Spanking Lowers IQ Points

NMSquirrel said:
post 283 and sorry it was Q that started it..you just agreed with her
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I only agreed with part of what he said, the bolded part.

I do think people want to stick to their guns on this matter because they don't want to admit their parents assaulted them. They don't want to admit they assault their own kids.
I know people have a hard time with that word, but I strongly see it as assault. I don't hit my husband, my parents, my co-workers, or my children. How can anyone assault someone who would have no recourse?
Would you hit a misbehaving mentally disabled teen with the developmental skills of a 4 yr old?
 
Orleander said:
What 1 person sees a few dogs do is in no way a scientific study.
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I know it isn't. It is entirely anecdotal.

However, the positive outcomes I have obtained in spite of being rough with my animals during their exercise presents a curiosity. Perhaps a logical explanation for this phenomenon would be the neuroprotective effects of endorphin or the positive effects of endogenous enkephalin receptor ligands on learning and memory. It would also explain why youths can endure minor injuries during sports without suffering from pronounced detrimental effects, but that would be extrapolating rather far.
 
Orleander said:
I only agreed with part of what he said, the bolded part.

I do think people want to stick to their guns on this matter because they don't want to admit their parents assaulted them. They don't want to admit they assault their own kids.
I know people have a hard time with that word, but I strongly see it as assault. I don't hit my husband, my parents, my co-workers, or my children. How can anyone assault someone who would have no recourse?
Would you hit a misbehaving mentally disabled teen with the developmental skills of a 4 yr old?
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again with the assault = spanking..it is not the same..goback and read over the other posts..the 'don't admit' part is completly uninformed as plenty of ppl have posted admitting their own parents spanked them..some were considered abusive and others were considered necessary and appropriate..

as far as the teen...i would vote a firm NO after a certain age it becomes detrimental to spank anyone..it only work to establish authority to those kids who do not respect a parents authority, (notice it is not an all inclusive statment) after a certain age if authority is not respected..it will never be..and any disciplinary action will be ineffactive and detrimental..

this does not include the children that does respect a parents authority and does what they are asked..these are the blessings.and i would hope you would never have to deal with the kids that need to be spanked..

another thought would be for those argueing against spanking being needed..apply for the T.V. show 'Wife Swap' and see if you can deal with an out of control kid without having a desire to spank them....

Clueless.. i think you would succeed in that respect....
 
ah, but having the desire too isn't the same as doing. Some days I have the desire to bury my children's bodies in the basement. LOL

I'm the adult. I'm the grown up. I do not give in to my baser need to dominate my children who are smaller, younger, and stupider than me through physical force. Children learn by example, and assaulting them is a bad example.
 
Orleander said:
oh, thank you. :thankyou: I had hoped you would come around to seeing it my way. :)
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um..i was talking about clueless.....

and for the record oleander (read other posts) i have only spanked my daughter twice in her life, now being older/wiser in hindsight only once did she deserve it..and if i had it to do over again i would try other approaches..as i have learned alot more since then..but i have seen enough other kids to say some do need to be spanked..
 
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NMSquirrel said:
um..i was talking about clueless.....

and for the record oleander (read other posts) i have only spanked my daughter twice in her life, now being older/wiser in hindsight only once did she deserve it..and if i had it to do over again i would try other approaches..as i have learned alot more since then..but i have seen enough other kids to say some do need to be spanked..
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Ooops.
 
Orleander said:
and so the person who accuses me of insulting resorts to....what? Were you complementing me? Were you talking about the subject at hand?
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i was complimenting Clueless husband...

and you responded during an edit of that post..i added more to it..
 
Orleander said:
if you are purposely bumping people, yes. If its an accident, no. Are you saying people accidentally assault their child?

And toddlers are notoriously bad decision makers. Teenagers as well. Assaulting them doesn't make them better decision makers. Brain growth helps, but assaulting them doesn't.
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It's the intent, correct.

And the intent is not to harm the child but to create a boundary that they must learn not to pass. All forms of discipline do that and when each form fails, you move on to something else that will get them to understand, correct.

So when you exhaust these other options then what ?

Let the kid just get away with it.

The big disagreement I have, is I don't feel spanking a child as a disciplinary action when all other viable options have run out and understanding that they need boundaries is assault. The intent is not there. There is a huge difference between the intent to spank a child for discipline and abuse.

That is why spanking your kid hurts like hell, because you didn't want to have to go there. It always has for me and I understand just how my dad felt when he was in that situation.

