Talk your way out of this one
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And to that I'd like to add another favorite link
That's a good one - one of my favorites, in fact. Here is another one of my favorite websites, because every time I read it, I have to check the name on the copyright to make sure I didn't create it! Okay, since I've never really been a Christian before, I guess I couldn't really be an ex-Christian now. But other than that part, they do say all the same things I've been saying about the Christian religion and its founder for years. Enjoy!
Things We Didn't Find Out in Sunday School
That's a good one - one of my favorites, in fact. Here is another one of my favorite websites, because every time I read it, I have to check the name on the copyright to make sure I didn't create it! Okay, since I've never really been a Christian before, I guess I couldn't really be an ex-Christian now. But other than that part, they do say all the same things I've been saying about the Christian religion and its founder for years. Enjoy!
Things We Didn't Find Out in Sunday School
pumpkinsaren'torange
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aacccccccccckkkkkkkk....quit with the links already....can't anybody carry on a conversation any more these days without having to throw in a link for good measure or as if proof to back up their words? cripes almighty..
links are better than massive amounts of cut/paste.
Re: My Uncle Tex always said
But when not trying to convert people they are GREAT individuals. Faith gives some people a little extra 'something' which is probably the best argument for religion.
My fiance is religious and I've met quite a few fundies that she knows. They are all good people... the problem comes when the decide to convert you and refuse to accept no as an answer.
But when not trying to convert people they are GREAT individuals. Faith gives some people a little extra 'something' which is probably the best argument for religion.
fundamentalists are obnoxious when they measure everything by their beliefsystem with no room for nuance. I have nothing against spirituality or even religion.
Pumpkin, pasting parts of the site isn't useful, cause there's tons of bullshit on that site, which is taken as the Truth by some.
Fundamentalists who are 'good' people and who are nice to you out of a sense of superiority, I can live with. But if they start spouting crap about homersexuals and other degenerated folks, I feel like braking kneecaps.
Thanks.
Pumpkin, pasting parts of the site isn't useful, cause there's tons of bullshit on that site, which is taken as the Truth by some.
Fundamentalists who are 'good' people and who are nice to you out of a sense of superiority, I can live with. But if they start spouting crap about homersexuals and other degenerated folks, I feel like braking kneecaps.
Thanks.
Re: Re: My Uncle Tex always said
religion is a virus then....and when the virus lies dormant everything is seemingly normal. But if it reaches its virulent stage all hell brakes loose.
religion is a virus then....and when the virus lies dormant everything is seemingly normal. But if it reaches its virulent stage all hell brakes loose.
Is it just my preception on this or are the majority of people who seem to be the most bitter at fundamentalists (ism) are also the ones who have been brought up in and are actually from families who are still fundamentalists?
I went to college with a guy who was from a Southern Baptist background (even though we were going to school in Michigan) and he had a lot of baggage from his formative years that he carried with him and all of it seemed to stem from a very oppressive church. Can you imagine being raised in the Jerry Falwell tradition?
I invited him to go to Daytona with me one year on spring break .
We stopped at his folks house in Virginia on the way down. They were real nice to me despite the fact I was a long hair heathen at that time. They prayed at dinner but they never tried to proslytize.
Unfortunately, I didn't know even half of what I now know regarding world history and the rise of monotheism, particularly Chrisitianity. My parents were not particularly religious although occasionally we did attend church. I think it is disadvantegeous to be indoctrined into a church and then discover you're surrounded by free-thinkers later in life. I often wonder though if free-thinkers who despise the proslytizers ever consider what it must be like to be in their shoes. Isn't the fundamentalist bombarded by secular proslytizing every time they go turn on the TV or go to the mall?
When I browsed the links above I wondered about this. The individuals who go to this amount of trouble-- in an attempt to expose a religious book (or a religion in general) as being counterfeit, seems to me they are having some issues with their own lack of spirituality. I liken it to atheists who are really agnostics but don't want to admit it because they're afraid it might lead them somewhere.
I went to college with a guy who was from a Southern Baptist background (even though we were going to school in Michigan) and he had a lot of baggage from his formative years that he carried with him and all of it seemed to stem from a very oppressive church. Can you imagine being raised in the Jerry Falwell tradition?
I invited him to go to Daytona with me one year on spring break .
We stopped at his folks house in Virginia on the way down. They were real nice to me despite the fact I was a long hair heathen at that time. They prayed at dinner but they never tried to proslytize.
