Science already knows the magic of gravity

[theorist-constant12345]

Nothing whatsoever to do with what's under discussion.


Why do you think this?
What evidence is there for this conclusion?


In other you haven't got a clue and are resorting to bullshit.

I note that you haven't bothered AT ALL to adress a number of questions and points raised.

if that were true then the graviton would have to be a plus and negative

Why do you think this?
What evidence is there for this conclusion?

My conclusion of this is because of air rises by change of its energy state, an opposite action to falling, the work done by air represents every action has an equal and opposite reaction, adding energy causes rise, lesser energy causes air to fall representing + Newtons or - Newtons by adding energy to air or removing energy from air.
A said graviton would have to explain the action of Helium and Hydrogen having an opposite reaction to gravity.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

Do you understand how buoyancy works?

Yes I understand the present version of how buoyancy is said to work.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

Gases obey the ideal gas law fairly closely when heated. Metal does not. Therefore they behave differently.

No, it wouldn't have to be a plus and a negative.

see dy reply.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

Correct.

Incorrect. If your balloon was "full" of a hard vacuum it would work even better.

If both balloons are showing a WEIGHT of 1kg, neither will rise.

Incorrect. If you had a rigid envelope for your balloon, and you heated the air inside and did not allow it to expand, it would not float.

Experiments such as the ones described above would prove you wrong.

No, the greater weight of the cool air around the balloon provides the lighter balloon with buoyancy. It's the same reason that boats float.

Huh?


''If both balloons are showing a WEIGHT of 1kg, neither will rise.''

If both balloons are each on a set of scales weighing in at 1 kg mass each. When the energy is added to one balloon, it will rise releasing the newtons of force on the scales decreasing the 1 kg mass weight to an eventual zero mass recorded.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

TC... you are doing it again...

That thing where you use larger words... and in this case use them incorrectly...

Just... just stop. What are you trying to say - follow the KISS method

Kiss method ? I will look it up

 

[Dywyddyr]

if that were true then the graviton would have to be a plus and negative

No.

My conclusion of this is because of air rises by change of its energy state

Your conclusion is wrong - as illustrated by Billvon's example.

the work done by air represents every action has an equal and opposite reaction

Wrong.

adding energy causes rise, lesser energy causes air to fall representing + Newtons or - Newtons by adding energy to air or removing energy from air.

Wrong.

A said graviton would have to explain the action of Helium and Hydrogen having an opposite reaction to gravity.

No it wouldn't.
Hydrogen and helium don't have an "opposite reaction to gravity".

when the energy is added to one balloon, it will rise

No.

releasing the newtons of force on the scales decreasing the 1 kg mass weight to an eventual zero mass recorded.

Still don't know the difference between mass and weight do you?

Yes I understand the present version of how buoyancy is said to work.

Evidently you don't.
Otherwise you wouldn't persist with this bollocks.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

I will try an analogy

I have a bucket of water that contains 10 ltrs of water exactly , in my bucket I have a small hole that is leaking 1 ltr of water per hour, but my water needs to remain at 10 ltrs, I add a pipe from the tap and set a trickle of water that trickles at 1 ltr an hour into the bucket. My water remains at 10 ltr.

I see matter, does this but by energies.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

No.


Your conclusion is wrong - as illustrated by Billvon's example.


Wrong.


Wrong.


No it wouldn't.
Hydrogen and helium don't have an "opposite reaction to gravity".


No.


Still don't know the difference between mass and weight do you?


Evidently you don't.
Otherwise you wouldn't persist with this bollocks.

You are saying Helium and Hydrogen do not rise?

 

[Dywyddyr]

You are saying Helium and Hydrogen do not rise?

Dear god.
That is NOT what I'm saying.
You claimed to understand buoyancy and yet you manage to make such ridiculous claims as "Helium and Hydrogen having an opposite reaction to gravity".

I see matter, does this but by energies.

No.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

Dear god.
That is NOT what I'm saying.
You claimed to understand buoyancy and yet you manage to make such ridiculous claims as "Helium and Hydrogen having an opposite reaction to gravity".


No.

Helium rises, Hydrogen rises, I release Helium and Hydrogen on a deep ocean floor, enough weight and pressure to crush a submarine, the Helium and Hydrogen rise although they are under a huge amount of weight, what force allows the Helium and Hydrogen to rise?

 

[rpenner]

The force of gravity causing the rest of the ocean to fall down under the bubble of gas.

 

[origin]

Helium rises, Hydrogen rises, I release Helium and Hydrogen on a deep ocean floor, enough weight and pressure to crush a submarine, the Helium and Hydrogen rise although they are under a huge amount of weight, what force allows the Helium and Hydrogen to rise?

I thought you understood boyancy.
By the way have I mentioned that it is obvious that you are just a troll?

 

[Dywyddyr]

Helium rises, Hydrogen rises, I release Helium and Hydrogen on a deep ocean floor, enough weight and pressure to crush a submarine, the Helium and Hydrogen rise although they are under a huge amount of weight, what force allows the Helium and Hydrogen to rise?

So you you were lying when you said you understood buoyancy.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

The force of gravity causing the rest of the ocean to fall down under the bubble of gas.

Well that answer does not sound convincing, the ocean is pulling down should hold it down, the answer to helium from my view is that it is opposed to gravity so rises.
In my opinion in Buoyancy the water does not push upwards, the boat pushes downwards , the same direction as the water is pushing, the ocean applies a force on the ocean bed and does not apply a force on the atmosphere.

 

[Dywyddyr]

Well that answer does not sound convincing, the ocean is pulling down should hold it down, the answer to helium from my view is that it is opposed to gravity so rises.
In my opinion in Buoyancy the water does not push upwards, the boat pushes downwards , the same direction as the water is pushing, the ocean applies a force on the ocean bed and does not apply a force on the atmosphere.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

The water sits on the ocean floor, the boat sits on the ocean, the air is less dense than the ocean so sits on the boat an the ocean,

The same has the ground is dense, so we sit on the ground and do not fall through.

 

[Dywyddyr]

The water sits on the ocean floor, the boat sits on the ocean, the air is less dense than the ocean so sits on the boat an the ocean

I.e. buoyancy.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

I.e. buoyancy.

yes , but there is a reason a boat floats by the pressure of the water that is being displaced by the boat ,forcing the boat upwards to stop it sinking, a raft is the spreading of the mass so the spread stops the raft sinking.

A boat does not float, it is pressured to stop falling.

 

[Dywyddyr]

yes , but there is a reason a boat floats by the pressure of the water that is being displaced by the boat

Yes, it's called buoyancy.

forcing the boat upwards to stop it sinking, a raft is the spreading of the mass so the spread stops the raft sinking.

I.e. buoyancy.

A boat does not float, it is pressured to stop falling.

What's the difference?
Oh ... none.

 

[theorist-constant12345]

Yes, it's called buoyancy.


I.e. buoyancy.


What's the difference?
Oh ... none.

The boat is always sinking, it does not float, the hull of the boat is always under pressure from the water from the sides that the boat is enclosed in.

Make a v-shape with your hands together like a boats hull, imagine a boats hull in your hands and you apply crushing pressure, the boat will rise in your hands.