Starting Civilization From Scratch

Fraggle Rocker said:
But you don't have the time. You've got to find food before you starve. If a hundred thousand people start eating and walking, they will clear the forest of nuts and berries faster than they can walk. By the third day they will have walked 60 miles and completely stripped a circle 120 miles in diameter of everything edible. ...
Quite. The logistics of the problem are most vexing. If they were distributed evenly across the world, then it would be a different problem, harder to get a civilization going. I'm afraid with no supplies and only their clothes, the result will be like the first british colony in Jamestown.

Where are they? Can they find and kill a herd of cattle? 100,000 people could grab spears and form a huge circle across the landscape. Then they could walk inward and flush out whatever game was present.

Organization of the colony depends on how they are going to make a living.
 
PLAN SO FAR


ANNOUNCEMENT
My first agenda would be an announcement.

I have a plan. I am an expert in social design, facilitation, and arbitration. I will describe my plan of action for all of us. The first thing we need to do is get organized.

1. We all need food and water.
2. We all need an organized area to sleep.
3. We all need places to bathe and use the bathroom.
4. We all need supplies for cleaning ourselves.
5. We all need clothes.

I will describe how we can get organized to accomodate everybody. Before I describe this, I will address 2 things first. First, taking care of the children. Second, remaining at peace.


1. CHILDREN
First, we require a group of people in charge of looking after all children from 0-13 years old. These "Chaperones" will make sure the children are cared for, and kept organized. When ready, I will ask adults who feel they can handle this task to volunteer. We will need one adult per 20 children.


2. PEACE
Second, I am proclaiming my goal ensure that our society has not a single incident of human on human violence. We all need to ensure that not a single one of us here ever attacks another person violently or harrasses another person. We will prosper as long as we commit to this goal of a perfect track record for no incidents of human on human violence. There are various ways we can all work together to keep the peace.

We will all get together each day to vow that we will not commit a violent act on another no matter what, and that we will not harrass another no matter what.

We all need to work together to be alert of any potentially violent situations, and step in to make sure nothing happens. If you see anybody harrassing anybody, please try to safely diffuse the situation. If you feel you are being harrassed or threatened by anybody in any slightest form, please let us know about it.

If you have a dispute with anybody or have a complaint about anybody, we will all work together to come to a peaceful resolution that is satisfactory to all. We can satisfy everybody.


I will now describe each phase of my plan. After this description, we will move on to implementation.


PHASE 1
The first phase is the chaperone phase. I will have a brief meeting of each potential chaperone. I will be needing a single assistant to help me with all of the phases. The chaperones will be chosen. They will be listed, and accounted for as the official chaperones. A temporary area will be perimitered where they can gather the children, and look after them while phase 2 is conducted.


PHASE 2
Phase 2 is the head count. A group of head counters will be assigned to keep track of all the Male adults, Female adults, Male children, and Female children. This will be accomplished by creating a dividing area. The Chaperones will be in charge of conducting the head count for their area. They will count the total amount of children and chaperones.

The assigned head counters will cound the rest. We will draw a dividing line accross the ground. All people start out on one side of the line. The head counters will facilitate each person crossing to the other side of the line. As they do so, they will be counted. Once everybody is on the other side of the line, and accounted for, we will continue to phase 3.


DESCRIPTION OF NEXT PHASES
We will not move on to agricultural farming until we conclude emergency functioning.

The next few phases will involve setting up our current tribal village by dividing up the land area for different purposes. Sleeping area, eating area, bathroom area, bathing area.

The next few phases after that will involve distributing chores and tasks. This will include gathering food, rationing food, distributing rations, gathering materials, producing clothes, producing beds, producing personal care items, creating methods for bathing and using the bathroom, etc.


PHASE 3 TRIBAL DIVISIONS
Create 5 divisions of 20,000 people each. But they would all have the same organizational structure as defined within these designs. Then each division would be divided into 5 tribes of 4,000. This means that there will be 5 division leaders in charge of 5 tribe leaders each.

The land will then be distributed accordingly to each tribe. 25 tribes in total means 25 areas. Each structured in according to the same organizational format. Tribe leaders periodically meet with eachother to learn more and give advice.

Each tribe has the following area format. This is the first day, so everything is still outdoors. HERE:

Residential area. (Parcels where everybody sleeps.)
Food area. (Area where everybody eats.)
Bathing area.
Bathroom area.
Childcare area.
Tribe center.


PHASE 3
Each head will have a roughly 8ft X 8ft parcel of ground. This ground is their own personal sleeping quarters. Nobody will be allowed to step into another person's area without permission.

The areas will be divided into 3 sections:
Male Adults
Female Adults
Children and Chaperones

Each section will be divided in multiple square areas that represent the sleeping quarters for each individual.

There are no longer any rulers. We will find an object of length of about a foot. This object will represent the new standard of measurement. We will use this new standard to create qual sized parcels for each individual.


PHASE 4
Phase 4 is the design of bathroom and bathing area. We need somebody knowledgable to plan a method in which we can use the bathroom and bathe. Does anybody have any good ideas for this?
 
