It would be just as effective to address the subject using low-frequency, high-magnitude vocalizations. The physiological consequences are similar. However, I would consider it to be abusive to leave children in the presence of low-frequency, high-volume reverberations for extended periods of time. In fact, I believe that motorists who are responsible for producing this type of noise pollution should be punished as felons for their assault on my adrenal glands.
Spanking Lowers IQ Points
- Thread starter Orleander
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Oh, you should hear some of my suggestions regarding cannabilism.
FYI
Oleander,cluelesshusband..
a thread i just created with you in mind..'Alternative spanking methods'
its about alternative ways to discipline without spanking...
i think your two opinions would be very benifitual to that topic..
Oleander,cluelesshusband..
a thread i just created with you in mind..'Alternative spanking methods'
its about alternative ways to discipline without spanking...
i think your two opinions would be very benifitual to that topic..
Talking to Orleander is like talking to a brick wall. :wallbang: You guys are wasting your time.
Most spankings on a toddler's butt through a diaper doesn't cause physical pain. Mine were more upset with the fact that Mommy got so mad that it got to that. Kids want to make their parent's happy and when they see you are disappointed in them, it upsets them, at least that is how my kid's are. They are good kids and I treat them very well but they know when I am upset and disappointed in them and they feel really bad when that happens.
Considering the occasional spanker's here seem to have well behaved, respectful kids....I don't see any harm was done and this whole guilt trip just isn't going to work.
I asked my kids recently if they remember the few times they were spanked and they don't even remember. One of my son's remember one time vaguely. If they were abused or assaulted they would surely remember.
I remember exactly what the belt my mom used looks like all these yrs later. I remember getting hit for stupid things. I remember getting hit a hell of a lot more
then a couple of times. I could call what she did abuse and I remember it well.
Most spankings on a toddler's butt through a diaper doesn't cause physical pain. Mine were more upset with the fact that Mommy got so mad that it got to that. Kids want to make their parent's happy and when they see you are disappointed in them, it upsets them, at least that is how my kid's are. They are good kids and I treat them very well but they know when I am upset and disappointed in them and they feel really bad when that happens.
Considering the occasional spanker's here seem to have well behaved, respectful kids....I don't see any harm was done and this whole guilt trip just isn't going to work.
I asked my kids recently if they remember the few times they were spanked and they don't even remember. One of my son's remember one time vaguely. If they were abused or assaulted they would surely remember.
I remember exactly what the belt my mom used looks like all these yrs later. I remember getting hit for stupid things. I remember getting hit a hell of a lot more
then a couple of times. I could call what she did abuse and I remember it well.
I don't think that spanking has anything to do with intelligence. It's not meant to show an adult's superiority in intelligence, no, it's more like showing the child their own physical limit, and the seriousness of the situation, which some of them just aren't capable yet to realise.
There will always be a time when a child will want to try to undermine an adult's authority just to see how far it can get with this behaviour. To test out the limits of both, parents and kid.
And I suggest, that those people who are vehemently trying to redefine the words assault, beating, hitting and spanking would quit it. Spanking is not assault, nor beating, end of story.
There will always be a time when a child will want to try to undermine an adult's authority just to see how far it can get with this behaviour. To test out the limits of both, parents and kid.
And I suggest, that those people who are vehemently trying to redefine the words assault, beating, hitting and spanking would quit it. Spanking is not assault, nor beating, end of story.
Effective for what? To stroke your ego? To take out your frustrations? To use violence as an option?
Spanking may not be about hurting the child, but it is also not about learning anything useful other than using violence is okay. That is the only thing the child learns, that is the only thing you learned by being spanked. And, that is the only thing you'll teach your children if you spank them.
That is exactly how striking another person is defined, whether you like it or not.
Couldn't agree with you more.
I see you checked your good ole' moral Christian views at the door. You teach children to turn the other cheek, while you raise a hand in violence to hit the other cheek.
The hypocrisy of this thread reeks like rotten eggs.
You're right, nothing intelligent about it.
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I dont see it as a good thang that parents get so mad they hit ther kids... do you???
<-That was intended to be retorical->
If you'd had beter control of you'r temper an known beter... you coud have demonstrated you'r disapointment wit-out hittin you'r kids.!!!
You only hit you'r kids a few times... so i thank you did know beter an did have perty good control of you'r temper.!!!
The beter parent will demonstrate disapointment in ther childs behavior wit-out hittin 'em... you hit you'r kids because you was angry... not because they deserved it... a kid never deserves to be hit... but they do deserve a parent who is able to control ther anger.!!!
Look... you screwed up a few times... an after quizzin you'r kids im happy you dont feel terribly guilty (hopefully)... but jus cause you'r kids dont remenber... you surly ant usin that to justify what you did.???
Then you of all people shudnt be promotin parents hittin kids... an if you coud let you'r pride slip a bit an admit you'r hittin was unnecesary... then you woud be totaly free of the guilt you still harbor an coud join the mor enlightned among us an denounce ALL hittin of children.!!!
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Stop taking things out of context, and/or purposefully misinterpreting things. We don't need an other (Q) parrot who just obviously lacks in reading and comprehension skills.
i dont see how you got your reply from my comment..sound like your trying to read abuse into ANY spanking..
i understand there are some ppl who have been abused during their childhood and that abuse was called spanking so now they only associate spanking with violence/abuse..i feel sorry for those ppl who tend to think of things in black and white as the world is gray....
football..wrestling..baseball..basketball..tag...all these can be considered assault by your definition..this is not a black and white issue..if spanking were illegal do you really think it would make a better world? (hypothetical question as i know there ARE some parents out there who SHOULD be banned from spanking)
do you really wanna attempt to make a case about you being morally better than the rest of us?..just cause you call it abuse/violence does not make it so..this is just your interpretation of events and as such needs to be expressed as your opinion and not make it a morality issue as ppl tend to make their own desicions about what is moral and what is not..and that is another thread..(one of which i would not join cause it would just end in flamewars..)
ripleofdeath
Registered Senior Member
I agree.
As much as I ideologically disagree with physical punishment, a few slaps are over in about ten seconds, and then they can get back to their bad behaviour.
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Loud, low-frequency noise is damaging?? I didn't know that...I kind of like a low-pitched "white noise" kind of resonance, like engine noise, it's soothing...
I kinda just tuned in, but I browsed the last few pages and gotta ask...
Is there anyone here who was both spanked as a child AND is against spanking?
It's almost one of those "you had to be there" situations, where one doesn't realize what it's like to be spanked and so assumes it's a horrifying thing. Sure, it seems painful and detrimental to someone who was never spanked, but for those of us that were, I personally think it bettered us.
Again, just tuned in, if I missed somethin, just shut me up
Is there anyone here who was both spanked as a child AND is against spanking?
It's almost one of those "you had to be there" situations, where one doesn't realize what it's like to be spanked and so assumes it's a horrifying thing. Sure, it seems painful and detrimental to someone who was never spanked, but for those of us that were, I personally think it bettered us.
Again, just tuned in, if I missed somethin, just shut me up
My parents never hit me or even hollered at me but I got spanked/slaped by teechers... but i dout that spankin is ever necesary if a parent spends enuff time wit ther kids so they can learn by the good esample set by the parents... an like ive said befor... its dificult to even emagin bein hit by my parents... but
givin the choise... i woud druther raize a child like my parents did an not punish 'em... jus show 'em love an respect an get love an respect in return.!!!
My parents was never a "smart-azz" to me... but i do remenber sassin them a coule of times... but both times i regreated it an had no desire to do it agan.!!!