Spanking Lowers IQ Points

[Orleander]

...Spanking = physical assault
Humilaition = mental torture

In my house if you make fun of a mentally handicapped child in class in front of other students and humiliate her, I have no sympathy for any embarrassment I may cause you by sitting in class with you.

Your idea of torture and mine are vastly different.

 

[jpappl]

In my house if you make fun of a mentally handicapped child in class in front of other students and humiliate her, I have no sympathy for any embarrassment I may cause you by sitting in class with you.

Your idea of torture and mine are vastly different.

Is that what she did ?

I didn't know the circumstances of what led up to the action by you. You never laid that out. Just what you did.

If my kid did that, then I can see that as an appropriate response.

But that is a pretty harsh thing to do by the kid, according to some here, you shouldn't have disciplined them at all. I for one am glad that you did.

 

[Orleander]

Is that what she did ?

I didn't know the circumstances of what led up to the action by you. You never laid that out. Just what you did.

If my kid did that, then I can see that as an appropriate response.

But that is a pretty harsh thing to do by the kid, according to some here, you shouldn't have disciplined them at all. I for one am glad that you did.

Its what my son did.
And why would you need the reason to know if it was appropriate or not? How is it magically not mental torture now?

 

[visceral_instinct]

How old were you ?

As the child gets older there is far more room to work with them because they not only understand bigger concepts, like why you are taking away their swimming etc but those are more meaningful and more important to them.

It's funny because for me, the few times that they went so far to warrant a spanking. Is so rare it's barely even worth discussing.

The majority of the discipline that is needed is more along the lines of what you are suggesting. It's called parenting and every parent understands this.

I was 7 or 8 ish...

 

[jpappl]

Its what my son did.
And why would you need the reason to know if it was appropriate or not? How is it magically not mental torture now?

Because what he did was what I would consider if my child did it, really freaking bad and definitely not how they were raised. Which is apparently how you considered it.

So in this sense you made the punishment fit the crime, which was appropriate.

But lets say, they snuck out to see a movie with friends when they were supposed to be home doing their homework and ended up missing the assignment.

Would you do the same ?

So of course the discipline action is dependent on what the kid did.

 

[jpappl]

I was 7 or 8 ish...

Makes sense. Works fine at that age. So let me ask you, did you ever get spanked ?

When if you can remember was the last time you got spanked, what age were you ?

 

[Orleander]

Because what he did was what I would consider if my child did it, really freaking bad and definitely not how they were raised. Which is apparently how you considered it.

So in this sense you made the punishment fit the crime, which was appropriate.

But lets say, they snuck out to see a movie with friends when they were supposed to be home doing their homework and ended up missing the assignment.

Would you do the same ?

So of course the discipline action is dependent on what the kid did.

So it wasn't mental torture?? That makes no sense to me. What did you think? That I just showed up on a whim because he didn't brush his teeth?

And my child's homework is their responsibility, not mine. If they didn't get it done because they were screwing around, it will be dealt with by their teacher. They get paid for good grades ($5 for an A, $2.50 for a B, $1 for a C, owe me $10 for a D, owe me $25 for an F)
And neither of my kids have ever snuck out of the house.

 

[cluelusshusbund]

"cluelusshusbund"
...when everthang else has been tryed an not even spankin works... then what does a parent do.???

I answered the best I could.

Yep... the bes you coud... an at leas i acknowledge what you said... but even tho ive tolt you time after time what my alternative to spankin is... you an others keep sayin I dont have a alternative to "spankin"... lol.!!!

A lot would have to do with their age as I said. A young say 4 year old that didn't respond to a spanking and other methods may need to have counseling etc to find out if there is something going on that needs to be diagnosed.

Now you'r gettin the pitcher... sorta... lol... an yes... i agree that counselin/diagnoses woud be in order (no mayb about it) for the situaton above... but whare i differ wit you... if my child didnt respond to gettin lots of (positive) parental attenton an love an respect... i certanly woudnt resort to hittin 'em insted of seekin professonal help

The kids that I have known that are mis-behaved the most have not received any or very little discipline.

