Texas/Arizona Minutemen?

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Baron Max

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Hey, here's another topic y'all ain't discussed or mentioned ....the New Texas and Arizona Minutemen ....border patrol vigilanties!

I think it's about time that we, the people, took matters into our own hands if the government can't do it. The Minutemen can patrol the border of Mexico and keep the illegal immigrant infiltration to a bare minimum, if any get through at all.

Sure, it's vigilantyism, but that's NOT a bad word, ya' know.

Perhaps some of our major cities will take note and use the same tactics to fight the ever-increasing crime in their OWN cities! The cops can't do it ....mainly because the whining, liberal, doo-gooders are helping the criminals more than the innocent civilians!

Baron Max
 
Geez, I almost can't believe that you liberals don't have anything to say about this topic??? That confuses me some ....does it mean that you think it's a good idea, but you just don't want to say anything?

Baron Max
 
Yea, right on B Max!

Kill any and all dirty mexicans trying to cross over an imaginary line to make a better life for themselves!





or get real...
 
top mosker said:
Yea, right on B Max! Kill any and all dirty mexicans trying to cross over an imaginary line to make a better life for themselves!
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It's not about killing them, for god's sake! So it's ignorance that keeps people from responding to this topic ....thinking that vigilanties are blood-thirsty, vicious mobs like in the old western movies?? ....LOL! No wonder no one is responding! ...LOL!

Baron Max
 
No one is responding because they do not have an irrational and disproportionate fear of mexican hordes streaming across the border and stealing their jobs. If people were to respond, it would be to express their disgust that the name "minutemen" was commandeered by a bunch of overweight, untrained middle-aged old men who sit around in deck chairs in the desert.

This makes me laugh, for some reason:

During one patrol near the Bible College, freelance videographers and Minutemen volunteers Diane and Lawrence Headrick discovered a migrant sleeping in a tunnel beneath a highway.

Diane, an adhesive bandage on her chin, recounted the panic the event inspired: "I was just looking around and saw the illegal laying down over there," she said, pointing toward the tunnel. "I couldn’t believe it, and turned around to run as fast as I could, but fell down and hit my face on the ground."
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http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=1692
 
Voodoo Child said:
No one is responding because they do not have an irrational and disproportionate fear of mexican hordes streaming across the border and stealing their jobs.
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It's not irrational and disporportionate .....illegal entry into the US is a staggering problem. And it's not just the fear of losing jobs! For one thing, it's ILLEGAL .....or are you suggesting that we permit criminal activity?

Well, it's illegal to "stream across the border", but the Border Patrol can't stop it - and they admit it. So the Minutemen are volunteering to help patrol the border and help stop the criminal activity. What's wrong with that?

Or are you saying the we should permit anyone to come into the US without legal papers? ...just anyone?

Baron Max
 
Baron Max said:
Perhaps some of our major cities will take note and use the same tactics to fight the ever-increasing crime in their OWN cities! The cops can't do it ....mainly because the whining, liberal, doo-gooders are helping the criminals more than the innocent civilians!
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I honestly don't know what you're talking about here. Liberals haven’t exactly been in a good position to have any effect on this situation in a good number of years, and again I'd add that if you are indeed 60 years old as you have claimed previously, that crime levels - especially violent crimes - have dropped dramatically and consistently within your life time. In other words, this whole obsession with vigilante justice would have been much better suited to your world when you were in your prime and could actually bother doing anything about it, as opposed to today as a senile old man living in a rather safe country.

Furthermore I'd point out that the boarder insecurity is due in large part to the efforts of Republicans. Neither party has done much to stop it, it's true, but Republicans are the ones currently in power, and they give every indication of being quite in favor of allowing illegal immigration to continue, even going so far as to propose amnesty programs - it is, after all part of free market economics. Don't tell me that you're trying to bad mouth market forces, Max! That's heresy! You're starting to sound like a damned liberal protectionist!
 
Baron Max said:
Hey, here's another topic y'all ain't discussed or mentioned
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We, Max, not "y'all", we!!!!!! We havn't discussed.


As for the 'minutemen', the problem I have with it is that these guys are often very racist, and very armed, not a good combo. If all they were doing was send the immigrants back to Mexico, and not to that stairway in the sky, I might reconsider it.
 
jlocke said:
As for the 'minutemen', the problem I have with it is that these guys are often very racist, and very armed, not a good combo. If all they were doing was send the immigrants back to Mexico, and not to that stairway in the sky, I might reconsider it.
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They must follow the law like any other citizen of the USA ...no more, no less. A murder would be investigated as a murder. I'd suggest that you read up on the group's intentions before passing too hasty a judgement.

