The actual question - "Why don't you kill yourself?"

shorty_37 said:
LOL..........thats what I want somebody to do when I find myself drooling and wearing diapers. Or just smother me with a pillow. :p
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Chances are you won't 'find yourself' like that.. you'll be too far gone by then to notice.. lol
 
Enmos said:
Chances are you won't 'find yourself' like that.. you'll be too far gone by then to notice.. lol
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actually at near death experiences I had and near suicidal tendencies of mine I had, I noticed that finding yourself is much more acute of an experience during those times.
 
Myles said:
As I have come to know you on here, you are never satisfied with a straight answer. You would much sooner sit around with Camus discussing abstract notions, in an attempt to dress the obvious in pseudo-philosophical clothing.
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You mean like this here above. So you analyzed me, but could only come up with your genes control you in relation to yourself. In your world, it is enough to say

sowhatifit'sdark your genes made you answer that way. Right. My answer was caused by my genes. Why get in a dander and 'correct' me and my faulty genes and their pseudophilosophical answers, if you really believe your own 'philosophy'? Why bother with all this fluff now? Because you're pissed off? So you get a little irritated at my genes and suddenly you are able to write about human beings. Perhaps if you could find some emotion about life itself, something that makes you come here and spread the word and clean the unwashed masses, you could come up with a more interesting answer than that your genes keep you from killing yourself.

To say your genes made you do it - apart from the ludicrousness of the sentence (I mean who is the you that is not your genes) - is just trite.

His question: genes are everything.
My post: suddenly Myles wants to get down and talk like a person.

We are survival mechanisms, as are other animals. or we would be unlikely to be here talking about it. If I were to commit suicide today as opposed to yesterday, what has changed ? I would say my mood, outlook or whatever resulting from a change in my brain chemistry, A typical coroner's verdict is " suicide when the balance of his mind was disturbed" This confirms that suicide is not regard as rational behaviour; a failure of the normal genetic drive to survive. Has anyone ever said that each time genes replicate they always produce perfect copies?; rather its the reverse

That's it
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That's it for you, I guess. If you think some wisdom is gained from answering my genes prevent me from committing suicide, we have different ideas of wisdom.
 
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Enmos said:
No offense but it's what you are.. how come it makes you sick ?
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Hello. I did not say it makes me sick that I am genes. It makes me sick that you and others think you are saying anything of value to say your genes prevent your suicides. Apart from the fact that nurture has an effect on our attitudes, your answer is meaningless. I could see it in a discussion of suicidal behavior in a biology or psychiatry forum. But here?

But if you get some comfort out of having a detached view of yourself, that's fine. Go ahead.
 
Enmos said:
Where do you get the idea that genes do not determine everything ?
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From his genes, right?
I mean why talk to him about it. He is simply genes reacting, right?
OH, yeah, you can't help yourself. Your genes make you respond even though there is no point.
I hope your genes compel you to do good things.
 
sowhatifit'sdark said:
Hello. I did not say it makes me sick that I am genes. It makes me sick that you and others think you are saying anything of value to say your genes prevent your suicides. Apart from the fact that nurture has an effect on our attitudes, your answer is meaningless. I could see it in a discussion of suicidal behavior in a biology or psychiatry forum. But here?

But if you get some comfort out of having a detached view of yourself, that's fine. Go ahead.
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The effects of nurture are there because our genetic make up allows for it.
 
Enmos said:
Not if you're demented..
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the psychology of a human at near death experiences activates hormones of greater sensor capabilities, faster reactions and such...this allows more blood flow and thus a person who is trying to kill themselves actually gets the body playing to them all the memories of good and how pitiful the life would be if they did do the suicide.

Either you never had suicide tendencies or you dont remember it.
 
sowhatifit'sdark said:
Man, what you guys can only intellectualize your answers and refer to theories.
Genes.
Self preservation instincts.
Is this how you experience yourselves?
Are you afraid your molecular biology professor is tracking all your communications?
As if genes were something other than you or another way of describing you.


How about desires to experience certain things?
love of certain individuals?
not wanting to hurt certain people?
not wanting to rule out this or that might happen or get better?
curiosity?
lust for knowledge?
Lust in general?


I swear to god the way people think they know themselves is such a joke. We'll all be walking around talking about ourselves in the 3rd person.

The genes would like a sandwich now.
My genes believe in determinism.
My sexual instincts seem to be focusing on you now, shall we go up to my apartment and mingle gametes?

Seriously, this makes me sick.

Self-abstraction is the opiate of the people.
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It's not self abstraction. It's just that people know more nowadays about where their basic instincts and feelings originate. Why does this make you sick?
 
sowhatifit'sdark said:
From his genes, right?
I mean why talk to him about it. He is simply genes reacting, right?
OH, yeah, you can't help yourself. Your genes make you respond even though there is no point.
I hope your genes compel you to do good things.
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No, he is the product of his genes reacting.

Why have you become so cynical ?
 
draqon said:
the psychology of a human at near death experiences activates hormones of greater sensor capabilities, faster reactions and such...this allows more blood flow and thus a person who is trying to kill themselves actually gets the body playing to them all the memories of good and how pitiful the life would be if they did do the suicide.

Either you never had suicide tendencies or you dont remember it.
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I never had them :)
Besides, Shorty wasn't talking about suicide. She was talking about that she wanted others to end her if she becomes demented.
 
Enmos said:
I didn't.. :confused:
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but you did say "Not if you are demented..."

but this I would assume you meant that one who realizes themselves more during suicide are seen as demented. This is wrong because such person is not demented.
 
lucifers angel said:
most people are to affraid to kill themselves!!

personaly IMO weak people commit suicide, people who can't face dealing with things in a proper manner!
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This pisses me off.

It might not be PC to say so, but we are not all as strong as each other. Sure, some people face things positively, with anger and determination, but others simply don't have it in them. And some people have just been through so much shit, it wears them down. You don't have the right to judge them.

LOL..........thats what I want somebody to do when I find myself drooling and wearing diapers. Or just smother me with a pillow.
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Same here..only I'm not sure I want to live that long...

a violent death while I'm young and high on adrenaline seems a much more appealing idea..
 
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