He used to say this is going to hurt me more than it's going to hurt you, as a parent I realize he was right.

It's not assault.
 
NMSquirrel said:
...now being older/wiser in hindsight only once did she deserve it..and if i had it to do over again i would try other approaches..as i have learned alot more since then..but i have seen enough other kids to say some do need to be spanked..
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I applaud your effort and candor. :)
I also see children that I think "If that kid were mine, he would be dead where he stands" But it begins when they are young and parents have to make a consistent effort. I see so many parents doing what is easy. Its easy to either give the kid what they want (rewarding bad behaviour), ignoring what they do and letting them run like banshees through the store, or assaulting them. That's all easy.
Its hard to make rules and stand behind them. Its hard to ground your child for a week and stand firm on it.
 
jpappl said:
...So when you exhaust these other options then what ? ...
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you can never ever exhaust grounding from items or privilages. Ever.

What do you do when smacking with a hand doesn't work? You move on to hitting them with an object. You move on to hitting them harder. You want to hurt them because that is what the punishment is about. Physical pain. Its assault
 
Orleander said:
I also see children that I think "If that kid were mine, he would be dead where he stands" But it begins when they are young and parents have to make a consistent effort. I see so many parents doing what is easy. Its easy to either give the kid what they want (rewarding bad behaviour), ignoring what they do and letting them run like banshees through the store, or assaulting them. That's all easy.
Its hard to make rules and stand behind them. Its hard to ground your child for a week and stand firm on it.
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i would have to agree with you on that point..
 
Orleander said:
You want to hurt them because that is what the punishment is about. Physical pain. Its assault
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spanking is not about hurting the child..you can use a empty paper towel roll (cardboard.. lots of noise..no actual harm) not hurt them one bit and it would be effective

and again with assault=spanking....
 
NMSquirrel said:
spanking is not about hurting the child..you can use a empty paper towel roll (cardboard.. lots of noise..no actual harm) not hurt them one bit and it would be effective

and again with assault=spanking....
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and how many parents do you know that spank their kids with a paper towel roll?
 
Orleander said:
you can never ever exhaust grounding from items or privilages. Ever.

What do you do when smacking with a hand doesn't work? You move on to hitting them with an object. You move on to hitting them harder. You want to hurt them because that is what the punishment is about. Physical pain. Its assault
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No, it's never, ever needed to go past it. Thats the point.

Also, your above point is why only 6 times total for 2 kids. They did lose alot, and when they continued to protest then they were warned, and after that, they got spanked. And that was it.

If physical pain to a child is assault, then we can't have babies without transporting them out of the womb.

Again, it's the intent here and that is to do more good with the action even though the action is difficult or painful.

Do you get your kids shots, vaccinations, take them to the dentist.

They jab, poke and apparently assault them there as well.

Having a baby is assault. I am going to start and movement, we can't have anymore children because we are causing them pain which is assault and therefore can not be justified.

I mean my daughter got pulled out by her head with a f*cking suction cup attached to it, wtf.
 
physical pain is not assault. Purposely inflicting physical pain is assault. Spanking is all about the pain. If its not, why not ground them?
 
Orleander said:
physical pain is not assault. Purposely inflicting physical pain is assault. Spanking is all about the pain. If its not, why not ground them?
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again..spanking is not about hurting the child..although many parents do make it about that...

to try to be clearer..

not all kids need to be spanked..
not all parents need to spank their kids..
not all parents can use spanking as a tool..
spanking is only appropriate for SOME kids..
spanking is not about hurting a kid..
spanking is NOT a default punishment..
spanking as a tool is not assault..
some parents Need to be banned from spanking..
some parents need to spank their kids..
 
NMSquirrel said:
...i have seen enough other kids to say some do need to be spanked..
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I was at a after funeral dinner about 7 mounthes ago... an for a couple of minutes ther was a 2 year old runnin aroun hollerin-havin a grate time... an the gran mother of that child said that shes mean an needs a good "But-whoopin"... that gran mother disgusted me... but you dont so much... i supose its cause the ignerent remark from the gran mother was in person :shrug:

jpappl said:
...spanking your kid hurts like hell, because you didn't want to have to go there.
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You dont have to hurt like hell... you dont have to go thar... hittin a kid is never the bes way to go.!!!

You spankers ant likely to change you'r ways... but others who read this thread mite be influenced not to hit ther kids... i like to thank so.!!!
 
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