Special Relativity Is Refuted

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chinglu

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This link shows if the spherical light wave propagates away from the unprimed frame at c, then based on calculus, there are regions of space in which the spherical light wave propagates toward the primed origin contradicting the light postulate in the primed frame.

http://vixra.org/pdf/1108.0002v1.pdf
 
You used math to contradict the postulate. Since geometry, including hyperbolic geometry is self-consistent, the error belongs to the author. It is self-refuting, self published tripe.
 
rpenner said:
You used math to contradict the postulate. It is self-refuting, self published tripe.
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So, what math is incorrect.

The article is very specific with the math and you are very smart.

Therefore, you can PROVE the math false.

How long will that take?
 
rpenner said:
You used math to contradict the postulate. Since geometry, including hyperbolic geometry is self-consistent, the error belongs to the author. It is self-refuting, self published tripe.
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Did I mention the article used calculus?

Sometimes I forget things.

Cording to calculus, if the SLW propagates away from the unprimed origin, it must propagate toward the primed origin given the examples.

Are you claining calculus is false?
 
chinglu said:
Did I mention the article used calculus?

Sometimes I forget things.

Cording to calculus, if the SLW propagates away from the unprimed origin, it must propagate toward the primed origin given the examples.

Are you claining calculus is false?
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Calculus isn't false, but the way this guy's trying to apply it is what's wrong. The partial derivative $$\frac{\partial x'}{\partial x}$$ is incorrectly calculated on the assumption that the $$y$$ component of the light pulse's position can be varied independently of $$x$$, contradicting the spherical wave postulate which was used to substitute $$t\to\frac{1}{c}\sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2}$$. Didn't bother reading the remainder of the paper, because this kind of faulty logic is crap.
 
CptBork said:
Calculus isn't false, but the way this guy's trying to apply it is what's wrong. The partial derivative $$\frac{\partial x'}{\partial x}$$ is incorrectly calculated on the assumption that the $$y$$ component of the light pulse's position can be varied independently of $$x$$, contradicting the spherical wave postulate which was used to substitute $$t\to\frac{1}{c}\sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2}$$. Didn't bother reading the remainder of the paper, because this kind of faulty logic is crap.
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The partial deriative can be complicated.

But, it holds y and z fixed and calculates the derivative therefrom.

The partial derivative is correct in the paper.

Try again.
 
chinglu said:
The partial deriative can be complicated.
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No, it's not complicated at all, certainly not the example you provided. Standard first week freshman material.

chinglu said:
But, it holds y and z fixed and calculates the derivative therefrom.
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The paper already assumes a spherical light wave, which means $$y$$ is constrained to be proportional to $$x$$, which means no, they can't be independently varied. By your logic you could also treat $$t$$ as an independent variable, and then you'd get $$\frac{\partial x'}{\partial x}=1$$, which would be ridiculous.

chinglu said:
The partial derivative is correct in the paper.

Try again.
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You should have checked the math with us first before wasting your time writing up all that LaTeX.
 
CptBork said:
No, it's not complicated at all, certainly not the example you provided. Standard first week freshman material.



The paper already assumes a spherical light wave, which means $$y$$ is constrained to be proportional to $$x$$, which means no, they can't be independently varied. By your logic you could also treat $$t$$ as an independent variable, and then you'd get $$\frac{\partial x'}{\partial x}=1$$, which would be ridiculous.



You should have checked the math with us first before wasting your time writing up all that LaTeX.
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Uh, I see you are confused.

Y and z are fixed.

Now, can you refute y and z fixed that |x'| decreases as negative with x increasing with the SLW between the origins?
 
chinglu said:
Uh, I see you are confused.

Y and z are fixed.
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Then it's no longer a spherical wave- the relation $$t=\frac{1}{c}\sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2}$$ doesn't hold for fixed $$y,z$$ unless you set $$y=z=0$$ for all times, and if the light pulse propagates directly along the x-axis, then it's a basic result that the pulse will be moving at $$c$$ in the same direction in both frames.
 
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Admitting that I have not read the whole of the paper, if this were a court of law the proper response would be, "Assumes facts not in evidence".

An initial issue, at least from the Abstract, is that the paper is addressing the situation from within the context of special relativity, which is consistent with a frame of reference that is a flat 4-D Minkowski space time, consistent with special relativity. While even a few years ago we could have assumed that the conclusions drawn from such a perspective were valid, on their own merit. That is not entirely the case today.

It has always been assumed, that general relativity reduces to consistency with Newtonian dynamics locally. This because within the known margins of error Newton's field equations represent a good description of local space. General relativity becomes dominant only in the case of the proximity of "strong" gravitational fields.

The recent results from the GP-B experiment demonstrate that space is curved and dynamic even under gravitational condition traditionally considered to be dominated by Newtonian dynamics. This suggests that instead of general relativity reducing to Newtonian dynamics locally, it is more likely Newton's field equations provide a close approximation of Einstein's field equations, locally.

Since we know know now know that space is locally dynamic, we also know that it is nowhere truly completely Newtonian. Beginning the exploration of a model such as has been put forward within the confines of special relativity is by far an easier task than jumping right into the more complicated field equation and space-time of GR. However, in light of the proofs provided by the GP-B experiment, until the assumptions and conclusions have been verified from the perspective of GR, they can no longer be assumed to be a proof.

This really bothers me personally. However, GP-B has proven that space is locally curved and because of the nature of light we can no longer assume that, in the case of light space and space-time are anywhere anything other than relativistic.

Does this sound like garbage? In some ways it does really bother me, personally. But it does seem that we can no longer treat SR and a flat 4-D Minkowski space time as anything other than a locally close approximation of GR rather than the other way around.

Beyond all this, the paper cited and its conclusions are not consistent with experience.
 
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Emil said:
I think I used incorrect English.
Special Relativity was refuted long ago, here on the SciForums.
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Where was this ground-breaking refutation published in the peer-reviewed scientific literature?

Why didn't I see this ground-breaking refutation of Einstein's work publicised in the news media?
 
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