Spanking Lowers IQ Points

mike47 said:
Psychologists are useless and they interfere in schools, families....etc . I am sure the world was happier before all these psychology theories .
What on earth can a psychologist tell a person that parents can not tell him or tell her . Yes and yes some presidents, prime ministers, army generals were spanked by their parents and they turned to be strong leaders and not squeegee kids and spoiled and rotten !!!.
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Not all parents tell their children good things. Have you never met a person psychologically damaged because of their parents?

you know the study didn't say 100% of kids assaulted by their loving parents have lower IQ points. So why do you think all kids who aren't are spoiled rotten?
 
Orleander said:
and what would that be? Assaulting your kid makes them smarter? :confused:
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I think that the word assault is over the top.

Assaulting your kid is abuse. Spanking them as a last resort in a disciplinary fashion is not abuse and it's intent is to teach a lesson and not to harm.

I mean when are the same psychologists going to say that taking away a toy because they aren't behaving is abusive and that we are damaging them emotionally.

I live next door to a child psychologist who has the most ill behaved kid and who throws fits and gets away with all sorts of crap, and they always say they refuse to spank her because they think it's wrong. They try to reason with her but she is 6. So this kid goes on to embarrass them at stores etc because there is no stick, no repurcussions.

For example, my dad whooped my butt one time when I at the age of 7 decided along with my friend who had stayed the night, to sneak out early in the morning go to 7/11 which was 3 miles away and get some candy.

What was he going to do, talk to me and let me know how that could be bad.

He wanted to make it stick, that what I put my mother through and how worried she was, was selfish and dangerous.

I mean at some point, the issue becomes, what is going to have an impact no pun intended to make sure the point gets accross.

I have spanked my kids 6 and 10, a total of 6 times. I don't expect to ever have to spank the older one again and the younger one thinks it's the end of the world when it got to that point the last time, thus I should not ever have to do it again period.

So I don't consider in anyway what I did as assault. It is punishment, and some situations call for a more serious form.

In the end, the goal is to have a well behaved, well mannered child who repects adults and learns to get along with others.

I also think that there is a line between punishment and abuse. The abusers acts are not about the child it's about something wrong with them.

There is a distinct difference.

My dad used to say, "this is going to hurt me more than it's going to hurt you" as a parent I understand that, it does. And nothing he did, nor anything I have done is even close to abuse.
 
mike47 said:
Psychologists are useless and they interfere in schools, families....etc . I am sure the world was happier before all these psychology theories .
What on earth can a psychologist tell a person that parents can not tell him or tell her . Yes and yes some presidents, prime ministers, army generals were spanked by their parents and they turned to be strong leaders and not squeegee kids and spoiled and rotten !!!.
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Psychologists aren't useless. Like all researchers, it's the one's with specific agendas that ruin it for everybody. If you want to find something you'll find it.
 
Orleander said:
Not all parents tell their children good things. Have you never met a person psychologically damaged because of their parents?

you know the study didn't say 100% of kids assaulted by their loving parents have lower IQ points. So why do you think all kids who aren't are spoiled rotten?
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How about abusing the kid mentally without ever laying a hand on them.

The ones that I know, I don't remember them saying that spanking was the issue. It was the pyschological BS they put them though.

I am sure some abusers do both.
 
Spanking is allowed in China, Vietnam, Africa, India, Pakistan.....etc and etc. Are you saying that all these nations are wrong and have retarded, useless and crazy people ?. They have politicians, scientists, philosophers and some nuts like the rest of the world .
 
Assault is a crime of violence against another person.

Just fyi from WIKI, So do you think it is a crime to spank a child ?
 
In fact these nations have less drug addicts, less alcoholic, less gays , less lesbians and less squegee kids just to name few differences .
 
jpappl said:
Ok, so what is your final warning to your child. What do you do instead of spanking them.
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well. since my kids are smart :D... they get grounded from privileges or things they want. They learned young that I wasn't afraid to march them out of Chuckie Cheese and take them home even though I had just bought the tokens/pizza. I will throw the toys away that they haven't picked up even though I just spent a fortune on them at christmas.
I back up what I say.
 
Really and why ?.
What is acceptable to you is not necessary acceptable to the rest of six billion humans .
 
mike47 said:
Spanking is allowed in China, Vietnam, Africa, India, Pakistan.....etc and etc. Are you saying that all these nations are wrong and have retarded, useless and crazy people ?. They have politicians, scientists, philosophers and some nuts like the rest of the world .
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Yes, these countries have many nut jobs. Are you holding these countries up as shining examples? Why not toss North Korea and Canada in there as well.
 
Orleander said:
well. since my kids are smart :D... they get grounded from privileges or things they want. They learned young that I wasn't afraid to march them out of Chuckie Cheese and take them home even though I had just bought the tokens/pizza. I will throw the toys away that they haven't picked up even though I just spent a fortune on them at christmas.
I back up what I say.
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That last part sounds like emotional abuse LOL.

My kids are smart too, my oldest past the WASL with flying colors in all areas and she is sharp as a tack.

I do the same types of things you mentioned, and if you consider that I have spanked her a total of 4 times in her life and haven't had to for 2 years and don't expect to ever again, I don't see that as being abuse.

I guess the spanking part was backing what I said as well.
 
Orleander said:
Yes, these countries have many nut jobs. Are you holding these countries up as shining examples? Why not toss North Korea and Canada in there as well.
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Canada is the envy of the world . Bill Clinton the horny guy said once " people kill to live in Canada ". That was in his speech of August 2009 .
 
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