The actual question - "Why don't you kill yourself?"

[sowhatifit'sdark]

The effects of nurture are there because our genetic make up allows for it.

But your answer was incomplete. Put the same genetic make up in radically worse nurtures and some will commit suicide. That's your worldview. So just speaking about genes IN YOUR WORLDVIEW is a half (assed) answer.

 

[sowhatifit'sdark]

It's not self abstraction. It's just that people know more nowadays about where their basic instincts and feelings originate. Why does this make you sick?

Because my genes react that way. I can't help myself. How can you question me and my reactions. It is just my genes reacting?

 

[sowhatifit'sdark]

No, he is the product of his genes reacting.

Why have you become so cynical ?

It's my genes. Just like Myle's genes prevent him from killing himself, my genes react negatively to people who refer to themselves like they were machines and in, bascially, the third person.

It's my genes, Enmos. Cynical? What's that. You know it is only my genes reacting. I am completely determined. I have to do what I do. You know this. Why do you label it with some humanistic word and speak to me like I am free?

 

[clusteringflux]

the psychology of a human at near death experiences activates hormones of greater sensor capabilities, faster reactions and such...this allows more blood flow and thus a person who is trying to kill themselves actually gets the body playing to them all the memories of good and how pitiful the life would be if they did do the suicide.

Either you never had suicide tendencies or you dont remember it.

I would say this is not entirely biological. Small children of all faiths talk about 360 degree vision and veiwing their bodies from a different part of the room when brought near death in hospitals and the like. This along with many other symtoms reported by adults like the "review" often refered to as "your life flashing before your eyes". Many say it's as if you feel every experience you've had at once along with the feelings of everyone you were incontact with. It's been descibed as feeling like being burned alive,also.

 

[Enmos]

but you did say "Not if you are demented..."

but this I would assume you meant that one who realizes themselves more during suicide are seen as demented. This is wrong because such person is not demented.

That was based on Shorty's post:

LOL..........thats what I want somebody to do when I find myself drooling and wearing diapers. Or just smother me with a pillow.

 

[draqon]

This along with many other symtoms reported by adults like the "review" often refered to as "your life flashing before your eyes".

I had my life flashing before my eyes, is more like it.

 

[Enmos]

It's my genes. Just like Myle's genes prevent him from killing himself, my genes react negatively to people who refer to themselves like they were machines and in, bascially, the third person.

It's my genes, Enmos. Cynical? What's that. You know it is only my genes reacting. I am completely determined. I have to do what I do. You know this. Why do you label it with some humanistic word and speak to me like I am free?

It is determined that you feel like you do now, but there is nothing stopping you from shutting up.

Sorry.

 

[shorty_37]

I had my life flashing before my eyes, is more like it.

So did I last yr, when I almost got zapped with a lightning bolt. (I am being serious now)

 

[sowhatifit'sdark]

It is determined that you feel like you do know, but there is nothing stopping you from shutting up.

Sorry.

What? Do you understand determinism so little? My genes are stopping me from shutting up, just as your genes get irritated when I point this out.

 

[Enmos]

No, I'm sorry. My genes are making me behave badly. And your genes are letting it bother you.

I love how this simplifies all discourse.

I accept that you disagree with me, why can't you accept me disagreeing with you ?

 

[Enmos]

What? Do you understand determinism so little? My genes are stopping me from shutting up, just as your genes get irritated when I point this out.

You are defining determinism as you see fit.

 

[sowhatifit'sdark]

You are defining determinism as you see fit.

Let me see if I get this right then. My genes prevent me from committing suicide. My genes control my actions. But they do not control my urge to continue speaking. Is my urge to continue speaking free of genetic causation? And if it is this seems to open doors to other kinds of freedom.

 

[sowhatifit'sdark]

I accept that you disagree with me, why can't you accept me disagreeing with you ?

My genes. (and by the way, it seems to me you are responding to me as much as I am responding to you. Why do think it is simply I who cannot accept? Can't you accept that I disagree?)

 

[Crunchy Cat]

I am 'programmed' to survive.
Eh.. what Myles said..

ditto

 

[draqon]

Its because Crunchy Cat is here that I want to be alive, Crunchy Cat's presence does not allow me to commit suicide

 

[clusteringflux]

I had my life flashing before my eyes, is more like it.

I guess I'm refering to an out of body experience in which ,in suicide terms ,you've already pulled the trigger and are going to die without some intervention.

 

[draqon]

I guess I'm refering to an out of body experience in which ,in suicide terms ,you've already pulled the trigger and are going to die without some intervention.

oh well...even a pulled trigger can still leave you alive.

 

[Enmos]

My genes. (and by the way, it seems to me you are responding to me as much as I am responding to you. Why do think it is simply I who cannot accept? Can't you accept that I disagree?)

You are taking another attitude though, it shows you cannot accept it.

Anyway, I'm done bickering with you..

 

[Enmos]

Let me see if I get this right then. My genes prevent me from committing suicide. My genes control my actions. But they do not control my urge to continue speaking. Is my urge to continue speaking free of genetic causation? And if it is this seems to open doors to other kinds of freedom.

You fail to see the point. I never said genes directly control behavior.

 

[sowhatifit'sdark]

You are taking another attitude though, it shows you cannot accept it.

Anyway, I'm done bickering with you..

I am sure. It saves you having to explain this absurdity:

It is determined that you feel like you do now, but there is nothing stopping you from shutting up.

Suicide is an act that you and Myles say is one that your genes prevent you from performing.

My speaking is also an act, but you consider this free somehow?

Do tell.