Ive never hit a baby/child but i dont thank i woud like it... an if i realy didnt like hittin children i cant emagine why i woudnt explore methods that dont require hittin an still have a disciplined kid... but for reasons unknown... unless toddlers receive punishments includin whippins... you act as if discipline ant posible.!!!

O well... like they say... once a hitter always a hitter :shrug:

Anyway I give up on this topic.

This is at leas the 3rd thred concernin this topic you have made it known you didnt want any part of... an yet... like a bad penny...............

 

[Orleander]

...This is at leas the 3rd thred concernin this topic you have made it known you didnt want any part of... an yet... like a bad penny...............

LMAO!! Has she called me names yet? If not, she'll be back.

 

[ripleofdeath]

I don't hit my kids, I have spanked them 6 times total after they went over the line. So out of 5,840 days in their lives, they were spanked 6 times and they earned them.

the child does not get to agree to this rule you made resulting in violence.
soo..
it is no different to me punching you in the face a few times because you have earnt it by interacting with me.

my life my surroundings my laws my rules.
why should i care what you think at all ?
its all my power & my choice !
i own you because you choose to live around me in my world !

 

[jpappl]

So it wasn't mental torture?? That makes no sense to me. What did you think? That I just showed up on a whim because he didn't brush his teeth?

No I don't think in that case it was. He brought that on himself by doing what he did.

Yes, we asked what you would do other then spanking and you came back with. "I show up at their school and embarrass them in front of their peers"

No other explanation given. So we assumed that is how you handle discipline issues as it was given as an alternative.

And neither of my kids have ever snuck out of the house.

I was only using that as an example. Would you embarrass them in front of friends for that ?

 

[ripleofdeath]

Mod Hat — Inquiry

So ... as we reach 500 posts in this discussion, is the science part over? I mean, are we just going to fight over which of our Sciforums neighbors are abusing their kids?

It's like this bit I heard on the radio the other day. Some reporter was doing a story on people who drive fast. You know, ridiculously fast. The ones who go blowing by you on the freeway like a bad movie. And to the one, every fast driver the reporter talked to thought they were a good driver.

And, undoubtedly, some of them are.

excellent point !
i am a good driver but when others say they are a good driver too what they dont know is what i am holding myself in comparison to.
i am comparing myself to them as being bad LOL
soo.. im completely out of the ball park when it comes to their standards of "good".

lets face it, most parent just want their kids to be a clone of them but earn more money. they cant stand the idea of their own kids being smarter than them and deserving a better life style. just a more expensive one with them being more lazy.

 

[jpappl]

the child does not get to agree to this rule you made resulting in violence.
soo..
it is no different to me punching you in the face a few times because you have earnt it by interacting with me.

my life my surroundings my laws my rules.
why should i care what you think at all ?
its all my power & my choice !
i own you because you choose to live around me in my world !

No, I am not responsible for you. I am for my kids who will grow up and you don't want them being some piece of work who will lie, steal and whatever else they want to do. That may one day affect you.

What did I do to earn the punch in the face. I could have called you wife a big fat ass. Then I would expect nothing else from you.

Don't get so ridiculous to compare the two situations, they are not the same.

 

[Orleander]

excellent point !
i am a good driver but when others say they are a good driver too what they dont know is what i am holding myself in comparison to.
i am comparing myself to them as being bad LOL
soo.. im completely out of the ball park when it comes to their standards of "good".

lets face it, most parent just want their kids to be a clone of them but earn more money. they cant stand the idea of their own kids being smarter than them and deserving a better life style. just a more expensive one with them being more lazy.

Do you think people view spanking as ok because their parents did it to them and they don't want to see the way they were raised as wrong? That their parents were wrong?

 

[jpappl]

Clueless,

Yep... the bes you coud... an at leas i acknowledge what you said... but even tho ive tolt you time after time what my alternative to spankin is... you an others keep sayin I dont have a alternative to "spankin"... lol.!!!

No you haven't, in fact your alternative is to do nothing. Trying to reason with a child that has become for reasons of their choosing, unreasonable, no action is not an answer.

