Spanking Lowers IQ Points

I admit I was pretty lucky. My kids were never that crazy, and usually listened and learned quite quickly right from wrong.

I am sure that some parents discipline their children and do everything right and the kid is still a brat. Some kids definitely are a lot more work then others.

I still go back to parents spending less and less time with their kids though. I don't think it helps the situation. With the longer maternity leaves, parents should be taking full advantage of staying home with their kids. Their are parents though who have a baby and 2 months later they are throwing them in daycare. When all possible I think a parent should stay home through the baby/toddler yrs. If you are leaving a child in daycare from 7am-6pm everyday you are just letting strangers raise your child IMO. I never had my kids in daycare and although it took some sacrifice, I think it was well worth it.

I agree and I think there is no one answer for all kids. They really can vary. My daughter was and still is really tough, and I wouldn't want it any other way, although she took more push-back. She has had many times more time-outs then my son. She is pretty relentless, I think it will serve her well in the future.

My son takes disciplinary action more personal and is far less likely to re-offend.

I think daycare is fine as long as it's not a replacement of the parent. We tried to balance some daycare when they were 3-6 and it was a way to socialize them as we didn't have a lot of kids in the neighborhood and they had to learn to adjust to a different environment.

I actually wanted to do it because I was concerned that they didn't have enough interaction and I didn't want to wait until kindergarden to start.

Fortunately we had grandparents that could fill in as well. Which really helped balance things.
 
Mine both needed a couple of swats to the butt when toddlers. I have never needed to smack them since then.

As if you needed to then :)

BAD BAD MOMMY!!! Throw me in jail for assault! :crazy:

Look... i dont thank you'r a bad MOMMY... im guessin you'r in the top 5% of good MOMMYS... i thank you'r jus tryin to justify the times you did hit you'r kids to ease you'r guilt... but ether way... souns like you'r kids are doin grate so its nuthin to wory about... but to bad all MOMMYS ant as good as you an only hit ther kids a few times.!!!

...if they kept it up, then they would get a spanking. The choice is theirs, they have to learn there are consequences.

I suspect the reason "they kept it up" is cause they gave bak the lack of respect you gave them.!!!

Letting them grow up without teaching them to have some self control would be.

How many times you gonna knock down that strawman... lol.!!!
 
As a kid I was hit a lot by my mom. I got hit for stupid things I wouldn't even think of hitting my kids for. I did not want to follow in the same footsteps when I had kids and I didn't. My relationship with her wasn't very good and at 17 I got a full time job and moved out of the house and we didn't talk for almost a yr. I didn't want that kind of relationship with my kids and I don't.

Just because you were abused, or had a parent as a drunk or whatever hellish childhood you had doesn't mean you need to repeat it. You should take it as a challenge to raise your own kids how you think or would have liked to have been raised yourself.

I think too many ppl use it as an excuse to repeat the cycle.
 
“ Originally Posted by jpappl
...if they kept it up, then they would get a spanking. The choice is theirs, they have to learn there are consequences. ”

I suspect the reason "they kept it up" is cause they gave bak the lack of respect you gave them.!!!

Who is the f8cking parent Clueless ? That is our job. I am not disrespecting my kids by disciplining them. So they kept it up until the spanking in those few cases, and then they stopped. So it worked. It was in my view a necessary step in those situations and I don't regret it and have nothing to say I am sorry for.

They know they went over the line and they have to learn there are consequences. It's that simple. They are not in charge at 3 years old. They need to have boundaries, in fact if you knew anything about working with kids and young adults is they crave boundaries and they need to be consistent and fair accross the board so they know the rules.

We aren't talking about beating kids over nothing, we aren't talking about beating kids period. We are talking about a few spankings in their life that were deemed necessary to provide that boundary.

“ Letting them grow up without teaching them to have some self control would be. ”

How many times you gonna knock down that strawman... lol.!!!

LOL. It's true though.
 
When you hit them as toddlers... you reckin they was able to comprehind that they wasnt bein hit for stoopid reasons.???

I think they were smart enough to realize they got a smack on the butt because they beyond reasoning and were acting out of control. I explained to them later when they were calm exactly why I smacked them and I didn't want to see that behavior again. Toddlers/young kids are smart enough to put 2 and 2 together especially if you explain it to them.

