How do you feel about Trump starting a war with Iran, just to improve his election chances in Nov. 2020 and deflect from his current impeachment scandal...?
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It may be that any US president would have done the same thing.
Not starting a war, though, Iran would just lose.
Schmelzer
Valued Senior Member
The warmongers have succeeded. I would guess by cheating Trump that murdering a "terrorist" would not mean war. But maybe it was not even cheating, because all this environment is simply too stupid to know it themselves. If he would think war is useful for the elections, he would have already started it before, when the US drone was shot. The impeachment does not look dangerous at all, too irrelevant to start a war. So, I don't think he decided to start a war. He simply thinks this means nothing serious.
But it means war. A clear religious statement that a big war is coming has been made:
https://twitter.com/SiffatZahra/status/1213412757107888128
Given that this is a religious signal, this is not something they would do just for fun and doing nothing after this.
Trump has no chance for a short time victory which would help him to win elections. But he will now be forced to start it because he has to react once the retaliation happens: And this will be something sufficiently serious. The retaliation has to be quite serious, sufficient to be accepted by the Umma as sufficient to revenge the murder of Suleimani. For this, simply killing some four-star US general will hardly be sufficient. So it will be far too much for the US, Trump would have to retaliate, else he would lose the elections because he behaves like a loser. So, war looks unavoidable now.
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yes. I get the impression probably quite incorrectly that there is much happening in the background we are uninformed about.
ie. That the Iraqi Government were only playing lip service to USA alliance and that, in collusion with Iran, were planing something big against the regional USA interests.
I am not so quick in declaring that this is a political stunt, but more about convenient timing for Trump.
Nah ...IMO .. in this case Trump knows exactly what he's doing...and fully prepared and expecting retaliation.
LaurieAG
Registered Senior Member
It's almost as if the US is the only one left using their old cold war playbook and this action has been fed to Trump at an opportune time as a vehicle to boost his popular support prior to the next election. The only difference is that the main target in the old playbook has been changed, and I don't mean the minor players.
The good thing is that Trump has "over egged" the pudding, in his own inimitable way, and prevented the fait accompli that was presented to him from ever occurring.
No evidence of that. Several Presidents have avoided starting wars for that or similar reason (Clinton, for one).
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Trump had not consolidated illegitimate power earlier, and despite his best efforts (on the Mexican border, in Venezuela, in SE Asia, with Yemen or Qatar, with Iran, via the military budget in the US, etc) was unable to gin up a sufficient reactionary justification. ( A US President cannot start a war merely by means of the legitimate powers of the office.)
He isn't competent at this, you understand - he wants to have a small war, drop big bombs on little people, repopulate Gitmo, etc, but has almost no experience with military force, and little knowledge of military issues. He also doesn't know any history - he has no idea how wars started in the past, what happened to those who started them and why, any of that stuff. Meanwhile, he doesn't know who to get advice from in dealing with foreigners, and has been purging his administration of competence and diplomatic expertise in foreign policy.
So, as the lefties have been pointing out for years now, the risk with Trump is accident or unforeseen mishap - some stupid mistake of his belligerence-based and military-backed foreign dealings that escalates and spreads to somebody who is cornered and can do real damage to the US.
If he ever does manage to start a war, touch off a nuclear exchange, motivate a serious and well-supported terrorist campaign against the US, etc, it will probably be by accident - which is also the only way it will end, unless the US can find some way to take the Republican Party out of government.
Schmelzer
Valued Senior Member
Who cares? I think you know which war was the last one started in a legitimate way by the US.
Yes.
The complete absence of competence of US diplomacy has been observed already years ago. It is a structural problem, they simply saw no necessity to care about dealing with foreigners, understanding their culture and so on. All they had to do was to deliver orders. Of course, there was no improvement under Trump, even further degeneration. But there was not much left to lose, except for competence in organizing color revolutions.
The most serious political mistake was made many years ago, essentially by Obama - to fight Russian and China at the same time, forcing them into a strategic alliance. And Iran was essentially forced into this alliance too. Trump was unable to correct this error, the anti-Russian hysteria prevented some peace with Russia, the Israel lobby cries for fighting Iran, and the relations with China have become worse too. So, you have them all three united.
It is the Israel lobby who cried for war with Iran, and this faction has a strong influence on Trump. They have tried to force Trump to start this war, he refused. But now they have succeeded to trick him into the war. Of course, it was his incompetence which allowed the deep state to do that trick. On the other hand, I disagree that this an accident. It is the result of hard work of this particular lobby.
The Saker argues that the US-Israel will probably use nuclear weapons because they are so extremely stupid. But it will not help them, simply because there are no reasonable targets where it would make sense from a military point of view. And simply by terrorizing civilian population by nuking big towns will not be sufficient. There are a lot of interesting points in this article. The summary of the actual options are:
I also like the following observation:
Schmelzer
Valued Senior Member
Total nonsense...
As far as I am aware there is no war between Iran USA and Israel.
You see you are relying on a BS blogger to feed your paranoia.
If this is any indication of the caliber of your sources it is little wonder you favor Trump as POTUS.
Google: Is USA at war with Iran and see if your buddy Saker comes up... lol
Also if I am not mistaken Hillary never said she would establish a no fly zone. She only said that it would be seriously considered....as no doubt it was...
