Lets hear the science. How did they determine genetic closeness? What was the sample? How was the sampling done? What statistical analysis was used? How did they reach their conclusions? Could you point to the original paper and data?
I've read similar studies before and they always fail on one or the other. Besides, its from Israel - they do nothing else more consistently than lie even if its by omission.
Zias said that famed archaeologist Yigael Yadin, who excavated Masada, had noted in a book he wrote on the dig "that these were the remains of 24 persons thrown into the cave, the last defenders of Masada."
However, in an unpublished report, Yadin recorded the presence of pig bones in the cave in which he found the remains.
Addressing an international congress on the Dead Sea Scrolls, Zias said the presence of the pig bones was not publicly acknowledged until 1981, when Yadin admitted it to a Jerusalem Post reporter.
"I spoke to Yadin, and asked `How could you say they were Jewish?' said Zias of the remains. He said Yadin responded, "`I never said they were Jewish.'"
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/6241/buried-pig-bones-raise-questions/
He never said they were Jewish, just the last defenders of Masada, the porcine ones, one imagines.
Hmm...what novel techniques?Novel analytical techniques allowed the scientists to examine the genetic samples they took in unprecedented detail.
Is there any non-Israeli non-Jewish study with similar conclusions? Or do we have to wait for 50 years for some unpublished stuff to come to light?
Mod note: This is a split thread from New genetic study sheds light on Jewish diaspora
I’m acting on complaints I received regarding the above thread. Here are my findings and actions:
Lets hear the science.
If only you had done so, S.A.M. Your supposed refutation seems to be nothing but your own subjective interpretations and the wholly unscientific premise that the findings can’t be correct simply because the authors are Jewish.
There have been two recent publications on the genetic relatedness of the Jewish diaspora.
The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people
Behar et al.
Nature advance online publication 9 June 2010 | doi:10.1038/nature09103; Received 9 December 2009; Accepted 21 April 2010; Published online 9 June 2010
Abraham's Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry
Atzmon et al.
Am. J. Hum. Genet. doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015 (2010).
Behar et al.
Nature advance online publication 9 June 2010 | doi:10.1038/nature09103; Received 9 December 2009; Accepted 21 April 2010; Published online 9 June 2010
Abraham's Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry
Atzmon et al.
Am. J. Hum. Genet. doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015 (2010).
S.A.M., if you wish to participate in the original thread you are required to address the specific data contained within either, or both, of these papers with referenced counter arguments.
I have moved the entire former content of that hijacked thread to this new thread. I've also moved it to Pseudoscience as I don’t believe the content constitutes a scientific discussion, and outrageous unsupportable nonsense like this...
Besides, its from Israel - they do nothing else more consistently than lie even if its by omission.
...doesn’t deserve to reside in any of the science sub-forums.
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