Their mission is NOT to kill anyone or to send them back, it's to apprehend them and call for the Border Patrol. As I understand it, and agree, being armed is for SELF-defense only ....many of the "coyotes" are well armed. ("Coyote" is the nickname for the smugglers of humans!)

By the way, would you say the same thing about "Neighborhood Watch Programs" or "Block Patrol Parties" as used in many American cities/towns? They're vigilaties, too! The word is NOT a bad word, nor does it mean mobs out to hang people.

Y'all is a proper word and is listed prominently in the Dictionary.

Baron Max
 
Baron Max said:
Y'all is a proper word and is listed prominently in the Dictionary.
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Haha, no you missed my point. My point was that you should have said WE because it is we. Y'all would imply that you were pointing out to some other entity that they had not covered a topic, but you are part of that entity, whether your pessimistic self likes it or not! :rolleyes:
 
BM,

Regardless if they are hunting the immigrants down, or simply asking them to leave at the barrel of a gun, or maybe just calling up the ol' border patrol - the laws are wrong in this case. It is an imaginary line and on one side of it, people are better off than the other. Those less well off are going to come across that imaginary line whether or not these vigilante groups are around are not. Take down the border, have a real free market in which there is no artificial controls of where humans migrate, and you have a solution. Building a wall or lining up along the border with walkie talkies (don't these people have day jobs?) to stop people from seeking a better life will never work.

crap, the libertarian in me came out...
 
There needs to be some incentive scheme put into place for them to stay in Mexico rather than wanting to come to the US. Some seem to think that throwing 'em in prison, or shooting' at 'em is the best incentive - but then the fact that they could die out in the desert doesn't seem to stop 'em in the first place. My feeling is that if we want so desperately to keep them from coming into our country, then we've got an obligation to help 'em make a more tolerant environment out of their own country. In the end I think that a strong Mexico is in the US’s own best interest, especial from a security standpoint.
 
I think with all the crap the 3 branches of the govt is handing us people may actually stop coming over on their own.
 
I doubt that, I mean you can still drink the water here. . . It's got more arsenic and mercury in it than it used too, but it's still drinkable.
 
Mystech said:
I doubt that, I mean you can still drink the water here. . . It's got more arsenic and mercury in it than it used too, but it's still drinkable.
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that's true plus I forgot that if you have a green card you get free medical
 
top mosker said:
It is an imaginary line and on one side of it, people are better off than the other. .... Take down the border, have a real free market in which there is no artificial controls of where humans migrate, and you have a solution.
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"Imaginary line"? "No artificial controls..."? So if immigrants want to camp out in the backyards of US residents, that's just fine with you? ...and we shouldn't ask them to leave? ...'cause they're just seeking a better life?

Hmm, let me think on that a bit, okay?

Baron Max
 
Why doesn't Bush put a stop to it? Could it be that he would lose the hispanic vote? Is he putting politics before national security? Perhaps the border is under closer scrutiny than we think. We might want to lure terrorists across the border and then get them with navy seals or something, at least I hope.

I'm against citizen intervention in this case, but law enforcement agencies should do something about it. It's not the mexicans I'm worried about.
 
spidergoat said:
Why doesn't Bush put a stop to it?
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Well, there's over 2,000 miles of Mexican border ...that's a lot of Border Patrol agents, don't you think? And it's also a helluva lot of money, a helluva lot of tax dollars (that most people won't agree to pay willingly!). With the Minutemen, they're free, they cost the government nothing, the cost the taxpayers nothing and they help patrol the border and stop illegal immigration ....what better solution can you think of?

So why are you against citizen intervention? Are you also against the neighborhood watch programs in many cities ....citizens watching out for their own neighborhood? Why, how can you be against it? It makes no sense to me. It's like the Iraqis "letting" the terrorists attack and kill them without doing a damned thing to help stop it. Does that also make sense to you?

And, yeah, I agree to a point, that it's not JUST about Mexicans. It's about ILLEGAL border crossings .....and if the Minutemen can help stop it, how, why can you be against it?

Baron Max
 
barron max I have strong reservations to minutemen patrolling the boarders armed but think that non-armed community service volunteers who report the crossings to border patrol may be a better route.

The issue I have with minutemen revolves around the notion that the boarder patrol guards we have in place have:

1) passed an interview.
2) passed a psych exam
3) took a firearm training and saftey course
4) are licensed to be law enforcement officers in their state
5) recieve ongoing and specialized training in their field.

the result is few to almost no killings of illegals crossing the boarder and few if any officer injuries. Rest assured that would change of a bunch of beer drinking gun tooting bubbas started patroling the boarder and "kicking tail".

But, if there were groups who took a workshop, got guidance from boarder patrol officers, did not carrry guns and were instructed not to phyically interact with suspects but instead radio it in that might be a workable compromise.
 
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