Vitalists and biogenic petroleum geologists define life as anything containing a carbon atom, thus the term "organic" chemistry.
The original definition of "organic" chemistry came from the misconception that organic compounds were always related to life processes.
My pencil lead is alive? And the diamond grit on the emery paper I got from the hardware store?Oily said:Vitalists and biogenic petroleum geologists define life as anything containing a carbon atom, thus the term "organic" chemistry.
What is life? What defines something as live or not live?
In 1964, James Lovelock was among a group of scientists who were requested by NASA to make a theoretical life detection system to look for life on Mars during the upcoming space mission. When thinking about this problem, Lovelock wondered “how can we be sure that Martian life, if any, will reveal itself to tests based on Earth’s lifestyle?” [6] To Lovelock, the basic question was “What is life, and how should it be recognized?” When speaking about this puzzling issue with some of his colleagues at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he was asked, well what would you do to look for life on Mars? To this Lovelock replied:
“I’d look for an entropy reduction, since this must be a general characteristic of life.”
Thus, according to Lovelock, to find signs of life, one must look for a “reduction or a reversal of entropy.”
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Moronic indeed...LOL.My pencil lead is alive? And the diamond grit on the emery paper I got from the hardware store?
Thus the term: "moronic chemistry"?
the structurally related diamondoids in oil show high levels of isotopic fractionation in the range of -20 to -30 per mil, the same as most true biomarkers, indicating diamondoid derivation from enzymatic ally-created lipids
Shhh S.A.M. don't tell anyone, they might blow a wingnut.
Don't you mean: "here's a moron who thinks there's a moron who claims molecular diamonds are alive"...?Here is a moron who claims molecular diamonds are alive
Molecular diamonds have never been alive and never will be alive. Yet Mello claims they are derived from "enzymatic lipids" LOL. Read it and weep...:bawl:
Granted I was saying alive as hyperbole when really I meant biological.There is a difference between something being of biological origin and something being alive. For instance saliva is of biological origin but it is not alive.
Granted I was saying alive as hyperbole when really I meant biological.
I'll bet you anything we could synthesize saliva in a lab using abiotic chemical components.
The same was done by Wohler with urine in 1828 using inorganic ammonium cyanate NH4OCN, in what is now called the Wohler synthesis.
Synthetic organic chemists have synthesized saliva in a lab just as Wohler synthestized urine.Fact remains that your saliva is a biological product, meaning it is produced by a living organism (namely you).
I say no to all. Chemical elements are abiotic.So. is urine alive, or is saliva alive, or not?
How about diamondoids from a biogenic source?
What does "abiotic" mean? Never heard that one before, did you just make it up?OIM said:Chemical elements are abiotic.