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We live near the sea, and were almost cleaned out by a bushfire...
We live near the sea, and were almost cleaned out by a bushfire...
Southern California on Fire
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Bells
Staff member
Could it be because so far the government is helping those affected by the fire when in New Orleans they did not? Funny that eh?
The fire still burns and the way it looks, you have pretty much zero chance to controlling it unless the weather is kind to you.
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
http://rpc.senate.gov/_files/ENVIRORESOURCESev0312030.pdf
Needed: A Common-Sense Approach
to Protecting Our Nation’s Forests
Executive Summary
• More than 190 million acres of federal forest land are in declining health due to
overgrowth, disease, insect infestation, and weather-related damage and, as a result,
also are susceptible to catastrophic wildfires. The Nation’s forests are among our most
treasured natural resources. The health of those forests is a safety issue for millions of
Americans who live in or near them, but more than that, it is essential to assuring a
diverse ecosystem of plants and animals that can survive for generations to come.1
• The tools are readily available to restore our forests to healthy conditions.
Improving forest health through thinning smaller trees, reduction of overgrowth, removal
of dead and dying trees, and prescribed burning to further reduce unwanted fuels can help
return our forests to “pre-settlement conditions.” This will assure that: a diverse
ecosystem of plants and animals will survive for generations to come; air and water
quality are improved; recreation opportunities and scenic beauty are preserved and
enhanced; and that the threat of catastrophic wildfires is reduced.2
• Obstacles – in the form of environmental extremists – are impeding timely
treatment of our forests. Administrative appeal of restoration projects and litigation to
prevent federal forest managers from conducting forest health projects have drastically
slowed the effort to restore forest health. Policymakers and lawmakers should
concentrate on removing administrative and legal impediments to forest health restoration effort.
Despite the widespread understanding that our forests are at risk, some environmental
groups literally have formed human roadblocks to stop efforts by federal land managers to restore
forest health. Appeals and lawsuits filed by environmental groups for projects throughout the
nation, large and small, now represent the greatest risk to federal forests.
Enhancing Plant, Fish and Animal Habitats and Increasing Diversity
Some observers, claiming to speak in the name of “environmental protection,” advocate
limiting the use of thinning to the so-called Wildland-Urban Interface, where developed
communities abut federal forest lands. Dr. Covington suggests that concentrating on those
regions alone – while useful in protecting homes, farms, ranches, and people – does little to
address the health threat to entire forest ecosystem, including the habitats of birds, fish, and other
animals. Left untreated, the vast interior of our valuable forests will not be a welcoming place
for some of nature’s diverse species:
“Another reason that attention cannot be narrowly focused on a ring around the city is
because it will fail to address one of the most contentious issues of our time, the
protection of endangered species. . . . By not restoring the forest, we contribute to the
decline of habitat and the collision between society and nature.” 8
On the other side of this coin is a critical benefit yielded by forest thinning: a dramatic
increase in species diversity. According to Secretary of the Interior Gail Norton, catastrophic
fires in overly dense forests pose a threat to many threatened and endangered species, and
removal of small trees and undergrowth will benefit ecosystem health: she notes that the U.S.
Fish and Wildlife Service estimates that 46 species of forest birds, including 13 species of great
concern to wildlife biologists, will benefit from better management of the forests.9
Needed: A Common-Sense Approach
to Protecting Our Nation’s Forests
Executive Summary
• More than 190 million acres of federal forest land are in declining health due to
overgrowth, disease, insect infestation, and weather-related damage and, as a result,
also are susceptible to catastrophic wildfires. The Nation’s forests are among our most
treasured natural resources. The health of those forests is a safety issue for millions of
Americans who live in or near them, but more than that, it is essential to assuring a
diverse ecosystem of plants and animals that can survive for generations to come.1
• The tools are readily available to restore our forests to healthy conditions.
Improving forest health through thinning smaller trees, reduction of overgrowth, removal
of dead and dying trees, and prescribed burning to further reduce unwanted fuels can help
return our forests to “pre-settlement conditions.” This will assure that: a diverse
ecosystem of plants and animals will survive for generations to come; air and water
quality are improved; recreation opportunities and scenic beauty are preserved and
enhanced; and that the threat of catastrophic wildfires is reduced.2
• Obstacles – in the form of environmental extremists – are impeding timely
treatment of our forests. Administrative appeal of restoration projects and litigation to
prevent federal forest managers from conducting forest health projects have drastically
slowed the effort to restore forest health. Policymakers and lawmakers should
concentrate on removing administrative and legal impediments to forest health restoration effort.
Despite the widespread understanding that our forests are at risk, some environmental
groups literally have formed human roadblocks to stop efforts by federal land managers to restore
forest health. Appeals and lawsuits filed by environmental groups for projects throughout the
nation, large and small, now represent the greatest risk to federal forests.
Enhancing Plant, Fish and Animal Habitats and Increasing Diversity
Some observers, claiming to speak in the name of “environmental protection,” advocate
limiting the use of thinning to the so-called Wildland-Urban Interface, where developed
communities abut federal forest lands. Dr. Covington suggests that concentrating on those
regions alone – while useful in protecting homes, farms, ranches, and people – does little to
address the health threat to entire forest ecosystem, including the habitats of birds, fish, and other
animals. Left untreated, the vast interior of our valuable forests will not be a welcoming place
for some of nature’s diverse species:
“Another reason that attention cannot be narrowly focused on a ring around the city is
because it will fail to address one of the most contentious issues of our time, the
protection of endangered species. . . . By not restoring the forest, we contribute to the
decline of habitat and the collision between society and nature.” 8
On the other side of this coin is a critical benefit yielded by forest thinning: a dramatic
increase in species diversity. According to Secretary of the Interior Gail Norton, catastrophic
fires in overly dense forests pose a threat to many threatened and endangered species, and
removal of small trees and undergrowth will benefit ecosystem health: she notes that the U.S.
