Southern California on Fire

Buffalo Roam said:
Actually much of the fire problems stem from the extreme environmental policies that don't allow for the removal of built up dead brush, and trees;
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hey there smokey buffalo
is that what happened here in socal?

extreme wild eyed left wing loons legislating...drop that twig or i will shoot
 
buffalo said:
Actually much of the fire problems stem from the extreme environmental policies that don't allow for the removal of built up dead brush, and trees;
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In the US, natural burn programs for fuel load reduction are promoted by the environmentalists, and opposed by corporate interests and owners of scenic estates. The extreme environmentalists would have been burning the canyons and landscapes of SoCal on a schedule, to imitate the natural fire regime - but the kinds of people who own fancy houses in the woods wouldn't have it.

There was an interview on the radio this morning with a guy who was fighting a fire near his brother's house, and had saved it. His own house was nearby, but it was pretty safe - because he had cleared the brush on his property. There is nothing stopping some Californians, at least, from clearing the brush and fuel load from their own yards and neighborhoods. They just don't do it.

bells said:
You make a good point. We had a similar issue here in Australia.
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The issue is a bit different in Australia, because essentially the whole landscape has been regularly and deliberately burned by people for more than 20,000 years. The whole place is fire adapted to a greater degree than almost anywhere in the natural North American landscape.

I can recall the comments of an Australian fire official visiting California years ago and seeing the widespread plantings of Eucalyptus trees and other Australian fire-prone vegetation in Californian residential areas - he was trying to be polite, but basically calling the scene idiotic.
 
well since i've been defanged, i just mention some sociological shit and be on my way

vmp of fire dept. meet neighborhood council
marge to be exact

you wanna do what???

the laws have to be adhered to the letter
all have to cooperate
if process is cumbersome, offer streamlined alternative

uhh what?
whats that smokey?
you wanna set up internment camps...?.
 
Yeah, crazy fires; I'm smack dab in the middle of it. My favorite castle burned down in Malibu. :( Thank goodness Pepperdine didn't. Dang, and these areas literally look like a warzone. You'd have six or so big rigs all overturned in the streets together from the wind or smashed by a boulder, then a purplish brown dark sky with a red sun and homes burning and flames and ash everywhere. No electricity is a minor inconvenience.

- N
 
my previous domicile, a homestead in placerita cyn had an extensive sprinkler system...on the roof

dear old pops

/sob
 
iceaura said:
In the US, natural burn programs for fuel load reduction are promoted by the environmentalists, and opposed by corporate interests and owners of scenic estates. The extreme environmentalists would have been burning the canyons and landscapes of SoCal on a schedule, to imitate the natural fire regime - but the kinds of people who own fancy houses in the woods wouldn't have it.

There was an interview on the radio this morning with a guy who was fighting a fire near his brother's house, and had saved it. His own house was nearby, but it was pretty safe - because he had cleared the brush on his property. There is nothing stopping some Californians, at least, from clearing the brush and fuel load from their own yards and neighborhoods. They just don't do it.
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Here in lies a major issue. Laziness and the people who own the houses overlooking the hills covered in vegetation do not want to have scheduled burn offs since it will ruin their views (after all, can't have a mansion overlooking burnt out undergrowth at any time) and they simply do not bother to clear out their properties as well. You have one group saying to burn off and another group saying no. The result is what you are now experiencing.

The environmental groups who are protesting against fuel reduction in forested areas because of the wildlife now face the even worse situation of all wildlife being virtually eradicated in a firestorm. Controlled burn offs, as advocated by the opposing environmentalists who understand the dangers and need of ridding the excessive fuel in the underbrush, are done in smaller areas and would, at the end of the day, have a lesser impact on the native wildlife.

The issue is a bit different in Australia, because essentially the whole landscape has been regularly and deliberately burned by people for more than 20,000 years. The whole place is fire adapted to a greater degree than almost anywhere in the natural North American landscape.
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Yes it is. But we had a situation where controlled burning was banned, which led to an explosion in combustion fuel building up in forested areas, as well as former timber plantations. When it went up, it went up big and there was absolutely no way to control it (Canberra experienced this first hand). For the most part, most Australians who live near bushland do get into the habit of clearing out their gutters and ensuring the fuel load on their own properties is kept to a minimum, but some do not and when you have those and state land that has become a virtual fire keg, when it does light up, it quickly goes out of control.
 
sandy said:
They're letting prisoners out to help fight the fires.
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You pretty much have no choice at the moment. The only thing that will save you is an abatement in the winds and rain. You basically need as many people helping to clear the land in the fire path in the hope it will lessen its impact and might help in slowing them down.
 
as the most preeminent rep of the cali inmate defense caucus, sciforums chapter, i hereby file a motion to return my brothers to their cells immediately on the grounds that it violates the principles of cups.
class action lawsuit baby
 
All of us in California have been holding our breath this year because of the dry conditions. I was sure there would be a catastrophic fire this last summer, but as Fall began, and we had several storms up here, the danger seemed to fade. But southern California hasn't had any storms this Fall, and I forgot about the Santa Ana winds.

Between fires, floods, and earthquakes, there really are no safe places to build in California. But some places are more unsafe than others.
 
Repo Man said:
Between fires, floods, and earthquakes, there really are no safe places to build in California. But some places are more unsafe than others.
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But people still want to be here, for some reason!

Most of us at MCB Camp Pendleton have been mobilized to help with personnel evac and lend the firefighters a hand. The Navy has sent a lot of personnel from 32nd Street too. I'm home for four hours and then back to Del Mar for what looks to be well through the night. This fucking sucks.
 
Why is no one crying and whinning at the government to do something in California like they did in New Orleans? Is it just because the NO were mostly blacks, while those Californians affected are mostly whites? ...and the news media has nothing on which to hang it's sensationalist stories?

Baron Max
 
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