Now you'r gettin the pitcher... sorta... lol... an yes... i agree that counselin/diagnoses woud be in order (no mayb about it) for the situaton above... but whare i differ wit you... if my child didnt respond to gettin lots of (positive) parental attenton an love an respect... i certanly woudnt resort to hittin 'em insted of seekin professonal help

Nor would I in that situation. Why would I. In the above, the child has done nothing wrong.

Ive never hit a baby/child but i dont thank i woud like it... an if i realy didnt like hittin children i cant emagine why i woudnt explore methods that dont require hittin an still have a disciplined kid... but for reasons unknown... unless toddlers receive punishments includin whippins... you act as if discipline ant posible.!!!

O well... like they say... once a hitter always a hitter

So once again, FU. Again you are suggesting that I have not used other methods. I use what is appropriate for the situation. And you can't imagine because you haven't raised kids. So once again 6 times out of 5840 days + of parenting and I just go straight to whippin the kids eh. Talk about a wide brush.

 

[jpappl]

Do you think people view spanking as ok because their parents did it to them and they don't want to see the way they were raised as wrong? That their parents were wrong?

Or that it is not wrong and was really no big deal and the times that it happened we ourselves earned it.

 

[ripleofdeath]

Yes, we asked what you would do other then spanking ?

you and your lot continue to ask this question however you have not got what it takes to control yourself to follow through.
just like asking a 6 year old child to hold a loaded machine gun and not pull the trigger and walking away and leaving them there for an hour.

its absurd behaviour !
you know it is !
you know you lack self discipline and cant control yourself !

but you continue to ask for resolutions to problems you have already chosen to lose control of yourself should they arise and then you make excuses.

around and around you go teaching these cycles of excuse making to your kids and making them less intelligent than others.
thus lower IQ from spanking

case closed !

 

[Orleander]

Or that it is not wrong and was really no big deal and the times that it happened we ourselves earned it.

or that your parents just totally lost it and did it when they were pissed as hell.

Memories of my 'spankings' are a lot different than most others here apparently. My folks were never sorry. They never felt 'it hurt me worse than it hurt them' crap. It was never a swat on the butt.

I wonder how today's children will see it.

 

[jpappl]

you and your lot continue to ask this question however you have not got what it takes to control yourself to follow through.
just like asking a 6 year old child to hold a loaded machine gun and not pull the trigger and walking away and leaving them there for an hour.

its absurd behaviour !
you know it is !
you know you lack self discipline and cant control yourself !

but you continue to ask for resolutions to problems you have already chosen to lose control of yourself should they arise and then you make excuses.

around and around you go teaching these cycles of excuse making to your kids and making them less intelligent than others.
thus lower IQ from spanking

case closed !

Case not closed

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125548136491383915.html

"Yet the three aren't likely to resolve anything. Many statisticians say they find in them less a firm conclusion than further proof of the difficulty of measuring spanking's impact."

"For instance, the American College of Pediatricians, which split from the academy over its backing of adoption by same-sex couples, supports spanking in certain instances. Den Trumbull, vice president of the group, says studies need to distinguish between appropriate spanking -- following a warning and done in privacy following specific, proscribed misbehavior -- and reactive, anger-based spanking. "Spanking gets a bad name of late, because parents tend to use it reactively, when having a bad day," Dr. Trumbull says."

"Daniel Mundfrom, a statistician at New Mexico State University in Las Cruces, says that even without accounting for other factors, spanking at age 1 explained less than 1% of the variation in cognitive ability at age 3. In other words, maybe spanking does lower intelligence, but not by much."

If at all.

The biggest flaw is that kids at that age are way off from each other. My daughter was way advanced compared to my son, I remember my sisters thinking there was something wrong with their sons who were a year older, but not reading nearly at the level she was.

 

[jpappl]

or that your parents just totally lost it and did it when they were pissed as hell.

Memories of my 'spankings' are a lot different than most others here apparently. My folks were never sorry. They never felt 'it hurt me worse than it hurt them' crap. It was never a swat on the butt.

I wonder how today's children will see it.

Well that is why you see it that way. I am sorry they did that to you in a way that really was not about an attempt to discipline. But parents did that back then more often and that is wrong.

I do not agree with spanking kids out of the blue and have never advocated that. My dad always took us in a room, away from others and we got talked to about why before he did it. Just like I did with mine.