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Oiram said:
Be thankful there are naive people around because it helps you keep your “Smarter than you, better than you” attitude.
I could
probably care less about that, but I hardly need Sciforums to remind me of human frailty. The real world suffices.
Did I mention anything or insinuate anything about a fantasy world where everything was pure and simple is so please point that out to me
This sort of stupid appeal to what you did not say explicitly doesn't make you sound smart. The problem is that these propositions are raised in a conceptual vacuum. The failure of your post to consider any of the problems—societal, personal, or interpersonal—associated with prostitution renders it nearly farcical.
Stupid reasons, actually. Delusions of moral turpitude are near the heart of the prohibition. And there are also legitimate questions of human decency to be considered.
I agree it’s a taboo but why do you say it’s born out of jealousy, is it because people who condemn it secretly desire it in some form or fashion, and since they can’t have it they are jealous?
Yes, it's a notion lost in the prior century, but sexual contact between people used to have greater significance than mere orgasm. That significance is greatly reduced—as well as the psychological investments contributing to that significance—if an act of love and trust becomes just another market commodity.
People generally used to attach much symbolism and commitment to sexual congress. It has always been problematic in their eyes when the magnitude of that symbolism and commitment is undermined by such casual regard. What trust is shown in giving over what can easily be bought?
It's easy enough to use women as the example, since they are the ones taking the biggest risks in sexual intercourse. To be convinced to give that degree of trust to another human being who views that act of faith as extraneous to a mere commercial transaction? To the one, no wonder they're offended. To the other, my society, at least, still suffers a few vital hang-ups about sex.
But men are not exempt in this. Plenty of men resent the idea that their female sex partner might seek satisfaction elsewhere.
Well to be treated badly is just part of the job to some limit.
And therein lies the problem. Considering the majority of customers are men, and looking over men's roles in sexual relationships throughout history, the general statement that we are more callous and shallow about sex is fair.
In that context, it seems too much to ask to treat a prostitute with the same respect we would expect in other commercial transactions.
I would guess because if you are a prostitute whose job it is to sexually satisfy someone else, and that person who is searching for a prostitute desires to engage in some sort of dominate or degrading behavior to reach their gratification then I think this would fall under a work condition.
Being called a bitch or a skank while having your ass pounded is one thing. But it's something else entirely to be beaten or otherwise abused. I would think even you could understand the difference.
The prostitute is always able to say no. A prostitute should be able to clearly tell their john their limits and acceptable behaviors.
That's not always true. We had a judge up here in Washington state a couple years ago who ruled that a prostitute cannot be raped.
Even setting that bizarre incident aside, current attitudes suggest that it doesn't matter what terms are established beforehand. If a client violates those terms, he likely won't be prosecuted for rape.
Just because she opens her mouth doesn't mean you can put it between her legs. Just because she opens her legs doesn't mean you can put it up her ass. Just because she lets you put it inside her doesn't mean you can beat or strangle her within an inch of her life.
But given the fact that they're
prostitutes? It requires some sort of scandal or public pressure—e.g., once the situation is already out of control and the victims are stacking up—to get anything remotely resembling proper justice.
Maybe they don’t like to be thought of that way but I have known many people that don’t use the title of prostitute but their actions are identical to the definition in any dictionary.
Your dictionary? Such general claims are ineffective; there are feminists,after all, who would call marriage prostitution.
I see your point on the last part of this, about no interpersonal or spiritual significance but some people just like to have the sexual pleasure without that attachment of such things.
And they can find each other relatively easily. At least, relative to, say, twenty years ago. And even then it wasn't particularly uncommon.
I mean if I bought a woman a new car for her time with me in the sack it would be the same as paying her money and although it might be devaluating her or myself if it was agreed upon and accepted by both parties there is nothing wrong with it IMO.
Most people find some other paltry justification for such gifts. Usually it has something to do with this crazy little thing called love.
But, yes, if authorities found out you were paying gifts instead of cash for sex, it would still be considered prostitution in most American jurisdictions.
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Baron Max said:
Go back to the beginning and check it out ...you'll see that we've been talking about the same fuckin' topics for umpty-eleven years ...over and over and fuckin' over!
To view it practically, most people just don't follow what's going on around here that closely. They might post a thread and not know that it was recently discussed.
To look at it more cynically, we do see a strange phenomenon where people like to rehash old subjects in new discussions in order to avoid the counterpoints to their argument that are already on the record. For them, it's too much to ask that they should be familiar with the subject in general. They just want to feel smart and demand people go through it all again. It's a way of staving off ideological progress. Think of it like reading: if someone needs to be taught the alphabet every time they sit down to read, they're never going to do the actual reading.