I think some of you don't give them enough credit. They are extremely smart little buggers and know exactly how to get what they want or wrap you around their fingers.
 
I think they were smart enough to realize they got a smack on the butt because they beyond reasoning and were acting out of control.

As smart as they seem about other thangs at times... i thank som parents dont "get-it" that ther child-rearin is responsibe for ther children bein "out of control".!!!

I explained to them later when they were calm exactly why I smacked them and I didn't want to see that behavior again.

That they was "out of control" to begin wit demonstrates that you had alredy "misssed the boat" :shrug:

Toddlers/young kids are smart enough to put 2 and 2 together especially if you explain it to them.

Its not jus about esplainations... the good esample needs to start from day 1... an hittin a kid cause ther behavin esactly like theyv'e been traned to mis-behave... is at bes... plane 'ol ignerence/lazzyness.!!!

I think some of you don't give them enough credit. They are extremely smart little buggers and know exactly how to get what they want or wrap you around their fingers.

You'r rite about 'em bein smart... an cavin in to ther manipulaton for even a short period of time an youv'e got a kid thats gonna mis-behave when all the sudden they dont get ther way... an after the perplexed parent hits 'em... they mite even atempt to convience the kid that they deserved the punishment they jus received.!!!
 
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As smart as they seem about other thangs at times... i thank som parents dont "get-it" that ther child-rearin is responsibe for ther children bein "out of control".!!!

I totally disagree with you. Young children will push the envelope at one time or another to see how far they can go. My kids were behaved but one day my one decided to freak out because I wouldn't buy him something. He actually picked this one up from other children who were having tantrums in stores. He was always quite good but I guess decided he would pull the same tactic these other kids were, maybe in his mind it might work. The problem was I was not an idiot like these other parent's caving into a 3 yr old and rewarding terrible behavior with toys. We left the store and got home and he was still acting up to the point he just wasn't listening to word I was saying. My words just weren't getting through this time but the smack on his butt, sure meant MOMMY isn't fooling around here, she means business.

He NEVER acted that way again. He never pulled a stunt like that in the store again. No meant no and even if he was upset and maybe shed a few tears he never had a tantrum like that.

You think I am trying to rationalize all this because I feel guilty for a few smacks I gave my kids when they were little. I don't feel guilty at all, but believe me, it hurt me probably more then them. I love my kids very much and disciplining them by taking things away they like or grounding them never makes me feel good. If I didn't do those things sometimes though, they would just think they could get away with anything. There are rules in this house and I expect them to follow them.


BTW: Do you even have kids? If so how old are they....
 
Ahhhh, it feels good to see some people in here who are REAL parents, and do actually have experience with kids, and their psyche.

shorty_37:
young children will push the envelope at one time or another to see how far they can go.
Agreed.
 
Young children will push the envelope at one time or another to see how far they can go.

How often an hard they push is determined by how they are raized... som parents control un-esceptable behavior thru consistent love an respect... som parents hit ther kids :shrug:

My kids were behaved but one day my one decided to freak out because I wouldn't buy him something. He actually picked this one up from other children who were having tantrums in stores.

So its the fault of those "bad" children that you'r "behaved" child acted up... an none of the responsibility belongs to you :rolleyes:

he was still acting up to the point he just wasn't listening to word I was saying. My words just weren't getting through this time but the smack on his butt, sure meant MOMMY isn't fooling around here, she means business.

Jus like mos parents who hit ther kids... you take little to no responsibility for his un-exceptable behavior :shrug:

I love my kids very much and disciplining them by taking things away they like or grounding them never makes me feel good.

The love i thank you have for you'r kids bout gives me goose bumps... if all parents raized ther kids as good as you the world wooud be a much beter place... but a diference wit my parents was... ther was no emphasis on "disciplin"... my parents gave me guidence for proper behavior based on respect... not by hittin me or takin away my stuff or groundin me an they never hollered at me... an my decent behavior cam from ther love respect an guidence... never from fear of what punishment they mite inflict on me.!!!

I thank ther method is bes an will work wit any child... all spankin is unnecesary an som spankin is definately harmful... an i suggest the less parents hit ther kids the beter.!!!