1. We all need food and water.
2. We all need an organized area to sleep.
3. We all need places to bathe and use the bathroom.
4. We all need supplies for cleaning ourselves.
5. We all need clothes.

I think these two would be our LAST concerns. Skinny dipping in a lake is fine for as long as we have to.
 
What exactly is so amazing about this plan of his anyway? Who is going to accept an 8ftx8ft "parcel" of land to live in if they have the whole world?
 
I am an expert in social design, facilitation, and arbitration.
You appreciate that anyone at all can declare themselves expert in anything at all, yes?

So: what are your qualifications? And, if you have none, why should anyone take any notice of what you say.

Step 1: Establish your credentials. If they're convincing I guarantee that we will all follow you.
 
How far would he have gotten into that speech before someone rolled a boulder on to his head?

Probably about halfway through it. Someone would would be asking why we should listen to him, why he is always right and we are wrong, and probably a good handful would start their own society.

Ilogical.
 
Probably about halfway through it. Someone would would be asking why we should listen to him, why he is always right and we are wrong, and probably a good handful would start their own society.

Ilogical.
Ahh yes I didn't factor in the period of confusion and dumbfounded disbelief over his audacity.
He might have even got up to his ridiculous trivial bathing arrangements before someone said "wait a second, wtf?" and rolled the boulder.
But I can't imagine him getting further than that. That calibre of insane stupidity will snap you out of a bewildered daze quick smart.
 
Each tribe has the following area format. This is the first day, so everything is still outdoors. HERE:
Residential area. (Parcels where everybody sleeps.)
Food area. (Area where everybody eats.)
Bathing area.
Bathroom area.
Childcare area.
Tribe center.

Imagine 20,000 people shifting between these areas at the exact same time of day....cool skill's ideal tribal society is one gigantic crowd disaster waiting to happen.

That's if he can find 20,000 people stupid enough to listen to him.
 
Actually I think I'll post that image so that people can more readily visualise where we've got to so far:

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"Calling all bureaucrats! Please make your way to central planning!"
 
Yeah even if his plans were really rational and logical he'd still be a huge fucking moron if he tried to announce them to a large crowd.
Hilariously, it happens to be some of the dumbest shit I've ever read.

On what grounds did he decide to himself that these were good ideas?
"first we'd need like kindergarten teachers and soap and shit"
It's mindblowingly beautifully stupid on so many levels.
Can anyone genuinely be this unintelligent? Is lixluke a joke character by a comedic genius?
I'll pay that if he is, and concede to being duped, good show.
 
This seems more like a better solution than telling everybody to leave and go fend for themselves if they are not happy with the majority situation.
Any person that leaves New Colony can potentially establish an evil society to threaten New Colony. Although I would contend that we can handle them if that were the case.

The solution was to create 5 divisions of 20,000 each. But they would still be under the same structure as one another. Then each division would be divided into 5 tribes of 4,000. This means that there will be 5 division leaders in charge of 5 tribe leaders each.

The land will then be distributed accordingly to each tribe. 25 tribes in total means 25 areas. Each structured in according to the same format. But as each tribe leader meets, we can learn from eachother.
If you use the same outline for a system of laws in each society, how will you be able to create societies without revolts within them for everyone?What I was saying is that each "tribe" as ou've labled them would have a seperate set of rules and a seperate government system that fit the members of that tribe the best. With each society having the same structure and rules as the others, there's no way that you can have a society that most of the people aren't mad(and likely violent) about.
 
The form of writing that has been used is using sticks to draw on dirt to draw up examples. Other than that, paper, pencil, etc has to wait until the 25 tribes of New Colony are settled.

The purpose of the organizational structure is to give tribe leaders a format to follow. As they implement them, they also meet often to discuss the different reactions and situations that occur within their tribes, and come up with methods for dealing with situations.

I have to include the major projects into my description.
1. Establish current settlement.
2. Scout for a better land and land for cultivation.
3. Migrate the 25 tribes of New Colony to the new land.
4. Establish settlement in new land.
5. Set up farms.
 
Again: what are your qualifications in social design and your credentials for leadership? If you have none, why should anyone take any notice of what you're saying?

What makes you an authority? It's a serious question, which must be answered or there's no point in you proceeding any further.
 
I think these two would be our LAST concerns. Skinny dipping in a lake is fine for as long as we have to.
They are the 2 last next to clothes.

1. Food and water.
2. Organized area to sleep.
3. Clothes.
4. Place to bathe and use the bathroom.
5. Soap and other personal cleaning supplies.
(Another issue is potential insects.)

I assure you that all 5 of these are very necessary. We need a good method of creating bathroom area where human waste can be dealt with efficiently.

Each tribe should get one.

PHASE 4
Each tribe shall have bathroom sections to accommodate the tribe population. I suggest creating sort of stalls. People can sit on toilets all connected together, but with separations between eachother. There will be leaves for wiping, and water for flusing.

I'm not sure how all this work, so I can only speculate a design for this. A person goes to the toilet. Water is poured into the toilet, and the running water carries the waste along a path to a tank at the bottom of a hill. This is where all the waste contents will be.
 
