Science already knows the magic of gravity

[Dywyddyr]

I asked dy for a answer, put science on the spot again, so it resorts back to deflection to me away from the answer I asked for.

Um, you got an answer from rpenner.
There was NO deflection - if you bother to check I've only recently logged back in (having been to the hospital for a cancer check up - is THAT "deflection" in your eyes?).

If you have a room filled with nothing but hydrogen then gravity will make that hydrogen denser at the bottom of the room than it does at the top.
Ergo: you are wrong.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

When?

Also you have some unanswered questions put to you:

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Your response to the above post met with universal ridicule since buoyancy was understood as explained by Archimedes' principle for the past 2300 years.
It's a very simple problem in Newtonian dynamics.
Where is the evidence the ocean is pulling down when by your example the bubble starts on the floor where all of the ocean is above it?
Why do people build rockets to go to space when if helium behaves the way you say a balloon would work?
A convex block of wood and/or metal has a volume of 100 cm³ -- what is the criterion for that block to float in pure water? in sea water? Some woods (the cheapest I can name is Verawood) don't float. Lithium, sodium, and potassium all float on water (and vigorously chemically react).

The balloon loses the air from within it when there is less air so we use rocket.

That... explains a lot, actually... not necessarily in a good way.




A "point" is a specific thing:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Geometry/Points,_Lines,_Line_Segments_and_Rays

Point
A point is an exact location in space. A point is denoted by a dot. A point has no size. A point is always has a capital letter.

It is a mathematical absolute. There is no "it depends" with them... they are absolute.

A star is a dot in space, relative to distance.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

Um, you got an answer from rpenner.
There was NO deflection - if you bother to check I've only recently logged back in (having been to the hospital for a cancer check up - is THAT "deflection" in your eyes?).

If you have a room filled with nothing but hydrogen then gravity will make that hydrogen denser at the bottom of the room than it does at the top.
Ergo: you are wrong.

I am sorry to here that Dy and sincerely hope you are ok,

I would say the Hydrogen will bounce up and down in the room?

 

[Kittamaru]

The balloon loses the air from within it when there is less air so we use rocket.

This statement is so factually wrong that I'm not even sure where to begin correcting it...

You understand density, volume, and pressure, right?
Take a balloon that is 5 inches across, filled with normal air from your lungs.
Put that balloon in an airtight chamber and remove enough air to reduce it to one half atmospheric pressure.
What happens tot he balloons size?

A star is a dot in space, relative to distance.

No, a star is not a dot in space... they are much, much larger than that.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

... citation, now.

No, I'm immensely serious about this - where did you get that idea from... because it is so wrong that it isn't even funny...

http://www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.html



There was no "huge star bigger than our sun" - there was, in essence, everything condensed down to a single point, infinitesimally small. Essentially, a gravitational singularity



Centripetal pressure has nothing to do with it... nor does it 'implode' - it is a merger of gravity. Centripetal force would PREVENT objects from falling into a black hole - in essence, they overcome this and centrifugal force and collapse in on themselves.

In reality, it is that the energy a star is outputting (via nuclear fusion) ends up being LESS than the energy required to stop its mass from collapsing inward.

How does science honestly know there was a nothing before the big bang?

 

[theorist-constant12345]

This statement is so factually wrong that I'm not even sure where to begin correcting it...

You understand density, volume, and pressure, right?
Take a balloon that is 5 inches across, filled with normal air from your lungs.
Put that balloon in an airtight chamber and remove enough air to reduce it to one half atmospheric pressure.
What happens tot he balloons size?



No, a star is not a dot in space... they are much, much larger than that.

It is perspective, a distance star is a dot in space compared to our sun.

The balloon shrinks

 

[Dywyddyr]

I would say the Hydrogen will bounce up and down in the room?

What?
Why would it? (Any more than any other gas).

 

[rpenner]

Really? Out of all those links to read and all those questions you answered only one?

Why do people build rockets to go to space when if helium behaves the way you say a balloon would work?

The balloon loses the air from within it when there is less air so we use rocket.

That's an argument for a better balloon, not a rocket.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

What?
Why would it? (Any more than any other gas).

It would because the density of gasses of the lower level will charge the hydrogen allowing it to rise, where it loses energy to the ceiling and then falls again.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

Really? Out of all those links to read and all those questions you answered only one?