Unfortunately, I didn't know even half of what I now know regarding world history and the rise of monotheism, particularly Chrisitianity. My parents were not particularly religious although occasionally we did attend church. I think it is disadvantegeous to be indoctrined into a church and then discover you're surrounded by free-thinkers later in life. I often wonder though if free-thinkers who despise the proslytizers ever consider what it must be like to be in their shoes. Isn't the fundamentalist bombarded by secular proslytizing every time they go turn on the TV or go to the mall?
When I browsed the links above I wondered about this. The individuals who go to this amount of trouble-- in an attempt to expose a religious book (or a religion in general) as being counterfeit, seems to me they are having some issues with their own lack of spirituality. I liken it to atheists who are really agnostics but don't want to admit it because they're afraid it might lead them somewhere.
I was not raised in a fundamentalist family.
I believe in God.
I hate the fact that the history of Jezus or God is on such shaky grounds.
At that first site they call themselves exchristians. Indeed, many of these sites are to support people who lose their fate. Why? Cause these people need all the support they can get.
The "error" they make is that they apply the scientific method to these texts. Religion and science have nothing to do with each other. The thing is called "belief": you can not proof or disproof it. Kierkegaard said that belief is a mistery: everything you try to rationalise it, fails. That includes text criticism.
I believe in God.
I hate the fact that the history of Jezus or God is on such shaky grounds.
At that first site they call themselves exchristians. Indeed, many of these sites are to support people who lose their fate. Why? Cause these people need all the support they can get.
The "error" they make is that they apply the scientific method to these texts. Religion and science have nothing to do with each other. The thing is called "belief": you can not proof or disproof it. Kierkegaard said that belief is a mistery: everything you try to rationalise it, fails. That includes text criticism.
Dear A4Ever
I wasn't necessarily referring to you but I'm glad you believe in God. I am also intrigued with your comment,
I dunno....
While I'd be quick to say I agree, especially in the case of the conflict between scientific materialism and Biblical literalism, ie. the evolution vs. creation debate, I also see science and religion as both trying to answer and understand some fundamental questions like where we came from, where we are, where we are going and what lies beyond the visible spectrum.
Now just one question for ya A4Ever, are these bastards and morons you refer to just Biblical literalists or basically anyone who says Jesus saves?
I wasn't necessarily referring to you but I'm glad you believe in God. I am also intrigued with your comment,
I dunno....
While I'd be quick to say I agree, especially in the case of the conflict between scientific materialism and Biblical literalism, ie. the evolution vs. creation debate, I also see science and religion as both trying to answer and understand some fundamental questions like where we came from, where we are, where we are going and what lies beyond the visible spectrum.
Now just one question for ya A4Ever, are these bastards and morons you refer to just Biblical literalists or basically anyone who says Jesus saves?
I dunno, but I can say that's not the case for me. I was brought up with virtually no religion whatsoever (attended church only when I was spending the night at a friend's house and THEY had to go). But I can't stand fundamentalists either. My gripe is that they have such a narrow and exclusive view on things, yet they expect (demand) that the whole world follow their rules and live by their morals. And they cling so desperately to what they believe, they usually have extreme (and often violent) reactions when they feel they're being challenged in some way.
After all, you'll never catch an agnostic bombing temples or shooting abortion clinic doctors, will you?
Often violent?
I think you meant to say something like 'they have strong convictions and SOME have even been known to become violent'.
I believe you're allowing just a touch of bias to cloud your perceptions here. Not all fundies are Eric Robert Rudolph's going around bombing baby killing clinics either. Somehow I don't picture most big time murderers and psychopathic dictators as the church going type. Cults? Sure. Just look at the Christian Identity movement. Can you say bigots, racists and murderers for Jesus Christ? The problem is they're not really Christians nor are they fundamentalists.
Evil things are done by evil people, even when they believe they're behaving righteously and doing it for God.
I think you meant to say something like 'they have strong convictions and SOME have even been known to become violent'.
I believe you're allowing just a touch of bias to cloud your perceptions here. Not all fundies are Eric Robert Rudolph's going around bombing baby killing clinics either. Somehow I don't picture most big time murderers and psychopathic dictators as the church going type. Cults? Sure. Just look at the Christian Identity movement. Can you say bigots, racists and murderers for Jesus Christ? The problem is they're not really Christians nor are they fundamentalists.
Evil things are done by evil people, even when they believe they're behaving righteously and doing it for God.
ConsequentAtheist
Registered Senior Member
Re: Often violent?
Or weak people easily influenced ...
ConsequentAtheist
Registered Senior Member
Re: Weak people
Actually, no.