I'm putting this here on purpose so that it doesn't become a religious debate. If tiassa feels it would be better in human science fair enough (as long as it doesn't end up in religion)
I have unfortunately destroyed a debate on sexual relationships because i got side tracked into discussing this.
So firstly i would like to apologise to original for getting his thread so off topic
Now this is to discuss the oppression of women especially through the cultural changes brought about through Emperor Constantine's usurping of the Christan church to satisfy his political power.
In an effort to make sure HE and the church he controlled was the only way to worship he demonised the female and her "ability to bring the male to god" through orgasm. This was his goal and we are still paying for it through laws regarding sex and nudity. Now the main person i have been debating (bells) has constantly pointed out that putting nudity and sex together makes it seem that I cant separate them through a modern view point and i guess she has a point. However they aren't completely separate, because the best way to make worship through the female something evil is to make the female body especially but all parts of the body (male and female) something dirty, wrong and shameful.
Who as a young adult didn't feel some how embarrassed by there own development? why is this? its a natural transition and a natural act
Animals don't view sex as somehow dirty or shameful so why do we?
Why are we embarrassed by our own bodies? our ancestors wernt, there are MANY examples of statues with huge penises, penis graffiti by the Romans etc so where did the penis become something shameful?
It all goes back to the fact that Constantine wanted ALL the power in his own hands. Religion has huge power and if anyone could commune with the divine by having sex with any women (especially priestesses) then he wouldn't have access to that power.
This isn't just an opinion of my own but if people watch "the facts behind the De Vinni code" movie and look at the books those authors have produced it is clear that this isn't how society is naturally
Even the word "prostitute" has been demonised because it originally meant "priestess"
What about the image of the devil?
if you look at the image it bares a remarkable resemblance to the Greek male god of fertility (and wine i THINK). This is the origin of the term "horny",
So some of this tradition has been preserved in spite of his actions
Then there are witches in the original sense. They were originally "evil women who seduced unwilling men into having sex with them to produce demon offspring. Why? why would sex with a women produce a demon?
What about the current church views on contraception? why would condoms and sex be seen as a sin? in both cases the answer is because it allows the original worship of the goddess.
I have unfortunately destroyed a debate on sexual relationships because i got side tracked into discussing this.
So firstly i would like to apologise to original for getting his thread so off topic
Now this is to discuss the oppression of women especially through the cultural changes brought about through Emperor Constantine's usurping of the Christan church to satisfy his political power.
In an effort to make sure HE and the church he controlled was the only way to worship he demonised the female and her "ability to bring the male to god" through orgasm. This was his goal and we are still paying for it through laws regarding sex and nudity. Now the main person i have been debating (bells) has constantly pointed out that putting nudity and sex together makes it seem that I cant separate them through a modern view point and i guess she has a point. However they aren't completely separate, because the best way to make worship through the female something evil is to make the female body especially but all parts of the body (male and female) something dirty, wrong and shameful.
Who as a young adult didn't feel some how embarrassed by there own development? why is this? its a natural transition and a natural act
Animals don't view sex as somehow dirty or shameful so why do we?
Why are we embarrassed by our own bodies? our ancestors wernt, there are MANY examples of statues with huge penises, penis graffiti by the Romans etc so where did the penis become something shameful?
It all goes back to the fact that Constantine wanted ALL the power in his own hands. Religion has huge power and if anyone could commune with the divine by having sex with any women (especially priestesses) then he wouldn't have access to that power.
This isn't just an opinion of my own but if people watch "the facts behind the De Vinni code" movie and look at the books those authors have produced it is clear that this isn't how society is naturally
Even the word "prostitute" has been demonised because it originally meant "priestess"
What about the image of the devil?
if you look at the image it bares a remarkable resemblance to the Greek male god of fertility (and wine i THINK). This is the origin of the term "horny",
So some of this tradition has been preserved in spite of his actions
Then there are witches in the original sense. They were originally "evil women who seduced unwilling men into having sex with them to produce demon offspring. Why? why would sex with a women produce a demon?
What about the current church views on contraception? why would condoms and sex be seen as a sin? in both cases the answer is because it allows the original worship of the goddess.