That's an argument for a better balloon, not a rocket.

A lifter is a better argument for a new rocket.

 

[origin]

Does the Helium sink in a C02 filled room?

More energy loss than gain,

No, a helium balloon would float to the ceiling in a room filled with CO2. A balloon filled with air would also float to the ceiling in a room filled with CO2. So obvioulsy air doesn't become anti-gravitational because it is in a room of CO2. What do you think is causing the balloon of air to float?

 

[theorist-constant12345]

No, a helium balloon would float to the ceiling in a room filled with CO2. A balloon filled with air would also float to the ceiling in a room filled with CO2. So obvioulsy air doesn't become anti-gravitational because it is in a room of CO2. What do you think is causing the balloon of air to float?

The CO2 is denser, gravity has a better grip, the Co2 exchange rate to gravity is always greater than natural energy intake, The air has a greater energy intake than out take to gravity so also steals energy from the Co2,

It becomes simpler to visualise if you consider the Earths core as a plus output always, and all matter surrounding the core is a plus and negative at the same time, and the sun is a plus output.

All the plus and negative matter is attracted to the nearest plus by having a greater negative than a positive,

 

[Dywyddyr]

It would because the density of gasses of the lower level will charge the hydrogen

What?
What "charge"?

allowing it to rise, where it loses energy to the ceiling and then falls again.

Absolute bollocks.

And I note that you have failed, completely, to acknowledge that my examples shows that hydrogen is affected by gravity and is not "anti-gravity".

 

[Kittamaru]

The CO2 is denser, gravity has a better grip, the Co2 exchange rate to gravity is always greater than natural energy intake, The air has a greater energy intake than out take to gravity so also steals energy from the Co2,

This sentence means absolutely nothing... gravity has a better grip? Grip on what? How does gravity have "grip"? What exchange rate? You are, literally, just throwing scientific terms into this sentence to make it sound good... but it literally means nothing.

It becomes simpler to visualise if you consider the Earths core as a plus output always, and all matter surrounding the core is a plus and negative at the same time, and the sun is a plus output.

All the plus and negative matter is attracted to the nearest plus by having a greater negative than a positive,

This... is not how gravity works at all... not even close.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

What?
What "charge"?


Absolute bollocks.

And I note that you have failed, completely, to acknowledge that my examples shows that hydrogen is affected by gravity and is not "anti-gravity".

I did say I was unsure about hydrogen, you have not yet the questions to show Helium which you said you could prove gravity affects it.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

This sentence means absolutely nothing... gravity has a better grip? Grip on what? How does gravity have "grip"? What exchange rate? You are, literally, just throwing scientific terms into this sentence to make it sound good... but it literally means nothing.



This... is not how gravity works at all... not even close.

We are talking mechanism , a difference to how gravity works,

What does grip normally mean? applying a force to hold it in place.

A grip on the Co2.

The exchange rate of polarity of energy making an object more negative than plus.


I did say it was complex and without mentioning any sort of maths, it is very difficult to explain in words alone.

 

[Kittamaru]

We are talking mechanism , a difference to how gravity works,

What does grip normally mean? applying a force to hold it in place.

A grip on the Co2.

The exchange rate of polarity of energy making an object more negative than plus.


I did say it was complex and without mentioning any sort of maths, it is very difficult to explain in words alone.

The reason it is difficult to explain is because it is wrong, TC. There is no "exchange rate of polarity"... that phrase doesn't even make sense.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

The reason it is difficult to explain is because it is wrong, TC. There is no "exchange rate of polarity"... that phrase doesn't even make sense.

It is hard to explain, I need to explain the maths to show what I mean.

Can I get away with representation maths such has (a) and (b) would equal (c) ?

 

[Dywyddyr]

you have not yet the questions to show Helium which you said you could prove gravity affects it.

My bad.
Re-read what I wrote about a room full of hydrogen and substitute "helium" wherever I wrote "hydrogen".

 

[theorist-constant12345]

I will try it a different way and take it to an atomic scale.

We have two atoms, one inch apart in a void.

The electron from either atom is attracted to either proton, the proton of either atom is attracted to either electron, the combination of the two is an equilibrium of force that can be changed by either of the atoms work. If both atoms protons were to become charged, the atoms would try to repel each other.