It's all about the fear of actually having someone with a little nous at the helm. The very idea of an intelligent and experienced woman leading the USA was not on for Russia as they needed a low IQ person like Trump instead.
You should be happy now. Hillary would never have gotten the USA screwed up in this Iran BS in the first place.
Schmelzer
Valued Senior Member
There was none. Now, after the murder of Suleimani, there is. It is not yet officially declared, but this is nothing that matters. Your name-calling against the Saker describes only yourself.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/25/hillary-clinton-syria-no-fly-zones-russia-us-war writes:
Whatever. If she seriously considered a no-fly zone, it means, she seriously considered war with Russia.
Nonsense. First, Trump's abilities are quite questionable, but his problem is not a low IQ. Then, Russia has no problem at all with the personalities of other leaders. For example, Merkel is an intelligent and experienced woman leading Germany, and Putin has no problem with this at all. Do you believe such primitive nonsense yourself or is this only stupid propaganda?
As explained, the choice was also if the main enemy was Russia or Iran. War with Russia would have been much worse than war with Iran. Iran is strong enough and prepared enough to win this war, even if the US (as one should expect) would nuke them, simply because they have not enough soldiers to occupy it. All what they can do is to murder a lot of civilians, destroy towns, or (following the Taliban and the IS) destroy some cultural places. But the Iran can stop all the oil transport through the Strait of Hormuz and has enough power to kill a lot of US soldiers, planes, ships and bases. And enough morals not to give up even if the US murders millions. Moreover, they will get a lot of weapons from Russia by land (through Aserbaidshan, which is Shia) and water (Caspi). And the US will not have any means to stop this, beyond a full scale war with Russia.
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Schmelzer
Valued Senior Member
By the way, other people also think that what has happened is already the start of the war.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/...et-its-assassination-of-qassim-soleimani.html starts the article with "Today the U.S. declared war on Iran and Iraq."
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/...et-its-assassination-of-qassim-soleimani.html starts the article with "Today the U.S. declared war on Iran and Iraq."
- Today, no explanation of Trumps decision to kill (assassinate) this man has been forthcoming. An impulsive act possibly that he himself can not fathom.
- Today it becomes evident that there was no plan in place, no media strategy and no sound reasoning behind this crazy act.
- Today, the USA government have to protect them selves from further impulsive and il-advised actions of their own POTUS.
- Today , yet again Trump has sidelined Congress and believes he can act with impunity
Today Islamic cultural sites have been threatened by a leader who can only be described as deranged....
As I and others have mentioned, the impeachment of Trump is intolerable to Trumps mental state. Further impulsive and unplanned for outrages can be expected. Each most likely worse then the previous...
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There was never going to be a war with Russia, USA Russian economic co-dependency demands a certain level of competitive tension but not war.
Today Russia and the USA have too much in common. Mainly Money of course. Most wars are fought on ideological grounds eg. communism vs capitalism, and are essentially about freedom and not a lot to do about peace.
For example if China decides to expand it's borders to forcefully propagate it's Marxist ideology war would be inevitable.
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(chortle!)
From the vaults:
The incident of Vladimir Putin, Angela Merkel, and the dog is a famous one. It was 2007 and Merkel, Germany's Chancellor, was visiting Putin at his presidential residence in Sochi to discuss energy trade. Putin, surely aware of Merkel's well-known fear of dogs, waited until the press gathered in the room, then called for his black Labrador to be sent in. The Russian president watched in unconcealed glee as the dog sniffed at Merkel, who sat frozen in fear.
Later, in discussing the incident with a group of reporters, Merkel attempted an explanation of Putin's behavior. Her quote, reported in George Packer's December 2014 profile of Merkel in the New Yorker, is one of the most pithily succinct insights into Putin and the psychology of his 14-year reign that I have read:
(Fisher↱)
____________________Later, in discussing the incident with a group of reporters, Merkel attempted an explanation of Putin's behavior. Her quote, reported in George Packer's December 2014 profile of Merkel in the New Yorker, is one of the most pithily succinct insights into Putin and the psychology of his 14-year reign that I have read:
"I understand why he has to do this—to prove he's a man," Merkel said. "He's afraid of his own weakness. Russia has nothing, no successful politics or economy. All they have is this."
(Fisher↱)
Notes:
Fisher, Max. "This quote about Putin's machismo from Angela Merkel is just devastating". Vox. 1 December 2014. Vox.com. http://bit.ly/2mHvnzn
uhm... so btw ....uhm ... what happened to the much advertised China USA trade deal?
No one mentions the US embassy?
Breaking news:
Iranian missile attack on USA base in Iraq.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01...aq-after-qassem-soleimani-death-live/11851492
Iranian missile attack on USA base in Iraq.
US officials have confirmed rockets have been fired at the Al-Asad airbase in Iraq, which hosts US forces.
Iranian state TV said Tehran had launched "tens" of rockets at the base.
It comes after US President Donald Trump ordered the killing top Iranian military general Qassem Soleimani.
Iranian state TV said Tehran had launched "tens" of rockets at the base.
It comes after US President Donald Trump ordered the killing top Iranian military general Qassem Soleimani.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01...aq-after-qassem-soleimani-death-live/11851492