No i dont have kids.!!!
Befor me an my wife got married we didnt discuss kids... an we didnt discuss havin kids after we got married till about 5 years later... an "luckly" for both of us... nether 1 of us had a desire for kids so it worked out grate.!!!
 
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You, and (Q) are insulting me

Being in denial would make you believe that.

(Q), and ripleofdeath's claims are all unsubstantiated, and more than naive.

Yes, that's why they have gobs of websites along with seminars and conferences dealing with this issue, like the International Conference on Violence, Abuse and Trauma I linked above.

Who's naive here?

After all, they seem to think that getting hit once turns people into monsters who walk around with a belt, and are always up for a belting.

Your penchant for exaggerating is getting quite tedious and boring.

Interestingly, one of my friends who had an abusive dad, REAL abusive, who would thrash her pretty badly for anything anytime has become a parent herself a few years ago, and honestly, she is one of the most caring mums I know.

"I'll never ever use violence against my children. I don't want to become like my dad."

So, she woke up and understands, unlike you, the problem and doesn't want to pass the violence along to her children.

You too could wake up.
 
Frankly, I didn't put up with it because I was taught in school that child abuse is wrong. I fought back with full-blown punches, and I showed absolutely no restraint. An abuser is a piece of shit, and they will never admit that they are wrong.

Corporal punishment is entirely about power and control. Abusive parents like to see their children flinch and cower when they reach for their belt-buckles. This reaction is due to a sudden fluctuation of cortisol, which is a glucocortocid we find in the adrenal cortex. Cortisol regulates norepinephrine, which is essentially the "fight hormone," in a negative feedback loop. As a consequence, a child who suffers from chronically elevated cortisol levels, which can be brought on by abuse, is less likely than a non-abused child to offer backchat or retaliation against their abuser.

If you are uninclined to take my word on that, then do find other posts to offer your responses to. They taught this in high school while your head warmed the desks. I am in no mood for bullshit today.

For you fellows who have spent some time in college, you may have learned that cortisol depletes intelligence. Ahhhhh, not always accurate. Fortunately, I had a very wise instructor one semester, and he explained to us that the correct levels of this hormone tend to be associated with high IQs. I forget why, but I still have the dude's e-mail address. I could probably find out for you in a few hours if it's a weekday.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080314085041.htm

If this squirrel study accurately represents our children, then it correlates with the proposition that corporal punishment can damage a child's IQ. The use of force in the direction of children should not cross the line into abuse. What this means is that spanking is entirely unnecessary. Children can be guided just as easily with nudges, and they are perfectly capable of getting the point without being beaten to the point of uncontrollable tears.

On the other hand, cortisol can bring you closer to your sexual partner.

http://www.newser.com/story/54840/spankings-stressful-but-sm-brings-couples-closer.html

In fact, one of the reasons that people who suffer from low intelligence and a high risk of obesity tend to have higher rates of fertility is probably due to the fact that cortisol suppresses the immune system. One of the effects of this is to make the uterus more receptive to implantation. After all, if a woman's immune system is functioning normally, she will not be very receptive at all to implantation. The blastocyst is more likely to be treated as a pathogen. On the other hand, cortisol can also negatively affect our secretion of progesterone, which is also necessary for successful fertilization, and obesity has been linked with infertility.

Now, if you are like me and naturally have very low cortisol levels, you can get around this by indulging in some mild S&M play. By deliberately undermining your immune system during the act of conception, you are making yourself much more open to fertilization. As the study suggests, your cortisol levels should fall back to normal later on, and it will bring you closer to your partner. You can make jokes about this to your heart's content, but my reasoning here is fairly sound.

The key difference between your sexual partner and your children, though, is that you are not trying to get your children pregnant, so quit beating your kids, douchebag. You are lucky the kid doesn't clock you on your jaw for that bullshit.
 
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No i dont have kids.!!!

I find it ironic that so many ppl who don't have kids of their own act like they are such experts in raising them. Until you have them, you will never actually know what you might or might not do. You can talk all you want about what you think you will do but you never know what your child may end up doing and what you will do to solve the problem. You don't know if you would be lucky enough to have kids like me that were pretty easy to raise or a little Damien from the Omen ;).
Parenting is a learning experience and sometimes we make mistakes too. Sometimes we let our emotions get the best of us and we may yell a little louder then we should at the kids, be a little too rough on them....etc.