Fish and Wildlife Service estimates that 46 species of forest birds, including 13 species of great
concern to wildlife biologists, will benefit from better management of the forests.9
the fires have already caused more damage then katrina
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
The other thing is that the Governor of California did things the right why, he ordered the evacuation, he got the people out, he implemented the disaster plan, and requested help just like he was suppose to, to allow the Federal Government to start the assistance flowing into California, he didn't wait like Ray Nagin with his finger up his ass, doing the democratic press spin, and let his constituents drowned, as was done in New Orleans, in the 9 ward, and Governor Blanco not even knowing what her responsibility was in the Emergency Plan, and how to request aid from the federal government.
For as screwed up as California is it still doesn't hold a candle to the corruption in Louisiana, with the Levee Boards, the sweet heart building contracts, and kick backs that are the heart of the Levee Disaster that came with Hurricane Katrina.
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, did a out standing job, and he deserves all the credit in the world for knowing his job and what was required.
Posse Comitatus Act.
For as screwed up as California is it still doesn't hold a candle to the corruption in Louisiana, with the Levee Boards, the sweet heart building contracts, and kick backs that are the heart of the Levee Disaster that came with Hurricane Katrina.
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, did a out standing job, and he deserves all the credit in the world for knowing his job and what was required.
Posse Comitatus Act.
!?
Essentially repealed.bufalo said:
That's because these "land managers" wanted to "restore forest health" by private logging of the forests involved, using government paid roads and government subsidies.buffalo said:
Actual forest health initiatives - natural schedule burns, road removal and restrictions, etc - have not been opposed by most environmentalists.
And these California fires have little to do with that scene anyway.
my thoguhts go out to all the people who live in this area of california and who are affected by the fires... i wish them and their families the best when the fires go out.
I will differ from talking about the politics etc until later on
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cheers
zak
I will differ from talking about the politics etc until later on
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cheers
zak
Just get out of the way and raise a glass to Mother Nature
While we all run around to blame liberals or conservatives:
And people laughed at Pink Gilmour. It's easy to laugh when we don't want to believe. She will take it back, indeed.
Or should we go with something a little lighter, something we're supposed to laugh at? Robin Williams: "Get those condos off my back!"
You know, when I was working for an insurance company, I was disgusted that they would cite hailstorms as a challenge to revenue while spending excessively on marketing. (The company is hanging tough, its workforce, book, and territory are declining, but at least they have their name on a ballpark.) To the other, though, I don't know what to tell those companies that are currently losing billions, having insured these homes in one of nature's feistier corners of the Americas.
Of course, since the executives will get fat while the companies die, it's the employees who will be hurt. A couple of big disasters like this could really unsettle the way of things in this country.
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Notes:
While we all run around to blame liberals or conservatives:
And people laughed at Pink Gilmour. It's easy to laugh when we don't want to believe. She will take it back, indeed.
Or should we go with something a little lighter, something we're supposed to laugh at? Robin Williams: "Get those condos off my back!"
You know, when I was working for an insurance company, I was disgusted that they would cite hailstorms as a challenge to revenue while spending excessively on marketing. (The company is hanging tough, its workforce, book, and territory are declining, but at least they have their name on a ballpark.) To the other, though, I don't know what to tell those companies that are currently losing billions, having insured these homes in one of nature's feistier corners of the Americas.
Of course, since the executives will get fat while the companies die, it's the employees who will be hurt. A couple of big disasters like this could really unsettle the way of things in this country.
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Notes:
Walsh, Bryan. "The Fire This Time". Time.com. October 25, 2007. See http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1675380,00.html
I am sure baron blames swarz-a-nigger for these fires, because i noticed he brought up black new orleans.
why dont the fire men get a few 200 miles hoses, i am sure baron has a few in his garage, plug them into the sea & let rip at these fires that way, the sea level will go down & we wont have to worry about the artic melting anymore.
And arnold the gov. is into all themz new fangled green ideas, unlike bush fire at the whitehouse.
What about all these hollywood stars tom cruise, richard gere, haley comet berries, there all saying we got a house there at mala-boo & we are all with our neighbours, trouble is there 3000 miles away hiding in europe, is that just a coincidence?
now there saying the fires were started on purpose, but by who?
How about haley berry she has had a few turkey's at the box office recently, maybe she is doing a insurance job on her mali-boo beach house, that would fit into barons idea of blaming swarz-a-nigger too.
why dont the fire men get a few 200 miles hoses, i am sure baron has a few in his garage, plug them into the sea & let rip at these fires that way, the sea level will go down & we wont have to worry about the artic melting anymore.
And arnold the gov. is into all themz new fangled green ideas, unlike bush fire at the whitehouse.
What about all these hollywood stars tom cruise, richard gere, haley comet berries, there all saying we got a house there at mala-boo & we are all with our neighbours, trouble is there 3000 miles away hiding in europe, is that just a coincidence?
now there saying the fires were started on purpose, but by who?
How about haley berry she has had a few turkey's at the box office recently, maybe she is doing a insurance job on her mali-boo beach house, that would fit into barons idea of blaming swarz-a-nigger too.
The bible did talk about fire somehwere. Cant be a coincidence.......
Shoot all criminals?