The actual question - "Why don't you kill yourself?"

I am sure. It saves you having to explain this absurdity:


Suicide is an act that you and Myles say is one that your genes prevent you from performing.

My speaking is also an act, but you consider this free somehow?

Do tell.

I don't know to what level. But I do know that every process in your body is eventually controlled by your genes.
 
You fail to see the point. I never said genes directly control behavior.
Oddly enough you think my genes control what I know. You think your genes prevent you from committing suicide.

Yet, you, a determinist, think that I am free to stop talking or not.

How odd.
 
Oddly enough you think my genes control what I know. You think your genes prevent you from committing suicide.

Yet, you, a determinist, think that I am free to stop talking or not.

How odd.

I don't say your genes control what you know.

I don't know if you are free to stop talking or not. But probably the tendency to continue speaking is genetically based.
 
I don't know to what level. But I do know that every process in your body is eventually controlled by your genes.

OK. Thank you. Well, just so you know

my speaking is a process in my body. It is a physical process.

Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to argue with someone who does not understand the implications of their own philosophy? You are defending something you understand less well than me.

Now I am done bickering. I'll take what I quoted above as an admission even if you can't see it.
 
lol I do understand the implications but I am not all-knowing.
I think what mostly bothers you is that it doesn't bother me.
 
Man, what you guys can only intellectualize your answers and refer to theories.
Genes.
Self preservation instincts.
Is this how you experience yourselves?
Are you afraid your molecular biology professor is tracking all your communications?
As if genes were something other than you or another way of describing you.


How about desires to experience certain things?
love of certain individuals?
not wanting to hurt certain people?
not wanting to rule out this or that might happen or get better?
curiosity?
lust for knowledge?
Lust in general?


I swear to god the way people think they know themselves is such a joke. We'll all be walking around talking about ourselves in the 3rd person.

The genes would like a sandwich now.
My genes believe in determinism.
My sexual instincts seem to be focusing on you now, shall we go up to my apartment and mingle gametes?

Seriously, this makes me sick.

Self-abstraction is the opiate of the people.

I didn't say any of those things, because those aren't what is keeping me around. At 42, I can safely say that I wouldn't have missed much if I had offed myself as a teenager. A few people would miss me, but not many.

I don't enjoy life very much, but after contemplating it many times, I long ago realized I wouldn't ever actually do it (commit suicide). And I ultimately ascribe that to the fear that comes from trying to overcome your instinct for self preservation.

Why do you think orgasms are so enjoyable? To me, the pleasure is an obvious reward for doing an activity that usually (eventually at least) leads to reproduction. Successful behavior is rewarded, the unsuccessful leads to the exit sign.

You probably won't see the humor in this. But I do.

Doctors Find New Way To Prolong Meaningless Existence

ITHACA, NY–In a stunning medical breakthrough, a team of Cornell University biogeneticists announced Tuesday that it has developed a revolutionary new synthetic hormone that retards the human aging process, enabling individuals to extend the churning, meaningless void known as life by upwards of 20 years.

"This remarkable new hormone will enable millions of people to live longer, healthier lives," said Dr. Marlene Peretz-Worthington, head of the Cornell team. "Once the substance wins FDA approval and is made available to the general public, the hellish emptiness of our spiritually blank lives should be that much more inescapable."

According to Peretz-Worthington, between 1990 and 1998, 250 test subjects between the ages of 68 and 81 were injected bi-weekly with Noexitoxythalynucleothylinase, an experimental DNA-modifying hormone that "freezes" the genetic codes that regulate aging. In all 250 subjects, the drug slowed down the aging process by at least 30 percent, adding years to their futile, purposeless existences.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28913
 
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Because my genes react that way. I can't help myself. How can you question me and my reactions. It is just my genes reacting?

but you don't believe in that viewpoint...

the psychology of a human at near death experiences activates hormones of greater sensor capabilities, faster reactions and such...this allows more blood flow and thus a person who is trying to kill themselves actually gets the body playing to them all the memories of good and how pitiful the life would be if they did do the suicide.

what hormones are those exactly? are you talking about fight or flight chemicals?
 
OK. Thank you. Well, just so you know

my speaking is a process in my body. It is a physical process.

Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to argue with someone who does not understand the implications of their own philosophy? You are defending something you understand less well than me.

Now I am done bickering. I'll take what I quoted above as an admission even if you can't see it.

And physical process are mediated by what, exactly ?
 
Oddly enough you think my genes control what I know. You think your genes prevent you from committing suicide.

Yet, you, a determinist, think that I am free to stop talking or not.

How odd.

Your genes determine how you react to your environment. Is that so difficult to understand ?
 
You mean like this here above. So you analyzed me, but could only come up with your genes control you in relation to yourself. In your world, it is enough to say

sowhatifit'sdark your genes made you answer that way. Right. My answer was caused by my genes. Why get in a dander and 'correct' me and my faulty genes and their pseudophilosophical answers, if you really believe your own 'philosophy'? Why bother with all this fluff now? Because you're pissed off? So you get a little irritated at my genes and suddenly you are able to write about human beings. Perhaps if you could find some emotion about life itself, something that makes you come here and spread the word and clean the unwashed masses, you could come up with a more interesting answer than that your genes keep you from killing yourself.

To say your genes made you do it - apart from the ludicrousness of the sentence (I mean who is the you that is not your genes) - is just trite.

His question: genes are everything.
My post: suddenly Myles wants to get down and talk like a person.


That's it for you, I guess. If you think some wisdom is gained from answering my genes prevent me from committing suicide, we have different ideas of wisdom.

How can one avoid talking like a person if one is a person. You'll be telling me next that cows choose to moo. You just don't het it. No doubt you have a special definition of a person.
 
sowhatifit'sdark.

If things said on here make you sick , may I suggest a solution ? Put down Camus and pick up Sartre's La Nausee. That should do the trick. You keep making one fatal mistake. You assume because we talk of genes in the way we do, that we are peasants who have not read Sartre, Camus and that we know nothing of Existentialism. The thought that we may have left such vacuous speculation behind us does not occur to you.
 
Myles, I feel I have to tell you that Sowhat has you on ignore.

Well, that's a surefire way of not losing an argument. I remember a kid who ran home whining with hs ball because we didn't let him score a goal.
 
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