At the end of the day though, I think I am a really good mother and my kids love me and respect me and others around them. They are mannerly and not unruly but far from perfect either ( well the younger one is lol) the 13 yr old..raging hormones and all that stuff is stressing me out somewhat. I will have to deal with it though, just like every other bump in the road.

I don't have much more to say on the whole topic because it has been discussed over and over. I will say that I don't condone parents whipping, hitting their children on a regular basis. But there are all kinds of parents abusing their kids out there. Neglecting them and sitting on the computer day and night, drinking and passing out drunk, staying in abusive relationships with a partner for the kids to witness regularly....I could go on and on.

I think a few smacks on the butt in a lifetime is nothing to feel guilty about, and it should definately not be used in the context that Orleander loves to use.... ASSAULT.
 
Stating the obvious

Shorty 37 said:

I think a few smacks on the butt in a lifetime is nothing to feel guilty about, and it should definately not be used in the context that Orleander loves to use.... ASSAULT.

And I think some unconscionable people will reach for any excuse to hit their kids.
 
slapping on the buttocks = beating? abuse? didn't know that. Or am I misunderstanding the term "spanking"?

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I find it ironic that so many ppl who don't have kids of their own act like they are such experts in raising them.
I do not have children, but I have raised animals. According to my own experiences, animals should not be struck physically unless you are going through bonding activities with that animal. If you are playing a ball game with a large-breed, for example, feel free to give the animal a ham-fisted clock on the jaw. You will only damage him physically. In spite of my joke, the only reaction I have observed to being struck during play is that the animal will often become obsessed with the kind of event in which this occurred.

This does not mean that physical touches are useless in guiding an animal. Firm, unyielding nudges are effective. Be advised that you should never, under any circumstances, flinch away from a nip because this can cause the animal to start fighting you when you attempt to give direction. You should concentrate on putting the animal in situations in which it cannot affect its situation by fighting you. You must instill the message that fighting against you can only result in further indignities.

The reason you should never strike the animal as a show of anger, though, is that your puppy will eventually become a dog. What a dog does to a master that used to abuse him is eventually begin snapping at his fingers. When the animal observes that you cower away when snapped at, he will not let go of his advantage ever again. In fact, you will eventually find yourself in a situation in which you cannot control your animal at all. This is not a very pleasant experience, and I can vouch for that. My scars can vouch for it.

Again, you can get away with clocking your animal on the jaw outright if it happens during bonding activities. This is because there is an essential difference between striking your animal during bonding time and striking your animal out of anger. One only adds energy and excitement to the play, even though it hurts physically. The other eventually results in retaliation. Although animals we keep as pets are not precisely the same thing as children, their emotions tend to run the same.
 
I find it ironic that so many ppl who don't have kids of their own act like they are such experts in raising them.

O you shudnt knock my advice to much... the mane thang we differ on is... i dont thank you'r kids needed to be hit... an you do :shrug:

BTW---A couple of years after i was married i was layed off for about 6 mounthes an i baby set a kin folks 1 1/2 to 2 year old little girl for about 9 houres a day... an it was mentaly dranin but under my care she never needed punishment... she was absolutely perfect... but under her parents care they hollered at her an smacked her hand so she woudnt touch certan stuff.!!!

Yes it took time an effort on my part... but the diference in her behavior wit me an her parents was like nite an day.!!!

I put valuable an delicate an dangerous thangs out of her reach an let her esplore... an once let her dump a box of Cherry O's on the floor an let her play wit the mess till she was tired of it... i didnt say anythang i jus watched her satisfy her qurosity.!!!

When she woud eat spegetti-O's her hole face woud get smeared wit the sauce... an then i woud give her a cloth an she woud try an wipe her face an then i woud finish it up... lol.!!!

Her parents requested that i not use the vaccume cleaner when she was thar cause the noise scared her very bad... ha... 1 day i desided to check out her fear of vaccumes... an when i got it out of the closet she ran over an climed up on the couch lookin nervus... but after a reletively short time of me gettin her used to bein aroun the vac when it wasnt on... an then showin her how the vaccume picked up scraps of paper off the carpet... then she woud also try to use the vaccume (wit my help) an no longer feared vaccumes... her parents was impressed :)
 
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