The logistics of the problem are most vexing. If they were distributed evenly across the world, then it would be a different problem, harder to get a civilization going. I'm afraid with no supplies and only their clothes, the result will be like the first british colony in Jamestown. Where are they? Can they find and kill a herd of cattle? 100,000 people could grab spears and form a huge circle across the landscape. Then they could walk inward and flush out whatever game was present.
It's just not that easy. We still get thwarted by sheer arithmetic and logistics. Let's be optimistic and say that a healthy person can walk sixty miles in three days without food before he becomes too weak with hunger to continue. Obviously we can't all radiate uniformly in all directions from our starting point to form a circle with a sixty-mile radius, or we'll be flushing the game ahead of us and there will be none left inside our circle.

So we walk in a straight line for twenty miles, then send half the group to the right and half to the left, to form two semicircles that close in on each other. Not back around our original position but ahead of us, where the game hopefully hasn't been alerted to the sounds and smells of 100,000 people twenty miles away. The weakest people get to stop first and conserve their energy while the most vigorous (and this is a good deployment for those with the largest reserves of fat) walk the farthest and complete the circle. The vanguard will have walked 83 miles, creating a circle with a diameter of 40 miles and an area of 1,256 square miles.

How many game animals will we have surrounded in an area that size? Our best luck would be to land in the right place in South Dakota in 1800, and find a herd of thousands of American Bison ("buffalo") inside our circle. We'll just gloss over the fact that an entire pack of wolves can barely kill one frail elderly bison, losing several of their members in the process, and also the fact that very few of us can make or wield a spear. We'll butcher several hundred pounds of meat per animal which will feed our tribe of 100,000... for just a few weeks. There won't be many nuts and berries to augment that carnivorous diet because huge herds of herbivores live on grassy plains, not in the forest. We'll start to suffer vitamin and mineral deficiencies very quickly. And what do we do once we've eaten all that meat? We'll never use that trick again because the neighboring bison herds will have stampeded away in panic and gotten far beyond our walking range.

Now what do we do?
Organization of the colony depends on how they are going to make a living.
You talk as if we're going to be able create something worthy of being called an "economy." Subsistence will be our only focus, until we become adept enough at producing food that we can think beyond our aching bellies and tomorrow's breakfast. No one will be "making a living." We will all be lucky to be simply "living" at all.

If we somehow survive the first few weeks, we'll be forced to spread out as quickly as possible until the density of the population is low enough that the land will support us without agriculture. As I estimated in an earlier post, I think that means spreading our hundred thousand people across an area no smaller than Texas, so each little family group has a hunting and gathering area with sustainable animal and plant food resources for long-term survival.

Only then will we have enough spare time and energy to concentrate on reinventing Stone Age technology. Knapped flint for firestarters and cutting tools, lean-tos for shelter, tanned hides for clothing and blankets, woven reeds for baskets.

With no surplus labor and no infrastructure, we'll be incapable of building anything but the simplest Stone Age artifacts. With no efficient travel or communication, we'll be incapable of functioning as one large community. The resources and organization necessary to jump-start the reestablishment of civilization will not exist. We'll have to rediscover agriculture and it takes several generations to cultivate and hybridize food crops from which we can reap a surplus. We'll have to capture and tame wild animals to reinvent animal husbandry. We'll have to solve the nutritional problems inherent in a diet with little variety that resulted in the adult human life expectancy falling from 53 years to 23 years after the spread of farming. Then we'll be able to build permanent settlements rather than each family roaming over its entire hunting and gathering region all year round.

At this point we will have progressed to the Neolithic Era, from which it took our ancestors about 1,500 years to build the first city.

All of the original colonists will be long dead by the time any of this happens. We hope our descendants will keep the art of reading and writing alive so they can read everything we wrote (in our spare time with no writing materials) about how to improve their lives.

If we even survive long enough to breed. We all think we're pretty savvy about survival. We can fix a flat tire, reset a circuit breaker, unclog a toilet, open a can of sardines by candlelight. Uh huh. Can any of us recognize a source of flint? Thatch a roof? Track an animal? Turn a young tree into a shaft straight enough to use as a spear... with a flint blade?

Read Clan of the Cave Bear by Jean Auel, one of my favorite books. She learned how to do all of these things, and then spent a winter living alone in the arctic wilderness putting that learning into practice. Then she wrote about life in the Mesolithic Era with great authority and in great detail.

I don't know about you, but I doubt that I would survive those first three days.
 
Again: what are your qualifications in social design and your credentials for leadership? If you have none, why should anyone take any notice of what you're saying?

What makes you an authority? It's a serious question, which must be answered or there's no point in you proceeding any further.
My credentials have been established.
What are you looking for?

I have yet to meet a challenger that can top me when it comes organizational design, social functioning, system design, facilitation, arbitration, and all the things involved in dealing with mass organization.

I do not do it for any other reason like others have shown to want to be worshiped. I do it because I am the best, and none have come close to my prowess. Any challenger has provent to be flawed or buckled under the pressure. Meanwhile, I conduct the symphony smoothly and soundly for all to be happy and satisfied.
 
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