Particles are particles and waves are waves.
In a double slit experiment it is the aether which waves.
The double solution theory, a new interpretation of Wave Mechanics
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Particles are particles and waves are waves.
In a double slit experiment it is the aether which waves.
Ok, well I guess if you say so, then it most definitely has to be true. Glad that's all sorted, then.
*Sigh* if you were able to understand that then you wouldn't have to believe in absurd nonsense about a C60 molecule traveling every possible path simultaneously.
Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate, describes space as a piece of window glass, "Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness."
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a supersolid. Particles move through it and displace it. In a double slit experiment it is what waves.
What paper?
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http://www.akademietraunkirchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Healey_Two-Bohr-quotes.pdf
Quantum theory is the deepest part of our knowledge of nature and the biggest mystery.... I think
it's gradually teaching us to ask the right questions.... The only point is, will so many points of
view develop that we have a disarray because it's hard to nail it down? ... You get all kinds of
people writing all kinds of papers with all kinds of philosophical views and backgrounds. But if
you have some really sound people talking about it, I think you'll get really sound advances....
My feeling is that in this show, the territory we've got to get into is so broad that the only thing to
do is to plunge into it and start making tracks, no matter if the track is leading into a swamp.
You'll find out.”
Quote from Wheeler, J.A.
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http://www.akademietraunkirchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Healey_Two-Bohr-quotes.pdf
Quantum theory is the deepest part of our knowledge of nature and the biggest mystery.... I think
it's gradually teaching us to ask the right questions.... The only point is, will so many points of
view develop that we have a disarray because it's hard to nail it down? ... You get all kinds of
people writing all kinds of papers with all kinds of philosophical views and backgrounds. But if
you have some really sound people talking about it, I think you'll get really sound advances....
My feeling is that in this show, the territory we've got to get into is so broad that the only thing to
do is to plunge into it and start making tracks, no matter if the track is leading into a swamp.
You'll find out.”
Quote from Wheeler, J.A.
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"Why can’t we track the particle position without destroying its wave nature?"
You can with weak measurement.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-double-slit-experiment-skirts-uncertainty-principle/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13626587
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article...rld-reveals-its-top-10-breakthroughs-for-2011
In a double slit experiment with a C60 molecule the C60 molecule travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through all of the slits.
I don't think anyone is to expect it is a matter of a fluke, but rather something akin to a programming.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
Remarkably, however, an interference pattern emerges when these particles are allowed to build up one by one (see the image to the right). For example, when a laboratory apparatus was developed that could reliably fire one electron at a time through the double slit,[21] the emergence of an interference pattern suggested that each electron was interfering with itself, and therefore in some sense the electron had to be going through both slits at once[22]—an idea that contradicts our everyday experience of discrete objects. This phenomenon has also been shown to occur with atoms and even some molecules, including buckyballs.[23][24][25][26] So experiments with electrons add confirmatory evidence to the view of Dirac that electrons, protons, neutrons, and even larger entities that are ordinarily called particles nevertheless have their own wave nature and even their own specific frequencies.
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Quantum weirdness....We don't know what's going on
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
Remarkably, however, an interference pattern emerges when these particles are allowed to build up one by one (see the image to the right). For example, when a laboratory apparatus was developed that could reliably fire one electron at a time through the double slit,[21] the emergence of an interference pattern suggested that each electron was interfering with itself, and therefore in some sense the electron had to be going through both slits at once[22]—an idea that contradicts our everyday experience of discrete objects. This phenomenon has also been shown to occur with atoms and even some molecules, including buckyballs.[23][24][25][26] So experiments with electrons add confirmatory evidence to the view of Dirac that electrons, protons, neutrons, and even larger entities that are ordinarily called particles nevertheless have their own wave nature and even their own specific frequencies.
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Quantum weirdness....We don't know what's going on
Lol, that is a rather slanted appraisal of the situation. Do you really think you are contributing or are you just annoyed with this whole discussion? Hidden Variables interpretations of QM simply are based on the idea that the equations and tools of QM are incomplete. The existence of a hidden reality below the level of our ability to observe and test would not change what we do observe, and would not falsify QM, it would extend it to the as yet undetectable foundation where there is continuous wave action and where that wave action establishes the continued presence of particles that have both location and momentum before and after we observe them.
Weak measurement measures two things sequentially and one of them is only a "rough estimate". Almost like an educated guess!
Add to that the mechanism has the photon(s) traveling through one of two fiber optic cables. So for your interpretation to be correct.., your ether would have to travel through the fiber optic cables also. That is not something that fills up empty space and - "waves".
The problem with the hidden variables approach is that quantum nonlocality was experimentally proven in the early 1980's, which means there are verified experimental results which demonstrate that some sort of faster than light signalling occurs between entangled particles. If faster than light signalling occurs, the only way it can be achieved without violating Relativistic causality is if nature selects particle correlations at random, using a probability distribution you can calculate via QM. Again, you should have a look at the article I linked to on Bell's inequalities for more info.
There is a lot to like about the following video. At 1:24 it says "At any instant, the wavefield is complex, the result of a superposition of waves created by the droplet's previous bounces". Superposition of the waves, not the particle itself. At 2:10 it defines the "Exposed Variable Theory". de Broglie's pilot wave is not part of a hidden variable theory, it is part of an exposed variable theory.
'The pilot-wave dynamics of walking droplets'
[video=youtube;nmC0ygr08tE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmC0ygr08tE[/video]
I don't know why he/she even bothers trying to use these articles as supporting evidence. The physicsworld.com article specifically says:
The experiment reveals, for example, that a photon detected on the right-hand side of the diffraction pattern is more likely to have emerged from the optical fibre on the right than from the optical fibre on the left. While this knowledge is not forbidden by quantum mechanics, Steinberg says that physicists have been taught that "asking where a photon is before it is detected is somehow immoral".
cav755 is saying that Steinberg's experiment demonstrates that photons have absolute, well-defined, measurable positions and trajectories, whereas the article itself only speaks of probabilistic likelihoods.
"Travel through" isn't quite correct when describing a particle moving through and displacing the aether.
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a supersolid. Particles of matter move through and displace it. The aether does not "travel through" the slits in a double slit experiment like the particle does. The moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave which passes through both slits. Watch the following video to see the interaction of a particle and its associated pilot wave.
'The pilot-wave dynamics of walking droplets'
[video=youtube;nmC0ygr08tE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmC0ygr08tE[/video]
The though experiments that defined the hidden variables interpretations used by Bell to show that none of them worked had to fulfill one requirement. That was that they were based on the equations and tools of QM. They could not take the position that those equations and tools we not complete in and of themselves. Bell himself said that he didn't consider his results as a definitive proof that there were no hidden variables, or that QM was in fact complete. It just proved that any thought experiment that defined hidden variables that were based on the existing tools were falsified, while the current posture of any hidden variables interpretation that says that QM is incomplete were not falsified.
From the article, "Little by little, people are asking forbidden questions," says Steinberg, who adds that his team's experiment will "push [physicists] to change how they think about things".
If you listen to the audio Streinberg uses terms like "common sense" and "brainwashing".
You are not one of those who is willing to ask forbidden questions. Your "brainwashing" appears to have you unable to use your "common sense" to understand particles are particles and waves are waves.